Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Everton, Tottenham and Aston Villa are not little clubs. And yet some people are predicting we will get higher average attendances than them!
B52 Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 And yet some people are predicting we will get higher average attendances than them! I predict we can get similar attendances like them. Around 35.000 average....
wellyfox Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Everton, Tottenham and Aston Villa are not little clubs. And i was taking the piss :crylaugh:
Fox92 Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 And i was taking the piss :crylaugh: Didn't realise. I can't tell if someone is having a laugh or not over an internet page.
Fmfox Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 if we were top half of the prem regularly then maybe we would get 35-37k against other top half teams but probably not 40k a week
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 I think people are missing the point that if we got promoted we wouldn't have to fill the stadium every week. At the minute we have been getting around 22/23k in a 32k stadium, so that's just over two-thirds of capacity. If the capacity was 45k we'd need to get 30k to hit the two-thirds mark. That's only another 7/8k on top of what we get at the minute, add in the people that will jump on the bandwagon on the back of promotion (season ticket sales will certainly increase - look at Derby and Blackpool's increase when they went up and there are others who will only have a season ticket if we're in the Prem), the consistently bigger away followings and the people who pop down just to see a Premiership game and that's easily achievable if not beatable. The expansion will come into it's own for games against United, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea, because I think it's conceivable that we could sell-out for those games, and then any other important/significant games over the course of the season (a relegation six-pointer, Boxing Day, first game of the season etc) will attract more than usual. Add in a good cup draw and you'd be making more money than you would from a sell-out at 32k, particularly considering we'd have to give the away team 10% of capacity. All in all, over time, and with a few sell-outs a season in which we'd be making 12/13,000 x £25+ more each time, the expansion would pay for itself. Surely it's better to have the seats to fill when needed than to have people left wanting a ticket but not being able to go because of a sell-out. The atmosphere argument is therefore also null and void because the same percentage of the stadium would be as full as it was for the game against Derby and there were no problems there. If they really wanted to the club could keep one stand/section closed for the games that wouldn't attract many people, keeping people closer together. I've never looked at the upper tier of the East Stand at Elland Road and thought 'what a shame that all of those empty seats are ruining the atmosphere'. Top & co - get it done! This
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 if we were top half of the prem regularly then maybe we would get 35-37k against other top half teams but probably not 40k a week See I just dont ever see is gaining a bigger following than sides like Villa and Everton, think its impossible. We are heading on near 1 in 6 people in the county attending for some of these attendance attempts. I think that's impossible unless some wonderful Bayern Munich style pricing struture is planned.
m00nie Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 I think people are missing the point that if we got promoted we wouldn't have to fill the stadium every week. At the minute we have been getting around 22/23k in a 32k stadium, so that's just over two-thirds of capacity. If the capacity was 45k we'd need to get 30k to hit the two-thirds mark. That's only another 7/8k on top of what we get at the minute, add in the people that will jump on the bandwagon on the back of promotion (season ticket sales will certainly increase - look at Derby and Blackpool's increase when they went up and there are others who will only have a season ticket if we're in the Prem), the consistently bigger away followings and the people who pop down just to see a Premiership game and that's easily achievable if not beatable. The expansion will come into it's own for games against United, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea, because I think it's conceivable that we could sell-out for those games, and then any other important/significant games over the course of the season (a relegation six-pointer, Boxing Day, first game of the season etc) will attract more than usual. Add in a good cup draw and you'd be making more money than you would from a sell-out at 32k, particularly considering we'd have to give the away team 10% of capacity. All in all, over time, and with a few sell-outs a season in which we'd be making 12/13,000 x £25+ more each time, the expansion would pay for itself. Surely it's better to have the seats to fill when needed than to have people left wanting a ticket but not being able to go because of a sell-out. The atmosphere argument is therefore also null and void because the same percentage of the stadium would be as full as it was for the game against Derby and there were no problems there. If they really wanted to the club could keep one stand/section closed for the games that wouldn't attract many people, keeping people closer together. I've never looked at the upper tier of the East Stand at Elland Road and thought 'what a shame that all of those empty seats are ruining the atmosphere'. Top & co - get it done! if your saying we need another 7/8k then we could cope with that without spending a penny and just sell out the ground.. if you really think we will sell out @ 45k i think your dreaming myself.. especially as prices will increase also..
wellyfox Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 See I just dont ever see is gaining a bigger following than sides like Villa and Everton, think its impossible. We are heading on near 1 in 6 people in the county attending for some of these attendance attempts. I think that's impossible unless some wonderful Bayern Munich style pricing struture is planned. Am not saying we could do 40k but 1 in 6 in the county to turn up. I think you will find is a lot less than 1 in 6 unless you think we only have 240k living in the county. Would think you would have that number in and around loughboro/coalville.
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Am not saying we could do 40k but 1 in 6 in the county to turn up. I think you will find is a lot less than 1 in 6 unless you think we only have 240k living in the county. Would think you would have that number in and around loughboro/coalville. I was thinking surrounding areas of Leicester, Not many will come across from L'Boro and Coaville.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 if your saying we need another 7/8k then we could cope with that without spending a penny and just sell out the ground.. if you really think we will sell out @ 45k i think your dreaming myself.. especially as prices will increase also.. Read it again mate. I'm saying we'd only need another 7/8k on top of our current average of 22/23k (approx) in a 45k seater stadium to be filling it to the same extent that we are filling the KP (i.e. two-thirds full). I think that in the Prem we could easily make this 7/8k up from more season ticket sales (ala Blackpool and Derby), the people that will come to watch Premiership football and consistently larger away contingents. I acknowledged that we could fit this extra 7/8k into the KP and sell it out but was also making the point that I think for some matches the demand would be greater than 32k (Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U etc) and if we were to extend the ground for every game of this sort, each ticket over the 32k that we sell we would be making money back on the ground expansion. With these owners we're not in a situation whereby spending a little money on an expansion is going to be to the detriment of other areas of investment. With the Thais financial backing we can expand now and add value to the stadium, and that investment will pay for itself within 10 years. And I don't think it's a dream to think that for certain fixtures we could push the 40k mark (8k more than the KP could hold). Look at the Man City cup game last season, 32k sell-out for a Sunday match that was televised. Look at the Real Madrid game. Yes, not everyone came to watch Leicester in those fixtures but it will be the same for five Premiership fixtures in particular if we were to go up (Arsenal, Man U, City, Liverpool, Chelsea). Most grounds across the country, no matter how big or how small, see a swell in attendance when those five turn up. Where's the sense in being happy to sell-out the KP when with an expansion you could be fitting more people into the ground?! More people = more money.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 See I just dont ever see is gaining a bigger following than sides like Villa and Everton, think its impossible. We are heading on near 1 in 6 people in the county attending for some of these attendance attempts. I think that's impossible unless some wonderful Bayern Munich style pricing struture is planned. It's not neccessarily about our following. Against Manchester United at an extended ground 40,000 could turn up comprised of 4,000 in the away end, 30,000 LCFC fans and 6,000 made up of neutrals who want to see a big team or Man U fans from the local area. Say we get an extra 7,500 people in the ground at £25 a ticket (quite conservative given current prices) for the matches against the five biggest teams in the country that's an additional £937,500 on the gate receipts for that season (7,500 x 25 = 187,500 and 187,500 x 5 = 937,500). Over 5-10 years the expansion would pay for itself.
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 It's not neccessarily about our following. Against Manchester United at an extended ground 40,000 could turn up comprised of 4,000 in the away end, 30,000 LCFC fans and 6,000 made up of neutrals who want to see a big team or Man U fans from the local area. Say we get an extra 7,500 people in the ground at £25 a ticket (quite conservative given current prices) for the matches against the five biggest teams in the country that's an additional £937,500 on the gate receipts for that season (7,500 x 25 = 187,500 and 187,500 x 5 = 937,500). Over 5-10 years the expansion would pay for itself. Think I would rather keep it at 32,000 and have that full of Leicester fans to be honest, its not all about money for me, I'd rather see an atmosphere like the Forest 3-0 at home than shift in 8,000 neutrals to dilute the atmosphere even further.
wellyfox Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 I was thinking surrounding areas of Leicester, Not many will come across from L'Boro and Coaville. What I am saying is if you think to get 40k we would need 1 in 6 in the county to turn up you are way wrong. 1 in 6 makes 240k live in the county. I think you will find it is more like 2mill live in Leicestershire. If we could get 1 in 6 into the KP we would need to move wembley.
Len Finsbury Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 So, we currently have: An ex-England manager and one of the most well-known football faces in the world. The most expensively assembled Leicester team in our history. Owners who aren't afraid to spend money. Not to mention an unbeaten run of what? 7 or 8 games. And yet we still can't fill the stadium we have. It'd be wonderful to have a 40k stadium but only if it's full. It must be frustrating as a Sheffield Wednesday fan to have a row for every fan, rather than a seat.
Kitchandro Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 We're nearer to Coventry than Man City, club sizewise as well as geographically. The sooner people realise that, the better. This investment may not last forever. Derby, Wolves and Blackburn have all had significant investment over the past twenty years and despite short term success, they haven't really built on it. We have bigger fanbases than those 3
Kitchandro Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 if your saying we need another 7/8k then we could cope with that without spending a penny and just sell out the ground.. if you really think we will sell out @ 45k i think your dreaming myself.. especially as prices will increase also.. The stadium wouldn't be 45K, some say 42K and other sources say just under 40K. This is about the size of Villa and Everton's grounds. They both got around 30K for their games against Wigan. That is about the same as what we would have got in the relegation season. Now I just ask does anyone complain about Villa or Everton's attendances or atmosphere? also bare in mind, Villa and Everton are big clubs because of their top flight longevity and winning trophies, not because of their massive fanbase. They are not lightyears ahead in terms of fanbase, definitely ahead, but not by a long way like Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd or even Leeds are. Also remember that both of these clubs are not terribly successful at the moment. What's counted as 'success' by the relative clubs will make a difference to attendances. We have never won the league or FA Cup like Everton and Villa so the true potential of our fanbase may not have yet been realised. In fact if you look at our crowds compared with other clubs we have actually underachieved throughout our history by not winning anything 'major'. Also, as I've said, that it's all relative. If, hypothetically, ticket prices were all £10 each we'd definitely sell-out 40K most weeks. This will never happen but the point is fans can be attracted in a number of ways. It's not as black and white as 'we only get 22K in the Championship so there's no way we could sell-out 40K'. There are plenty of variables. I'm not saying we would be close to selling out every week, I'm saying it's a possibility because we have a big population and dependant on success the mood around the City could make a big difference.
Len Finsbury Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 We have bigger fanbases than those 3 Do we? On a consistent basis or for one off Wembley games? If you have any statistics, I'm open to be convinced.
Kitchandro Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Do we? On a consistent basis or for one off Wembley games? If you have any statistics, I'm open to be convinced. Blackburn got 22K against Arsenal, enough said. Derby - look at their away following. The free season tickets is the only reason they get reasonable home attendances. Wolves got 25K (Spurs), 24K (QPR) and 26K (Newcastle) for their last 3 home games. Wolves might be comparable to us if they were doing well but Derby and Blackburn, no chance.
Kitchandro Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 So, we currently have: An ex-England manager and one of the most well-known football faces in the world. The most expensively assembled Leicester team in our history. Owners who aren't afraid to spend money. Not to mention an unbeaten run of what? 7 or 8 games. And yet we still can't fill the stadium we have. It'd be wonderful to have a 40k stadium but only if it's full. It must be frustrating as a Sheffield Wednesday fan to have a row for every fan, rather than a seat. We're also still in the Championship and lost our first 2 home games to Reading and Bristol City. And despite being unbeaten we haven't won that many, and we're only 8th. And as I've said, ticket prices are a joke. These are major factors you leave out. And as expensively assembled as it is, we have been playing very boring football on the whole, the Derby and Brighton games being an exception (and hopefully the start of things to come).
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Blackburns attendances are quite remarkable considering they are only a town of 80,000 people.
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 What I am saying is if you think to get 40k we would need 1 in 6 in the county to turn up you are way wrong. 1 in 6 makes 240k live in the county. I think you will find it is more like 2mill live in Leicestershire. If we could get 1 in 6 into the KP we would need to move wembley. 2million? You sure about that?
Kitchandro Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Think I would rather keep it at 32,000 and have that full of Leicester fans to be honest, its not all about money for me, I'd rather see an atmosphere like the Forest 3-0 at home than shift in 8,000 neutrals to dilute the atmosphere even further. I agree, but I think you're forgetting that most of the stadium doesn't create an atmosphere anyway, it's only have the East Stand, about 10 15 year olds in the family stand, 25 Fosse Boys, and about 50 in the Kop that try to make any noise. I doubt it would get 'diluted' as such because I expect those singers would just stay put (if they aren't priced out). Blackburns attendances are quite remarkable considering they are only a town of 80,000 people. That's not the point, they don't have a fanbase as big as ours, whatever the reason.
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 Bit our fanbase isn't that much bigger is it? Like the earlier poster says we have spent a fortune, have an ex England manager and we still are pulling in less than 25,000 comfortably. We have a massive emigration rate in Leicester as well which doesn't help, I know at least ten people used to be regulars that now live out the country, we have lost a lot of regulars that way over last ten years.
acooling08 Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 This all routes back to racism at football We have a huge asian community but a see very few coloured faces at football. Maybe they don't feel welcome. We'd get 27k+ a game if our minorites went to games.
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