panky and our gang Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 The thing is those stats do not take into consideration today's ticket prices which have ballooned out of all proportion to ordinary peoples earnings . And make no mistake if we do go up they will rise yet again . Football in general has behaved like Nero fiddling while Rome burned and are now experiencing customer resistance . Just watch match of the day and look at rows of empty seats in most of the prem grounds . We need to show we can fill our stadium at Premiership level before we even think about extending the capacity . Ambition is one thing reality is quite another .
Kitchandro Posted 5 October 2011 Posted 5 October 2011 I don't neccesarily agree, because perhaps certain sections would be closed to ticket sales until demand was such that it was needed, maybe? For example, if there were 2 tiers in the east stand, they would fill the lower tier first. It'd make sense for many reasons, not least that it'd save staffing the upper section. We'll probably start giving what is now the family stand to away support instead of just the corner too, so allocations will be more like 6,000 than 3,000. Well I'd hope not the whole thing, giving them a whole end would be of a disadvantage to us, also don't we only have to give them 10%? In which case it would be like 4,000.
Fox92 Posted 6 October 2011 Posted 6 October 2011 The thing is those stats do not take into consideration today's ticket prices which have ballooned out of all proportion to ordinary peoples earnings . And make no mistake if we do go up they will rise yet again . Football in general has behaved like Nero fiddling while Rome burned and are now experiencing customer resistance . Just watch match of the day and look at rows of empty seats in most of the prem grounds . We need to show we can fill our stadium at Premiership level before we even think about extending the capacity . Ambition is one thing reality is quite another . This is a true statement. However, you have to think that the opposition will be better. Currently, sometimes people are missing games at like, say £30.00, because the price doesn't represent the quality. But can you really see people missing games against the likes of Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea? etc. I generally do think people may consider the football, and prices more, because of the quality of opposion and prices. This can apply for both home and away games as well. A previous post highighted that our average attendence in the Premier League in 2003/04 at the Walkers was around the 30,000 mark, which is nearly a full stadium. I know prices were not as high then, but, people will pay to see the quality in my opinion - I'd like to see the 03/04 figures compared to the 02/03 season which was the first year at the Walkers, and we were in the Championship. I do think that, as you said, if we were promoted it would be a good idea to see if we can fill the ground first before going ahead with the increase in capacity though. Most Premier League teams will bring double the away support anyway, if allowed, so the owners may feel they want to increase the away end as well to allow more away fans in to increase attendences? I'm not sure, but as you said, it would be good to see the ground full first which would be something to build on, especially if we were to establish ourselves as a Premier League club again.
davieG Posted 6 October 2011 Posted 6 October 2011 Well I'm pretty sure Top and Co wont build an extension just for their ego, they'll look at it from a business and money making perspective and how they can increase it's use for non football purposes which the CEO is currently doing. People have mentioned concerts which are quite restricted at the moment but if I remember correctly it only need £250k to rectify. Would for instance the extension to the East Stand include more facilities/conference type rooms, hopefully it would improve the space in the concourse for fans. A larger stadium would allow them to operate a much more flexible ticketing system which I believe their current ticketing team are experts at, we've already seen them expand the Just the Ticket Area so it's not beyond the possibility that they'd be able to have similar 'bigger' schemes, more family packages and special deals. It wont just be a case of doubling the number of seats in the East Stand and sitting back to see if a few more people come they will have a strategy to ensure attendances and revenues over all increase
panky and our gang Posted 6 October 2011 Posted 6 October 2011 Good posts Fox 92 and DavieG . It is good to have nice well thought out responses instead of the usual slating . Both your points have made me think again and I have to admit Top and his family no more about business than us , so if they think it's a goer they must have sound business reasons to expand . :thumbup: :thumbup:
Cockney Fox Posted 6 October 2011 Posted 6 October 2011 Whilst I'd hate to be on the recieving end of "Your ground's too big for you" every other week, I've always thought that lowering ticket costs for more bums on seats is a good idea. A bigger stadium would allow us to have a wider number of pricing tiers to suit more pockets. Plus the obvious point that we'd generate a better atmosphere if we could go some way towards filling it. The worrying bit is that I don't think Leicester will ever regularly attract 40k supporters. We're a family club and you need to be in a proper 'working mans' city in order to benefit from that sort of dedication from fans. Don't forget that if we do go up, that also means more exposure on Sky - yet another reason for so called 'arm chair supporters' to stay away.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Whilst I'd hate to be on the recieving end of "Your ground's too big for you" every other week, I've always thought that lowering ticket costs for more bums on seats is a good idea. A bigger stadium would allow us to have a wider number of pricing tiers to suit more pockets. Plus the obvious point that we'd generate a better atmosphere if we could go some way towards filling it. The worrying bit is that I don't think Leicester will ever regularly attract 40k supporters. We're a family club and you need to be in a proper 'working mans' city in order to benefit from that sort of dedication from fans. Don't forget that if we do go up, that also means more exposure on Sky - yet another reason for so called 'arm chair supporters' to stay away. Be worth a try when we get in Prem, expand and im sure we will get a decent average crowd, why lack ambition?
Ashley Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I do want our Ground to be built on, yes so it gets abit of character even though if the second tier(s) do go on it'll probably end up looking like a mini old trafford like I've said before however our main prority is to actually BUY our ground and make it ours!
dog_4 Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 big name arrivals is obviously going to happen too! which will attract bigger crowds! x
Corky Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I'd only go as far as 40k, which we'd struggle to fill every week, probably only for the big games.
Libertine Dream Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I'm amazed at some peoples lack of ambition here. West Ham's principle of having a 60k stadium with cheap ticket prices is the way forward. Cheap tickets encourage people and if cheap enough will come regularly and become part of a growing fanbase. This raises money all round. If you have the owners that then utilise it to try to make you a bigger club. Never say never.
Schlupp Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I'm amazed at some peoples lack of ambition here. West Ham's principle of having a 60k stadium with cheap ticket prices is the way forward. Cheap tickets encourage people and if cheap enough will come regularly and become part of a growing fanbase. This raises money all round. If you have the owners that then utilise it to try to make you a bigger club. Never say never. Couldn't agree more.
Guest MattP Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I'm amazed at some peoples lack of ambition here. West Ham's principle of having a 60k stadium with cheap ticket prices is the way forward. Cheap tickets encourage people and if cheap enough will come regularly and become part of a growing fanbase. This raises money all round. If you have the owners that then utilise it to try to make you a bigger club. Never say never. Why stop there, let's make it 80,000.
Kitchandro Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 The more I think about the more I think the bigger old-fashioned roofs not only look better but make the atmosphere better too. The Britannia is a good example as that is newish but has an old design. This is our one chance to make our stadium impressive and fit for a Premiership club if they go through with it, really hope they get it right.
Kitchandro Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Why stop there, let's make it 80,000. Because that's just silly
Fox1651 Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I do want our Ground to be built on, yes so it gets abit of character even though if the second tier(s) do go on it'll probably end up looking like a mini old trafford like I've said before however our main prority is to actually BUY our ground and make it ours! Fair Point Ashley
Fox1651 Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I'm amazed at some peoples lack of ambition here. West Ham's principle of having a 60k stadium with cheap ticket prices is the way forward. Cheap tickets encourage people and if cheap enough will come regularly and become part of a growing fanbase. This raises money all round. If you have the owners that then utilise it to try to make you a bigger club. Never say never. Yep agreed, dont think 40'000 is beyond us for big games certainly, and if we get back to Prem and have a half decent team with sensible price structure for tickets im sure we could average around 33-34'000 ish
m00nie Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I'm amazed at some peoples lack of ambition here. West Ham's principle of having a 60k stadium with cheap ticket prices is the way forward. Cheap tickets encourage people and if cheap enough will come regularly and become part of a growing fanbase. This raises money all round. If you have the owners that then utilise it to try to make you a bigger club. Never say never. walk before you can run imo..... dont get me wrong id love a big ground with a big crowd but we need to see we can fill 32k regular first.. really dont see cheap tickets happening either, they have already started limiting and changes the deals tehy did, grass roots now minimum 10 tickets, birthday offers being quietly done, and now in just teh ticket areas, memberships moved to cheap section..etc as mentioned earlier they can make as much money with less people at a higher price than more people paying less so whats the incentive.. they would need to pay for the extension, more staffing etc..
Guest MattP Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Serious point here. Why does anything think or have any inclination to think we will adopt a sensible pricing structure when we won't implement one now while we have 8,000-9,000 empty seats every home match? It's ridiculous, it simply isn't going to happen.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Serious point here. Why does anything think or have any inclination to think we will adopt a sensible pricing structure when we won't implement one now while we have 8,000-9,000 empty seats every home match? It's ridiculous, it simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking i guess? But i do honestly think they would have to make at least some areas cheaper or more competetively priced if they increased capacity?
Guest MattP Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Wishful thinking i guess? But i do honestly think they would have to make at least some areas cheaper or more competetively priced if they increased capacity? I don't see any logical reason why they would? If they won't do it now why would they do it with a few extra thousand empty...
Kitchandro Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Serious point here. Why does anything think or have any inclination to think we will adopt a sensible pricing structure when we won't implement one now while we have 8,000-9,000 empty seats every home match? It's ridiculous, it simply isn't going to happen. Well in the Championship they know we won't fill it even with cheap tickets I suppose, so they will make more money with them being expensive. In the Prem though they might think if we get almost double the attendances we are getting now on a regular basis, they will make more money in the long run by attracting more fans with prices that aren't over the top. That's just a theory, not saying that's the case.
Stevosevic Posted 8 October 2011 Posted 8 October 2011 Last time in prem we averaged 30k, we could do more with cheaper tickets.
Guest MattP Posted 8 October 2011 Posted 8 October 2011 Well in the Championship they know we won't fill it even with cheap tickets I suppose, so they will make more money with them being expensive. That's just not true though is it? Look at the pie and pint offer for £20, 29,000 on a friday night V Bristol, the fans fixtures that had 30,000 v Hull. Last time in prem we averaged 30k, we could do more with cheaper tickets. Don't forget the difference of the economic climate from then and now, it's a MASSIVE factor.
panky and our gang Posted 8 October 2011 Posted 8 October 2011 Good posts Fox 92 and DavieG . It is good to have nice well thought out responses instead of the usual slating . Both your points have made me think again and I have to admit Top and his family know more about business than us , so if they think it's a goer they must have sound business reasons to expand . :thumbup: :thumbup:
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