Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Goalkeepers - we need at least one decent one. Bad start - We did, but we had equally bad periods under Sven. Defence - chopped and changed and now mostly going back where they came from. Not enough goals - we've already passed what we did last season by some distance, but not with our own players. Loanees - half the regular team will disappear, do we need some of our own players? Spending - Will Top shell out for permanent players. The sharks have been circling for some time - let the feeding frenzy begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 This pretty much sums things up. Unfortunately 2 of our best 3 players Vitor and Naughton will leave in the summer probably never to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilworthfox Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Essentially we have very good individual players, probably the best in the division, however as a unit we are poor. We concede goals too easily & although we keep the ball very well, we are very non threatening in attack, its a terrible combination. Sven has done a poor job in my opinion. He has spent alot of cash and has not achieved anything in return. Some will say that he saved us from relegation or made us safe, but surely with his track record, wage, and cash he has had to spend (especially in comparison with our 23 rivals) we will end up finishing mid table, it is poor. The football is ok to watch, but it is very frustrating! I think we must be better than Arsenal for being able to play the ball across the 18 yard line, unfortuneately we never ever create from these positions. The only time we are ever dangerous is when Naughton shoots from 20 yards. After Derby, teams figured Leicester out, & Sven never changed our approach. Yakubu has been a massive failure! His lack of effort only rubs our faces in this fact. I think we will look back in 5 years time & look at the players that we had in our side & say how did we not do better? Players like Vitor, Mee, Naughton King, Waghorn will all become decent / good top division players. The goalkeeping situation was & is not really an issue, until Sven brought in Ricardo. Weale is a Championship keeper, yes prone to mistakes but you accept them as you accept his performance against Sheff U. Ricardo was never good enough for a number 1 spot. Our Defense has been shit all year, beaten too easily too often. Nidfield retains posession well, but creates little especially against defensively set up opposition Our forwards have little service to succed from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LestaFox92 Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 The thing is we're gonna smash our next three games i can just feel it now all the pressure and hope of play-offs have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Sousa's abysmal start with unhappy & unfit players Sven's inability to change something/anything to halt a decline which was one game away from being as bad as Sousa's start (prob worse than Sousa's if you take into account his 2 wins in the League Cup) Sven thinking the best players make the best team & too happy to play square pegs in round holes to accommodate them. Sven's inflexibility to change a formation that hasn't worked for a long time Needing 10 to 15 chances (in general) to score a goal Spotting the keeper needed improving but signing firstly the dreadfully awful Kirkland and then one vastly unsuited to the country/division/our team Some odd signings that plain and simple haven't made a great team no matter how good individually they may be his/Coaching staff's acceptance that our team player like headless chickens who've only just met when the opposition has the ball. As a manager you get the performances you accept, why is this side of our game still abysmal after 7 months!!! As much as Sven improved us (which I firmly believe he did) he needs to improve us that much again, and keep in mind at least 6 loan players will be leaving, he has a very, very big job on his hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieADZ Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 In my opinion we didnt appoint the right manager to start off with(dont think Sousa style of footie suited us) and the slow start out of the blocks with results really slow how well we did in terms of results when Sven came in. High hopes for the season at the start of the season but how its ended it feels like catching ur c*ck in ur zipper. Now I think look to nxt season and try and rebuild. cos the way we've been under sven has been a marked improvement compared to earlier on results wise. and get some + results with the last few games coming to hopefully carry it on into nxt season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Quite simply the team, not the club, have gone backwards considerably since last season. Pearson had a strategy and stuck to it. He also bought in good loanees, with the exception of one or two. Sven worries me, as you all know.. There seems so little cohesion and organisation. King looks knackered, the yak was a joke today, and SVENS defence are utterly shambolic.. I love my club but what I see at the moment scares me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Essentially we have very good individual players, probably the best in the division, however as a unit we are poor. Do we though? Yakubu and Kamara flatter to decieve (so far, not writing Kamara off after 4 games). How comical is Yakubu at times? First touch falls over the ball, miskicks it. He's got a lot of talent but is so frustrating it's unbelievable. I definitely wouldn't sign him. Oakley playing brilliantly at the moment but is he really good enough for a promotion side in the long run? PVA and Bruma awful. Goalkeepers are awful. Bench is terrible, no strength in depth at all. I don't think we are good enough in personnel, attitude or as a unit. We need to do a lot of work in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Do we though? Yakubu and Kamara flatter to decieve (so far, not writing Kamara off after 4 games). Oakley playing brilliantly at the moment but is he really good enough for a promotion side in the long run? PVA and Bruma awful. Goalkeepers are awful. Bench is terrible, no strength in depth at all. I don't think we are good enough in personnel, attitude or as a unit. We need to do a lot of work in the summer. Agree with all of this. At last a very sensible post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 The way I see it is. Sven has spent a lot of cash on loans and some of them have come off others haven't. He has turned the season around, we could have easily spent lots of money and stayed near the bottom with the wrong manager. He hasn't been without criticism, he has made some very strange decisions in regards to dropping Ben Mee and Weale after sheff utd(though he a Ricardo are both not good enough if we want to win the league). He is still getting used to the division, and i believe with a pre season and him putting his ow team together we will do well next season. The start under Sousa was dreadful, but even after that we could and maybe should have made the play-offs. If we'd have got Kieron weastwood in Jan we may well be sitting pretty in there. But its not all doom and gloom, we will be up there next season i have little doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatherfox Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 If we could have defenders who knew who to defended (not let one player beat two men) and midfielders who knew to defend and support the attack and forwards who whew who to find space in attack (Yukubu get some new boots) we'd be a half decent side - and oh a goalkeeper who could CATCH a ball - maybe we'd run away with the league!!!!!!!!! oh well Championship football it is then t next season ............................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zubi Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 Sven will sort it out in the summer, a nice training trip to La manga seems in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mee-9 Posted 22 April 2011 Share Posted 22 April 2011 **** off back to your cave, and become a true fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessory Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 Essentially we have very good individual players, probably the best in the division, however as a unit we are poor. We concede goals too easily & although we keep the ball very well, we are very non threatening in attack, its a terrible combination. Sven has done a poor job in my opinion. He has spent alot of cash and has not achieved anything in return. Some will say that he saved us from relegation or made us safe, but surely with his track record, wage, and cash he has had to spend (especially in comparison with our 23 rivals) we will end up finishing mid table, it is poor. The football is ok to watch, but it is very frustrating! I think we must be better than Arsenal for being able to play the ball across the 18 yard line, unfortunately we never ever create from these positions. The only time we are ever dangerous is when Naughton shoots from 20 yards. After Derby, teams figured Leicester out, & Sven never changed our approach. Yakubu has been a massive failure! His lack of effort only rubs our faces in this fact. I think we will look back in 5 years time & look at the players that we had in our side & say how did we not do better? Players like Vitor, Mee, Naughton, King, Waghorn will all become decent / good top division players. The goalkeeping situation was & is not really an issue, until Sven brought in Ricardo. Weale is a Championship keeper, yes prone to mistakes but you accept them as you accept his performance against Sheff U. Ricardo was never good enough for a number 1 spot. Our Defence has been shit all year, beaten too easily too often. Midfield retains posession well, but creates little especially against defensively set up opposition Our forwards have little service to succed from. Well said.. You can also ask, though, why a midfield that was so impressive against Manchester City couldn't produce that form against some of this division's lesser sides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuel Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 Essentially we have very good individual players, probably the best in the division, however as a unit we are poor. We concede goals too easily & although we keep the ball very well, we are very non threatening in attack, its a terrible combination. Sven has done a poor job in my opinion. He has spent alot of cash and has not achieved anything in return. Some will say that he saved us from relegation or made us safe, but surely with his track record, wage, and cash he has had to spend (especially in comparison with our 23 rivals) we will end up finishing mid table, it is poor. The football is ok to watch, but it is very frustrating! I think we must be better than Arsenal for being able to play the ball across the 18 yard line, unfortuneately we never ever create from these positions. The only time we are ever dangerous is when Naughton shoots from 20 yards. After Derby, teams figured Leicester out, & Sven never changed our approach. Yakubu has been a massive failure! His lack of effort only rubs our faces in this fact. I think we will look back in 5 years time & look at the players that we had in our side & say how did we not do better? Players like Vitor, Mee, Naughton King, Waghorn will all become decent / good top division players. The goalkeeping situation was & is not really an issue, until Sven brought in Ricardo. Weale is a Championship keeper, yes prone to mistakes but you accept them as you accept his performance against Sheff U. Ricardo was never good enough for a number 1 spot. Our Defense has been shit all year, beaten too easily too often. Nidfield retains posession well, but creates little especially against defensively set up opposition Our forwards have little service to succed from. Most of the above would be a pretty fair summary for most fans. However, I think Sven and his team got conned by the division in general, it just wasn't as good this year as they had expected it to be. Lets be honest, it has been a pretty inconsistent affair for 95 percent of the teams in it. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and will expect much more from his team next year. He had little time to really do anything of note and probably rushed headlong into some of the loan signings, but that aside, he hasn't done all that bad, all things considered. I do hope he has the ability to work out a plan B though because when the opposition parks the bus, we were clueless and that is a worry. Now this season is out of the way, hopefully he can relax a bit and forget his profile and ego and do a decent job. Next year will be a good chance (looking at the dross coming down) of doing the job he came here to do, I for one will afford him that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 I don't see this season as a post mortem. 'After death'. That would be an unconscious attempt at saying that's it. We've finished any aspirations forever. That's as far as we go. It's not. I think it's only the beginning of something very very exciting. What we got was the preview season. We've seen glimpse's of brilliance. Pure and utter brilliance. We have also seen turgid, embarrassing, and painful displays not worthy of a Sunday League team still drunk from the night before. The debate will continue to go on and on I'm sure to the reasons why, but I'd put money on Sven seeking to resolve these issues. There were some attempts at resolving them on a short-term basis. Some of these worked and some did not. What I do know for a fact, is that this summer is going to be a very exciting one for me. I can't wait to see what Sven has up his sleeve. How the team comes together, and the preseason build up. The summer can't come fast enough. So was this season a waste? A great big expensive experiment? I doubt the owners will want to see it that way! But I hope the owners have listened to Sven. They understand that the task of going up would have been very difficult from the position Sven came in, and that a second year of investment within the CCC would be the more likely outcome, with a serious challenge for promotion with a strengthened and more formidable team that plays adaptable, free-flowing, and entertaining football. Is it possible that it can only get better? That with a full preseason and an opportunity to use the transfer market properly that our signings will be a better match for the squad we have, and that the signings will take us to the next level (or two). It may be the good weather this weekend that's dried up the pessimistic side of things. I'm sure something's will not be all rosy. But realistically things will actually only get better, and we will be a team to be feared. Now with degree of optimism, I'd better stay away from the bookies or casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta-fc Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 My main concern is financial... Sven has spent a pot load of cash and kept us out of danger (showing my optimistic side) I would question just how much cash would we need to push on for promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B52 Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 Goalkeepers - we need at least one decent one. Bad start - We did, but we had equally bad periods under Sven. Defence - chopped and changed and now mostly going back where they came from. Not enough goals - we've already passed what we did last season by some distance, but not with our own players. Loanees - half the regular team will disappear, do we need some of our own players? Spending - Will Top shell out for permanent players. The sharks have been circling for some time - let the feeding frenzy begin. Why so negative... Look at all the positive instead.... We have Ricardo in goal and Logan is almost resurrected. Sven will have a clean start of the new season. Hobbs coming back again, no worry about the defence any more. Next year we will have 20+ in goal difference, minimum. As I said earlier, Hobbs coming back, Schlupp also. And we will be the recreation team No. 1 for PL-players on the bench/in the cold. They want to come down to the Championship to spank some Championship teams for fun. Top will shell out a few quids, for eastern euoropeen monsters bread on barb wire, to give us some steel and headless chicken excercises. What sharks?? Sven has already had his feeding frenzy. Lookin at all the negative posters I reckon he's made a lot of people jealous........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 My main concern is financial... Sven has spent a pot load of cash and kept us out of danger (showing my optimistic side) I would question just how much cash would we need to push on for promotion? I think the owners will put the money in place. They probably have been faux-moaning about the money they have spent just to keep prices quoted to the club for any transfer within reality and certainly I think we'll hear the same again before the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta-fc Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 I genuinely hope so but if were having to spend another 10m to get there will the Thai's stump up the dough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 I genuinely hope so but if were having to spend another 10m to get there will the Thai's stump up the dough? We are going to have to. There are a couple of decent clubs that are resurging due to refinance and others awaiting takeovers. Momentum from the promoted teams, and several relegated Premiership teams who have managers with CCC pedigree and the deadline approaching of diminishing payouts taking part in the Premiership circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 I genuinely hope so but if were having to spend another 10m to get there will the Thai's stump up the dough? We haven't spent £10 million on the team that's the money that's been invested in all aspects of the club including, let us not forget all the costs associated with getting rid of Sousa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta-fc Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 fair comment but I wouldn't imagine we'd be looking to spend much less than that to get us into a reasonable position especially considering Sphericalfox's assessment of the other teams that'll be around us next season...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 Lets have a go at this... Sousa - Brought in as a 'flash Harry' to attract/please potential new owners at the expense of Nigel Pearson. The potential New Owners liked and bought, sadly Sousa couldn't Manage an erection in the Girl's Aloud tour changing room. Sven arrives - And many fans think he's only here for the dosh and wont have the nous to get a team up from the Championship. I was sceptical myself, and I'm sure he's on a sack of money, but he has shown an ability that is to be respected, and I for one am sure that given the lessons learned this season if he is with us next season we will be a real force at the sharp end. Loans Loans Loans - Sven sees all sorts of frailties in our squad and exploits the loan market to it's maximum. The outcome of this policy is debatable, and the selling / loaning of potential key players belonging to the club in favour of loan players is another controversial subject. The Goalkeeper Situation - Weale starts the season and does OK. Sven comes in and tinkers. Kirkland comes and goes after looking like he couldn't catch crabs at a gang bang. Sven signs Ricardo, an older experienced European keeper who has only every played in southern European football, and hasn't held down a first team place in a good while. Despite Weale doing nothing wrong Sven picks Ricardo in front of him and so ensues a saga that fills many a page on a fans message board. Whatever the rights and wrongs the outcome is a pair of goalkeepers that look dodgy to say the least. Next season we will need a new one. Sol Sol Bamba - Signs for football's equivalent of a fiver with change given. Plays the game of his life in his debut against Manchester City and gets his name sung by fans from then on. Means well, gives his all and makes some heart stopping decisions, but is constantly partnered with differing defenders and as a result the middle of our defence looks brittle. Bamba is the fans favourite but will the club get him a settled regular partner in the summer to forge a solid partnership with? Gallagher, Wellens & King - The engine room of the team. All belong to the club and are great talents. There's no doubt a promotion side can be built around these three talented players, but we need permanently signed strikers and defenders for them to build an understanding with. Naughton - The huge positive from this season. Yes he belongs to Tottenham and yes our owners should do what it takes to sign him permanently. When all the loan players go back to their respective clubs what we will be left with is a squad weaker than the one we started the season with. If the owners are serious about their ambitions then equally serious money is going to be needed to acquire permanently the players at the front and back to make it happen. Here's hoping Sven stays around to complete the job, he's learnt a lot this season and given the funds will forge a team that will be up there this time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 25 April 2011 Share Posted 25 April 2011 We are going to have to. There are a couple of decent clubs that are resurging due to refinance and others awaiting takeovers. Momentum from the promoted teams, and several relegated Premiership teams who have managers with CCC pedigree and the deadline approaching of diminishing payouts taking part in the Premiership circus. Which all makes a nonsense of people assuming we're going to be an automatic promotion threat. We have so much work to do it's daunting. But it isn't just about money - it's about choices. About getting the best out of people and signing the sort of people who get the best from themselves. It's about having principles and a philosophy and making them work. a la Shankly, Revie, Wenger, George Graham to name four with notably different approaches. Pearson set his own example and in many ways I admired him for that. It was just not the philosophy I'd have chosen for the reasons he fell short and will likely fall short again this season - an inevitable shortage of goals. Me, I'm a Shankly fan, as summed up in his own words to me ..."Everything aboot Liverpool is special. Even the way the players break their legs is special. Don't you worry aboot the opposition. They'll fade like rain when the snow comes." Wonderful man, uncompromising attitude and complete belief in what he was doing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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