bald reynard Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 After seeing the debacle on Saturday, I have rapidly come to the conclusion that we are desperately missing Lloyd Dyer. He's the only one at the club (at present !) who can give us 'something different - a bit of pace and a bit of width. I really think that if he had been on the bench on Saturday and came on, he could have made all the difference to that game - get wide behind the Reading defence and get some crosses in - or get into their box with a bit of trickery. I know he has his failings (goes only one side and is not the best passer of the ball), but he does 'test defences' - and could give us something that no other player at the club does.
lcfcnoely Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I like dyer, against man city in the cup he proved how good he can be. However his final ball can be dismal, I agree that he can be exciting to watch with his blistering pace and 100% workrate, but to win the league we need a top quality dangerous winger and until he improves his crossing, passing and shooting I'm afraid he's not our missing link
Leicester_Loyal Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 We need a striker, and a winger. We need someone who can play on the RW, and then we need a good striker, which will allow Nugent to move onto the LW. Dyer will be an impact sub at best if we sort our front three out.
Dicko Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I'd have Dyer at least on the bench, he can play down either flank and his pace and dribbling does offer something different to the forward line. If/when we sign someone better then fair enough leave him out, but we haven't got another natural wide player at the minute.
Larry_LCFC Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Especially when Vassell isnt available. We need the pace.
Guest MattP Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Probably should play. Lets be honest no one can offer a logical reason as to why Jeff Schluup should be starting at this level over Lloyd Dyer in that position. Problem is I don't see a top 2 championship side involving Lloyd Dyer.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 We need a striker, and a winger. We need someone who can play on the RW, and then we need a good striker, which will allow Nugent to move onto the LW. Dyer will be an impact sub at best if we sort our front three out. Why would you put Nugent on the LW when he's a striker? surely players out of position is going to cause more problems?
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Should play at the minute because Vassell is out and we haven't got a good and fast winger to replace Vassell. Even when Vassell comes back, I think Dyer should be on the right. We should have signed a right winger in the summer, someone like Kebe.
Langston Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 We should have signed a right winger in the summer It's August 15th. Plenty of time.
Brown Fox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Why would you put Nugent on the LW when he's a striker? surely players out of position is going to cause more problems? He can play anywhere across the front 3. Last season for Pompey he played LW and got 14 goals!
Guest MattP Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 It's August 15th. Plenty of time. This is everything thats wrong with our attitude. We should of had the team sorted by end of July, its awful planning to still be desperate for players at this time. If we lose out on promotion by 1-2 points this month will of been that month we lost them because of bad planning over the summer.
bald reynard Posted 15 August 2011 Author Posted 15 August 2011 In fact, for the Brizzle game, I'd make 2 definite changes to the side that started against Reading - I'd bring Lloyd in for Ssscchh and King in for Abe. I think a 'deep' midfield of Wellens and Fernandes, with King ahead of them and Dyer and Danns on the wings (both in a 'free role', inter-changing sides) behind Nugent, would be a mobile and effective line-up. Of course if we were to sign another 'winger' that would give even more options, but we desperately need some width and pace. PS I might also think about bringing in SSL for Mills, but there's no way Sven will do that !
Outfox the Fox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 In fact, for the Brizzle game, I'd make 2 definite changes to the side that started against Reading - I'd bring Lloyd in for Ssscchh and King in for Abe. I think a 'deep' midfield of Wellens and Fernandes, with King ahead of them and Dyer and Danns on the wings (both in a 'free role', inter-changing sides) behind Nugent, would be a mobile and effective line-up. Of course if we were to sign another 'winger' that would give even more options, but we desperately need some width and pace. PS I might also think about bringing in SSL for Mills, but there's no way Sven will do that ! I think that line-up sounds pretty good. I like the idea of Dyer, Danns and King supporting Nugent up front and I think Wellens and Fernandes would be an effective midfield; they complement each other pretty well.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 It's August 15th. Plenty of time. There is a fair amount of time left but thats the wrong attitude. We should have had the team sorted before pre season really, so that the players can come together and get to know each other which would benefit the team. I know Sven saw what we needed: a new goalkeeper, a centre half, a midfielder or two (or seven) but we should have gone for a quality right winger.
ceebeefox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I think that line-up sounds pretty good. I like the idea of Dyer, Danns and King supporting Nugent up front and I think Wellens and Fernandes would be an effective midfield; they complement each other pretty well. What's Danns done to ensure a place? I've seen the Cov game and Reading and he has been busy but decidedly average. Taking King and Gallagher from the starting line up has taken so many goals out of the side , and replaced it with much of a muchness midfield mediocrity.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 He can play anywhere across the front 3. Last season for Pompey he played LW and got 14 goals! If he does that for us this season he can expect to find himself dropped the season after
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 After seeing the debacle on Saturday, I have rapidly come to the conclusion that we are desperately missing Lloyd Dyer. He's the only one at the club (at present !) who can give us 'something different - a bit of pace and a bit of width. I really think that if he had been on the bench on Saturday and came on, he could have made all the difference to that game - get wide behind the Reading defence and get some crosses in - or get into their box with a bit of trickery. I know he has his failings (goes only one side and is not the best passer of the ball), but he does 'test defences' - and could give us something that no other player at the club does. But we're too good for him :crylaugh:
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 But we're too good for him :crylaugh: How people have changed their tune about dyer..
reynard Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Bloody hell. I'd always been taught to believe the missing link was found some time ago in East Africa and now you're telling me it is Lloyd Dyer. Anthropology changed forever?
Thracian Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Probably should play. Lets be honest no one can offer a logical reason as to why Jeff Schluup should be starting at this level over Lloyd Dyer in that position. Problem is I don't see a top 2 championship side involving Lloyd Dyer. Even as an admirer of Schlupp you're quite right. It was just bizarre and will probably result in Schlupp being discarded for a while when I'd much rather the manager learned his lesson, apologised to Schlupp, and involved him in his proper position in future or even at left back where he also shows some promise and where there really could be a permanent vacancy if the present incumbent doesn't improve.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 How people have changed their tune about dyer.. Nah, the ones who really believe we're too good for him are down the park with their white lightening right now .
Guest MattP Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Even as an admirer of Schlupp you're quite right. It was just bizarre and will probably result in Schlupp being discarded for a while when I'd much rather the manager learned his lesson, apologised to Schlupp, and involved him in his proper position in future or even at left back where he also shows some promise and where there really could be a permanent vacancy if the present incumbent doesn't improve. Agree with everything there. The decision doesnt help anyone or anything, from to the team now or to Schlupp's confidence or development. It's hard enough for a seasoned pro to perform at his peak let alone a teenager with no experience of this level.
bald reynard Posted 16 August 2011 Author Posted 16 August 2011 I really do hope Sven gives Dyer a go on Wednesday. Ideally, I'd like him to start (in Sscchh's place), but I'd be content if he was at least on the bench - the option of bringing him on and using his pace and width would be invaluable (especially against, what is supposed to be, a very 'static' Brizzle back line).
Thracian Posted 16 August 2011 Posted 16 August 2011 I really do hope Sven gives Dyer a go on Wednesday. Ideally, I'd like him to start (in Sscchh's place), but I'd be content if he was at least on the bench - the option of bringing him on and using his pace and width would be invaluable (especially against, what is supposed to be, a very 'static' Brizzle back line). it's a hard one this because I really think Schlupp was shafted on Saturday but, equally I believe we need some penetration out wide. Our lack of attacking full-backs makes finding a balance so difficult. But I've never agreed with just giving youngsters one go, let alone queering the pitch for them as well and I'd say sorry to Schlupp (not that I'd ever have needed to) and show faith in him by selecting him again. The question is which of his two positions I would use him in?. At centre-forward he might form a partnership with Nugent if Gallagher, King, Danns and Dyer were supplying support from midfield with Wellens on the bench. If Schlupp played left-back he might form a genuinely threatening left flank with Dyer, one with plenty of pace and interchange. That would leave Nugent up front with King alongside and Gallagher, Wellens, Danns and Dyer supporting. It's not perfect especially with Gallagher not really being a winger and with two big centre-backs and no Tunchev, but to me that would guarantee penetration and quite likely some goals. It would even mean Schlupp could come up for dead ball situations and perhaps even take a Bale-type role and really maraude forwards if Bristol are so pegged back we don't need four defenders in our back row. Dyer and Danns would be perfectly capable of slipping back for a while but it would mean we'd have a healthy extra potential scorer in the team and all our most creative players. We'd have the pace to close down early, we'd have width and some pace out on the left and we'd have just about as much balance as we could get from the players available. Only Fernandes might consider himself unlucky to miss out but he'd get some game time, no question.
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