I am Rod Hull Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I give you the Nou Camp: I remember going when we were getting 11,000 attendances and we were shit. Still made more noise than them lot do mate. They travel well dont they... Proper fans they are, unlike Man u... Comparing the Camp Nou to Filbert Street ?
purpleronnie Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I remember going when we were getting 11,000 attendances and we were shit. Still made more noise than them lot do mate. They travel well dont they... Proper fans they are, unlike Man u... Comparing the Camp Nou to Filbert Street ? Barcelona have agreed to introducing standing areas. Looks like we'll soon be the only country who don't want fans to stand.
Chap84 Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 The reason I fell in love with Football & LCFC in the early 80's was in large down to the atmosphere & banter, but sometimes feel if I was just getting in to football now I would not be as passionate, as since we moved to the KP stadium, it seems like we have a new type of fan, they like people to sit down don't swear and whisper, and they hate you criticising the team. I hate this type of fan( each to your own) no passion, I like seeing people get wound up at games, even if you don't agree with them. For me I like an atmosphere, no drums just clapping & songs & banter with the away fans( whilst I'm on away fans, what a stupid idea not having them by the kop). Anyway I could go on forever but for now rant over, & would like to hear your thoughts Totally agree with you on that! Most of the people that go to the kp are like armchair fans! Too be fair it does my nut in, no atmosphere what so ever compared to filbert street. As soon as you start making any noise everbody starts looking at you like your mad. I carnt stand it when about the only voices you hear are the away fans and the bloody players, it's a joke!
AlphaMaleFox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I give you the Nou Camp: Your ground's too big for you, your ground's too big for you... Banter
Phube Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Comparing the Camp Nou to Filbert Street ? Look at the the words in bold... He was saying to have a decent atmosphere you need a low roof... I offered up the Nou Camp as a counter to that argument!
I am Rod Hull Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Look at the the words in bold... He was saying to have a decent atmosphere you need a low roof... I offered up the Nou Camp as a counter to that argument! Counter the argument with a stadium that holds 100,000 sun burnt Spaniards ?
Ilkeston_Fox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 One more thing before I go mad.... PEOPLE create atmospheres... not BUILDINGS!!!! This is it for me. Whilst at Cardiff (in a similar identikit ground) their fans were louder than our home fans, not because of the acoustics, but because more people sang. They didn't have to stand to make noise, they just opened their gobs. I've not sat in the kop for years now, but it seems to me that only a small proportion sing (correct me if I'm wrong). I only hear the kop every now and then. As for the West Stand and the part of the East Stand near SK1, I think it's fair to say that nothing is heard from these parts of the stadium because they don't join in (for whatever reason). For me, the simple fact remains, the more people that join in with singing the louder the ground will be. Yes shifting the kop will help but lets be real, we've got as much chance of that happening as MON coming back. P.S. Not everyone in L1 is a CHAV (Council House And Violent) irks me a little bit when I'm referred to as a chav without any justification whatsoever, just because of the area I stand to watch Leicester.
AndyBrew Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I understand that one can look back with Rose tinted spectacles and things were maybe not as great as you perceive them however, I'm so glad I had my time in the real spion kop at filbert street, there were definitely quiet areas of the ground though it wasn't a boiling cauldron all around the ground. Nowadays the match day experience is sterile and disappointing in comparison Nothing will ever change and to be honest why should it the majority of fans don't want to sing scream and shout simple as that it's a different game now financed not by the fans but by tv rights and global marketing, things change, football has that's for sure whether it's for the better is down to each individuals preferences.
Webbo Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I understand that one can look back with Rose tinted spectacles and things were maybe not as great as you perceive them As anyone who remembers the Pleat era will testify to.
accessory Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Some folk have rather romanticised views of what the Filbo fanbase was like. First of all it was a lot smaller than it is today. Throughout the 80s and early 90s crowds would regularly fall below the 10000 mark. And of those that did turn up, there were at least as many members of the blanket-and-flask brigade sitting in the tier above the Kop, the old wooden main stand (which many on here won't remember) and the East Stand as there were fanatical Koppites. It wasn't always the most welcoming of venues, either, even for home fans. The presence of any significant number of away supporters (especially from the London clubs) invariably brought an air of menace both inside and outside the ground. In addition, the redneck element of City supporters were also far more in evidence, with plenty of chants which would gladden the hearts of any BNP/Ku Klux Klan member. Things had to change and i'm glad they did. We have evolved and expanded during the past 20 years and matchdays (at least when City win) are generally the better for that.
Guy Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I can only talk for my time of following football which was way after the black and white TV days of football, way after the swinging sixties and before then when crowds were vibrant yet non violent and generally innocent........from the pictures you see and the tales you hear from the old(er) generations. The atmosphere in the King Power/Walkers Stadium is not what it was at Filbert Street before it, everyone knows that but compare that to the times before even then when Filbert Street was standing with the Kop, then it's wholly different these days! However I think it's not only football crowds that have changed but also society in general to be fair since times post Hillsborough in 1989. It is a less open, more self conscious, more politcally correct/challenged and more equal rights-orientated society these days (esp. between the sexes and races), 22 years on. In the past ten years this has all served to further dumb down the tension and atmosphere from the terraces back in the old days through to the modern day all seater stadia with a noticeably dramatic effect! More families attend now too (particularly women) than back in the 1980s (when Watford were the only club back then who were said to have a "family atmosphere"), so that alters the atmosphere in a similar way too. When I was old enough I regularly went to home games in my home town of Northampton in 1985 through to the mid 90s - the County Ground's "Hotel End" was the thronging equivalent of the Spion Kop at Filbert Street back in the mid 80s-early 90s. That as well as attending my first game at Filbert Street v yesterday's opponents, West Ham - back in 1984. Leicestershire was the place of my birth and so City have always been my team and I could only afford to travel up from Northampton and see them every now and then plus when time allowed. To see the Cobblers in 1985 it was £2.50 in the Hotel End, to see City it was £3.50 - three divisions higher!! At City whenever I attended Filbert Street back in the 80s, the away fans usually always had a police escort to the ground from the railway and bus stations, the atmosphere was always more noticeably vibrant at grounds (plus all the away ones). The popular players all mostly had their individual crowd chants rather than two or three all having the same themed chant. The toilet and refreshments were usually very primitive to say the least.....I could go on! Really you can't begin to compare the two eras (now and then) but as other posters have said, I'm pleased I was old enough to remember the special atmosphere that used to be in the grounds 22 plus years ago....as well as the tension always present in the air with the obvious threat of hooliganism - not that I condoned any of the latter. It was a different place to be back then for sure and I doubt it will ever be like that again. I'm all for re-introducing standing areas to grounds though but I suppose these would be more sterile these days because of everything that's happened in between over the years and the new generation not used to singing all the time and/or clapping. Time may tell.......!
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Interesting debate this and I'm probably gonna get shot for saying this but football was more exciting in the 80's Reason being.... The total animosity between the two sets of fans.. I remember being in pen 1 plenty of times, which was right next to the away fans and the stick we used to give each other, though of course socially unacceptable was intimidating and exciting. Walking from the tube station to the old den at Millwall.. Knowing you could get jumped at any time was fookin terrifying but also very stimulating. Of course I'm not condoning football violence but some of those games used to be exciting simply because you always knew something could kick off at any time. These are simply my feelings on the matter and I guess very few will agree.. And I don't expect you to. But going down with my mates to forest at home or derby away was scary and exciting both at the same time and the atmosphere at those sort of games was very different to the family atmospheres of contemporary football.. Just being honest..
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Im watching Espn classics at the mo with palace playing man yoo (the birch scored) and my lad asked why everyones standing. I explained thats just how it was back then, and he said he hated the idea of standing all game. Its how football is these days and unfortunatly we have to live with it. If he's still young, give him time to learn the value of a standing atmosphere. When I went to see City play Peterborough at a pre-season friendly at London Road in 1996, I had the right hump because my dad put us in the Moyes End. Terracing was such an alien concept to me (who wouldn't want a nice comfy seat?) Nowadays a match is ruined for me if someone forces me to sit.
Phube Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Interesting debate this and I'm probably gonna get shot for saying this but football was more exciting in the 80's Reason being.... The total animosity between the two sets of fans.. I remember being in pen 1 plenty of times, which was right next to the away fans and the stick we used to give each other, though of course socially unacceptable was intimidating and exciting. Walking from the tube station to the old den at Millwall.. Knowing you could get jumped at any time was fookin terrifying but also very stimulating. Of course I'm not condoning football violence but some of those games used to be exciting simply because you always knew something could kick off at any time. These are simply my feelings on the matter and I guess very few will agree.. And I don't expect you to. But going down with my mates to forest at home or derby away was scary and exciting both at the same time and the atmosphere at those sort of games was very different to the family atmospheres of contemporary football.. Just being honest.. Shoot me down in flames if you so wish. No flaming... But just saying that not once did you mention the actual football!? More about the chance of it kicking off!
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 No flaming... But just saying that not once did you mention the actual football!? More about the chance of it kicking off! The actual football for me mate was better because I was brought up mainly during the Brian little years... Compared to the teams of the recent decade, back then we always seemed more settled and stable as teams, until villa nicked him of course.. And we were relatively successful at that level, both under Brian, and then later under Martin Then again, I was a young un so looked at football with a less cynical, more innocent mind than I have now. The atmos at filbert street could be fantastic.. And sometimes crappy to be fair.. It just felt 'different' back then
Guy Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Interesting debate this and I'm probably gonna get shot for saying this but football was more exciting in the 80's Reason being.... The total animosity between the two sets of fans.. I remember being in pen 1 plenty of times, which was right next to the away fans and the stick we used to give each other, though of course socially unacceptable was intimidating and exciting. Walking from the tube station to the old den at Millwall.. Knowing you could get jumped at any time was fookin terrifying but also very stimulating. Of course I'm not condoning football violence but some of those games used to be exciting simply because you always knew something could kick off at any time. These are simply my feelings on the matter and I guess very few will agree.. And I don't expect you to. But going down with my mates to forest at home or derby away was scary and exciting both at the same time and the atmosphere at those sort of games was very different to the family atmospheres of contemporary football.. Just being honest.. Your sentiments mirror mine in many ways, I think you're of a similar age or maybe a bit older (I'm 42 but didn't start attending games until I was 15 in 1984, as already said, so a late starter really). The football was all the more exciting because of the then atmosphere (hooliganism and all) and I think anybody who's old enough to remember the old days of hooliganism and the terraces would all say similar things to us.....whether socially acceptable/politically correct (yuck!) or not.......!
I am Rod Hull Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Interesting debate this and I'm probably gonna get shot for saying this but football was more exciting in the 80'sReason being.... The total animosity between the two sets of fans..I remember being in pen 1 plenty of times, which was right next to the away fans and the stick we used to give each other, though of course socially unacceptable was intimidating and exciting.Walking from the tube station to the old den at Millwall.. Knowing you could get jumped at any time was fookin terrifying but also very stimulating.Of course I'm not condoning football violence but some of those games used to be exciting simply because you always knew something could kick off at any time.These are simply my feelings on the matter and I guess very few will agree.. And I don't expect you to.But going down with my mates to forest at home or derby away was scary and exciting both at the same time and the atmosphere at those sort of games was very different to the family atmospheres of contemporary football..Just being honest.. No flaming... But just saying that not once did you mention the actual football!? More about the chance of it kicking off! The rush...
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Your sentiments mirror mine in many ways, I think you're of a similar age or maybe a bit older (I'm 42 but didn't start attending games until I was 15 in 1984, as already said, so a late starter really). The football was all the more exciting because of the then atmosphere (hooliganism and all) and I think anybody who's old enough to remember the old days of hooliganism and the terraces would all say similar things to us.....whether socially acceptable/politically correct (yuck!) or not.......! 43 pal.. But I think I started younger than you.. I think my dad took me to a game when Jock Wallace was manager? Then again mi memory's waning through age, stress and too many Stella's
I am Rod Hull Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Your sentiments mirror mine in many ways, I think you're of a similar age or maybe a bit older (I'm 42 but didn't start attending games until I was 15 in 1984, as already said, so a late starter really). The football was all the more exciting because of the then atmosphere (hooliganism and all) and I think anybody who's old enough to remember the old days of hooliganism and the terraces would all say similar things to us.....whether socially acceptable/politically correct (yuck!) or not.......! 43 pal.. But I think I started younger than you..I think my dad took me to a game when Jock Wallace was manager?Then again mi memory's waning through age, stress and too many Stella'slol 42.. I blame Thatcher..
Cecchini1976 Posted 30 October 2011 Author Posted 30 October 2011 Unfortunately times have changed in football, mostly for the better, but I would like the club to make a section of the ground for people who want to sing and create an atmosphere, I know this won't happen but would be nice. I would also like to take my hat off to the fans in L1, as they do their best to create an atmosphere through out games, but wish they could come up with some good chants rather than needing a drum to start them off
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Unfortunately times have changed in football, mostly for the better, but I would like the club to make a section of the ground for people who want to sing and create an atmosphere, I know this won't happen but would be nice. I would also like to take my hat off to the fans in L1, as they do their best to create an atmosphere through out games, but wish they could come up with some good chants rather than needing a drum to start them off Unfortunately.... Mostly for the better...... That's an oxymoron or summat ain't it?
Guy Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 43 pal.. But I think I started younger than you.. I think my dad took me to a game when Jock Wallace was manager? Then again mi memory's waning through age, stress and too many Stella's , too many Stellas wouldn't do your memory box too much good I guess.......! I started supporting City properly when I completed my Football '78 Panini album when McLintock was our ailing manager at the time! Sadly I didn't have a Dad to take me to games so that's why I started late really re attending games......my first in Leic. then in Northampton and then back to Leicester when I could (after we moved to Northampton when I was four). Happy 80s days though! UIt'll never be that good again, despite the obvious negatives of hooliganism back then. You could cut the atmosphere with a knife back in thsoe times though. It was always special in the 80s........
Cecchini1976 Posted 30 October 2011 Author Posted 30 October 2011 Unfortunately.... Mostly for the better...... That's an oxymoron or summat ain't it? Yeah, just read it back. But you get my drift, and tired the whole clock changing thing has made it a long day
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 , too many Stellas wouldn't do your memory box too much good I guess.......! I started supporting City properly when I completed my Football '78 Panini album when McLintock was our ailing manager at the time! Sadly I didn't have a Dad to take me to games so that's why I started late really re attending games......my first in Leic. then in Northampton and then back to Leicester when I could (after we moved to Northampton when I was four). Happy 80s days though! UIt'll never be that good again, despite the obvious negatives of hooliganism back then. You could cut the atmosphere with a knife back in thsoe times though. It was always special in the 80s........ Fair play to ya mate... I agree Also agree with you about this ridiculous PC world we live in.. But that's another major debate for another day One example I have of the one of the funniest things I saw was when the ball got kicked into pen 1 and one of my mates caught it.. One of the chants at that time was 'keep the ball....' and this is exactly what Mick did. He literally would not give it back and surged thru to the back of the pen with it under his fookin jacket! Everybody pissed themselves at this nonsense whilst he had the biggest twattish grin on his face ever!! Wouldn't happen these days would it.. Some fella in an orange jacket would pounce and him and the coppers would nick him for it... Magic laff, naughty but very very funny
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