Guy Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 42.. I blame Thatcher.. Well I never voted for her in '87 when I was old enough to! Neil Kinnock........even though not the colour of City blue!
Kitchandro Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I agree that the atmosphere these days is probably nowhere near as good as it was in the 70s and 80s, and I also think purpleronnie is spot on with the reasons why. However, it does annoy me when people throw out the line about 'modern stadiums have no atmosphere', and I especially don't agree with 'our ground has a rubbish atmosphere compared to old grounds'. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't like the way our stadium looks, it's boring and appears a lot smaller than it is, whereas there are old grounds which hold quite a bit less than ours, but actually look bigger than ours. But I don't think that we fail to create an atmosphere at home, in fact in the East stand it's one of the best in the league. We regularly outsing away fans and you can tell this because they rarely sarcastically clap when we're chanting, they mainly just do nothing and look embarrassed. We are usually pretty loud and I can hardly ever make out what the away fans are singing. Compare this with away games and on almost every one I've been to, we have comfortably outsung the home support. I was also sat in what is normally the away section for the Real Madrid game, and was surprised to see that our usual singing section was in it's normal place. I can tell you that it sounded very loud from that corner. What's more, and this is slightly off topic, when our stadium is full I can imagine it being quite intimidating for the away fans, as you are crammed in a corner with the home fans right next to you (only seperated by stewards and about 5 seats)- whereas at some old grounds, it feels quite a long way away from the home fans, because generally you have a whole stand and the stands are seperate from one another. I think this is more fun but less intimidating. There is an argument that old grounds have better acoustics, though this does not necessarily ensure a good atmosphere. Having been to some away grounds though, being perfectly honest in quite a few of them I didn't even know where the singing section was for the home fans. I'm talking about Forest, Preston, the 2 Sheffield clubs, Newcastle,etc. Even at Elland Road they were quite poor. Whilst those grounds may have a reputation for being atmosphereic, I can tell you that there weren't nearly as many home fans singing as there are at Filbert Way every other week. So yes, old grounds have some good points; they are more impressive to look at, they generally have better acoustics and are closer to the pitch, but I don't agree that they create better atmosphere's than we do on a regular basis. If the old grounds still had terracing it might be a different story.
Kitchandro Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I give you the Nou Camp: Is the Nou Camp that loud though? OK It's probably quite loud because there's so many people in it, but I very much doubt that design helps the atmosphere. If it had a sloping roof it would probably be better. For what it's worth I agree with you, fans are the ones who make noise so a lack of atmosphere cannot be blamed on the stadium, however, stadium design does make some difference.
Kitchandro Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Exactly the same, I feel sorry for the new fans now having this as the first home of Leicester City. I wouldn't have anywhere near the same feeling for the club without filbo. Well it's each to their own of course, but I only wen to a handful of games at Filbo, I was young and I don't remember the atmosphere striking me as amazing (I appreciate it was much better before it became all seater), so Filbert Way was pretty much 'the first home', and I love the club as much as anybody, get excited every matchday, and although it isn't perfect, love our stadium because it is our home. To me, it's a special place, and though I would have loved to have experienced Filbo in the 80s, I wouldn't say I feel sorry for myself, not anymore than those fans the same age as me who have been going to Elland Road and the City Ground all their life.
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I agree that the atmosphere these days is probably nowhere near as good as it was in the 70s and 80s, and I also think purpleronnie is spot on with the reasons why. However, it does annoy me when people throw out the line about 'modern stadiums have no atmosphere', and I especially don't agree with 'our ground has a rubbish atmosphere compared to old grounds'. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't like the way our stadium looks, it's boring and appears a lot smaller than it is, whereas there are old grounds which hold quite a bit less than ours, but actually look bigger than ours. But I don't think that we fail to create an atmosphere at home, in fact in the East stand it's one of the best in the league. We regularly outsing away fans and you can tell this because they rarely sarcastically clap when we're chanting, they mainly just do nothing and look embarrassed. We are usually pretty loud and I can hardly ever make out what the away fans are singing. Compare this with away games and on almost every one I've been to, we have comfortably outsung the home support. I was also sat in what is normally the away section for the Real Madrid game, and was surprised to see that our usual singing section was in it's normal place. I can tell you that it sounded very loud from that corner. What's more, and this is slightly off topic, when our stadium is full I can imagine it being quite intimidating for the away fans, as you are crammed in a corner with the home fans right next to you (only seperated by stewards and about 5 seats)- whereas at some old grounds, it feels quite a long way away from the home fans, because generally you have a whole stand and the stands are seperate from one another. I think this is more fun but less intimidating. There is an argument that old grounds have better acoustics, though this does not necessarily ensure a good atmosphere. Having been to some away grounds though, being perfectly honest in quite a few of them I didn't even know where the singing section was for the home fans. I'm talking about Forest, Preston, the 2 Sheffield clubs, Newcastle,etc. Even at Elland Road they were quite poor. Whilst those grounds may have a reputation for being atmosphereic, I can tell you that there weren't nearly as many home fans singing as there are at Filbert Way every other week. So yes, old grounds have some good points; they are more impressive to look at, they generally have better acoustics and are closer to the pitch, but I don't agree that they create better atmosphere's than we do on a regular basis. If the old grounds still had terracing it might be a different story. Its not only about the stadia Kitchandro..theres far more to it than that as I tried to explain above. Back then it was very few kids, hardly any women and if you think it might be intimidating today, its nothing like it was back then. We had far more stupid songs and could lark about far more back then cos it wasnt as massively controlled as it is these days. Yes the size of the stadium helped - Filbert St, full to the rafters sounded louder simply because everyone was closer.. but its far more complex than that.
Kitchandro Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Its not only about the stadia Kitchandro..theres far more to it than that as I tried to explain above. Back then it was very few kids, hardly any women and if you think it might be intimidating today, its nothing like it was back then. We had far more stupid songs and could lark about far more back then cos it wasnt as massively controlled as it is these days. Yes the size of the stadium helped - Filbert St, full to the rafters sounded louder simply because everyone was closer.. but its far more complex than that. Yeh I agree, that's the point I was trying to make. Whilst people hark on about the old grounds and envy those who still watch football at old grounds, I don't think the atmosphere is necessarily better at old grounds at all in this day and age. I am sure atmospheres were better and more intimidating 'back in the day' though, for a number of reasons, I wouldn't try to argue otherwise. I was merely comparing atmospheres in different grounds in 2011
KFS Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I'm writing a dissertation on this topic. I'm half way through, but I can post it if anyone wants to read it later on? I'd like to include the thoughts of our current health and safety manager. It used to be Barclay, any ideas who the new one is? How can I get hold of him/ her?
Phube Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Two things about new stadium designs: They are designed (acoustically) to project the sound onto the pitch, not to appease sections of the crowd. Every single seat has a good view of the pitch (for the actual game!) no bloody pillars in the way!
Bayfox Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I attended a number of games at Filbert St and have sat in all sections of the ground, I have also had a season ticket at every season we have been at our current ground and I have to say the atmosphere and the banter was always better at Filbert St, yes I accept the most of the noise was made from just a small section of the ground SK1/SK2 and the fact it was terracing and right next to the away end had a huge baring on this. However we now still have a small section, L1 next to the away fans and yet for all this talk of accoustics etc in modern stadiums at times you can't here L1 or the away fans from our end, and I guess L1 will say the kop sounds the same from where they are. I think we have to allow for 2 factors, back in the 80's 90's etc how many women, children etc went to games as familys like they can now and also and I consider it the biggest factor, the club choosing to do the PC thing and putting the away fans nearest the family stand where it is easy to bus them in and out, if we had kept the Kop as the Kop and put the away fans in the corner closest to them, We would never have had this split that has moved people into 2 sections. diluting the potential for atmosphere, look at West Ham on saturday 3000 all cramped in a small section, stewards allowing us to stand, and result apart I had a decent day out and it is easy to get chants to catch on.
Bangkok Mick Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Interesting debate this and I'm probably gonna get shot for saying this but football was more exciting in the 80's Reason being.... The total animosity between the two sets of fans.. I remember being in pen 1 plenty of times, which was right next to the away fans and the stick we used to give each other, though of course socially unacceptable was intimidating and exciting. Walking from the tube station to the old den at Millwall.. Knowing you could get jumped at any time was fookin terrifying but also very stimulating. Of course I'm not condoning football violence but some of those games used to be exciting simply because you always knew something could kick off at any time. These are simply my feelings on the matter and I guess very few will agree.. And I don't expect you to. But going down with my mates to forest at home or derby away was scary and exciting both at the same time and the atmosphere at those sort of games was very different to the family atmospheres of contemporary football.. Just being honest.. Couldn`t agree more. I remember going to Millwall in an FA Cup match, midweek, freezing night, in the early 80`s. There could only have been about 200 of us on the train and it was scary stuff. we lost 2-0. SK 1/2 All blokes, the atmosphere built up gradually as the home and away ends filled up.. no need for the bloody hunting horn and music to artificially generate an atmosphere... teams come out to ticker tape/balloons.Didn`t need to be told "The teams are now in the tunnel" (Really? well it`s 3pm, kick-off time what a surprise!) when you think of all the railings/spikes/police between the fans at Filbo. these days there`s just a bloody curtain to prevent wannabe hooligans from gettin` at each other. All the away fans seemed to hate our ground and often felt intimidated. I also remember a brief period when the squad started to sit in the East stand and hearing the Kop sing "You`re surrounded". Love the fact that lads in L1 stand and try to keep the atmosphere and some of the old songs alive. Although there is a girl who stands there right next to the away fans and soon becomes a target for the usual chants which she sems to lap up, pathetic. If that was my daughter/g`friend I`d be ashamed. I think all seaters have affected every stadium. I`ve stood and sat on the Kop at Liverpool and it`s so much quieter these days. Often you here away fans singing "Where`s your famous atmosphere? sadly I think the old days at Filbo with its` intimidating atmosphere are gone but not forgotten. there are so many games I look back on with a rammed Filbo rocking... Cambridge in the Play offs was awesome.
Saxondale Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Who ever organised the seating and blocks ****ed up the atmosphere at the Walkers-King Power Stadium. Why have the 'KOP' at the other end to the away fans? Well obviously that was completely deliberate to keep friction to a minimum. No more 2p throwing like in the old Filbo days!
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Couldn`t agree more. I remember going to Millwall in an FA Cup match, midweek, freezing night, in the early 80`s. There could only have been about 200 of us on the train and it was scary stuff. we lost 2-0 SK 1/2 All blokes, the atmosphere built up gradually as the home and away ends filled up.. no need for the bloody hunting horn and music to artificially generate an atmosphere... teams come out to ticker tape/balloons.Didn`t need to be told "The teams are now in the tunnel" (Really? well it`s 3pm, kick-off time what a surprise!) when you think of all the railings/spikes/police between the fans at Filbo. these days there`s just a bloody curtain to prevent wannabe hooligans from gettin` at each other. All the away fans seemed to hate our ground and often felt intimidated. I also remember a brief period when the squad started to sit in the East stand and hearing the Kop sing "You`re surrounded". Love the fact that lads in L1 stand and try to keep the atmosphere and some of the old songs alive. Although there is a girl who stands there right next to the away fans and soon becomes a target for the usual chants which she sems to lap up, pathetic. If that was my daughter/g`friend I`d be ashamed. I think all seaters have affected every stadium. I`ve stood and sat on the Kop at Liverpool and it`s so much quieter these days. Often you here away fans singing "Where`s your famous atmosphere? sadly I think the old days at Filbo with its` intimidating atmosphere are gone but not forgotten. there are so many games I look back on with a rammed Filbo rocking... Cambridge in the Play offs was awesome. Magic post Mick.. I was at the Cambridge game too, though nearly didn't make it cos we had been drinking in 'The Angel' pub (sadly now gone) and forgot the time That was the night that tommy wright ripped em apart, if my memory serves me rightly..
Lcfcman2010 Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I remember as a 9/10/11 Year old going to most home games at Filbert St and being in the Kop. The atmosphere was immense at times. It was a day where my Dad would give me the "it doesn't matter what you say" look and just let me get in the moment and the passion and excitement that used to run through you on Matchdays in there was something quite special and something I will never forget. The KP atmosphere is cringeworthy at times. I applaude the efforts of L1 and the kop but it does seem quite to often one copies the other and not in time and just really dull. The main problem i find, sitting bang in the middle of both, is the lack of length to the chants being sung. Once started it's going 1000 mph and ends so quickly. The chants in the Kop at Filbert St used to go on for a good few minutes if not half the the game if we were winning! Boredom seems to set in so quickly and it all moves on to another half baked effort at another chant. I Love the KP don't get me wrong, but the atmosphere from Filbert St will never return. Too much segrigation from H&S bumboys and lack of togetherness from fans. If you watch Derren Browns The Gameshow you'll know the meaning of deindividuation and what a group/gang/crowd does when in that situation. He explained it well. We need a bit more of a coming together.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I remember as a 9/10/11 Year old going to most home games at Filbert St and being in the Kop. The atmosphere was immense at times. It was a day where my Dad would give me the "it doesn't matter what you say" look and just let me get in the moment and the passion and excitement that used to run through you on Matchdays in there was something quite special and something I will never forget. The KP atmosphere is cringeworthy at times. I applaude the efforts of L1 and the kop but it does seem quite to often one copies the other and not in time and just really dull. The main problem i find, sitting bang in the middle of both, is the lack of length to the chants being sung. Once started it's going 1000 mph and ends so quickly. The chants in the Kop at Filbert St used to go on for a good few minutes if not half the the game if we were winning! Boredom seems to set in so quickly and it all moves on to another half baked effort at another chant. I Love the KP don't get me wrong, but the atmosphere from Filbert St will never return. Too much segrigation from H&S bumboys and lack of togetherness from fans. If you watch Derren Browns The Gameshow you'll know the meaning of deindividuation and what a group/gang/crowd does when in that situation. He explained it well. We need a bit more of a coming together. I agree with you.. Where I sit too is about central to the two sets of singers.. And the atmos in my bit is pretty non existent.. Unless we go three up then it suddenly improves.
Bayfox Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I remember as a 9/10/11 Year old going to most home games at Filbert St and being in the Kop. The atmosphere was immense at times. It was a day where my Dad would give me the "it doesn't matter what you say" look and just let me get in the moment and the passion and excitement that used to run through you on Matchdays in there was something quite special and something I will never forget. The KP atmosphere is cringeworthy at times. I applaude the efforts of L1 and the kop but it does seem quite to often one copies the other and not in time and just really dull. The main problem i find, sitting bang in the middle of both, is the lack of length to the chants being sung. Once started it's going 1000 mph and ends so quickly. The chants in the Kop at Filbert St used to go on for a good few minutes if not half the the game if we were winning! Boredom seems to set in so quickly and it all moves on to another half baked effort at another chant. I Love the KP don't get me wrong, but the atmosphere from Filbert St will never return. Too much segrigation from H&S bumboys and lack of togetherness from fans. If you watch Derren Browns The Gameshow you'll know the meaning of deindividuation and what a group/gang/crowd does when in that situation. He explained it well. We need a bit more of a coming together. I remember being 3-0 down against Liverpool and SK1 singing Leicester, Leicester, Leicester, for the last 15-20 mins of the game. Now that is supporting your club.
Burmesefox Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Your ground's too big for you, your ground's too big for you... Banter Quality!
Manwell Pablo Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I swear this must be around the 30th time someone has started a thread like this. I am not even joking when I say and the rest.
Guest MattP Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Couldn`t agree more. I remember going to Millwall in an FA Cup match, midweek, freezing night, in the early 80`s. There could only have been about 200 of us on the train and it was scary stuff. we lost 2-0. SK 1/2 All blokes, the atmosphere built up gradually as the home and away ends filled up.. no need for the bloody hunting horn and music to artificially generate an atmosphere... teams come out to ticker tape/balloons.Didn`t need to be told "The teams are now in the tunnel" (Really? well it`s 3pm, kick-off time what a surprise!) when you think of all the railings/spikes/police between the fans at Filbo. these days there`s just a bloody curtain to prevent wannabe hooligans from gettin` at each other. All the away fans seemed to hate our ground and often felt intimidated. I also remember a brief period when the squad started to sit in the East stand and hearing the Kop sing "You`re surrounded". Love the fact that lads in L1 stand and try to keep the atmosphere and some of the old songs alive. Although there is a girl who stands there right next to the away fans and soon becomes a target for the usual chants which she sems to lap up, pathetic. If that was my daughter/g`friend I`d be ashamed. I think all seaters have affected every stadium. I`ve stood and sat on the Kop at Liverpool and it`s so much quieter these days. Often you here away fans singing "Where`s your famous atmosphere? sadly I think the old days at Filbo with its` intimidating atmosphere are gone but not forgotten. there are so many games I look back on with a rammed Filbo rocking... Cambridge in the Play offs was awesome. Great post.
Fox92 Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Swearing does not make the place more intimidating. The atmosphere won't be as good as Filbert Street because it is a newer ground and we are further away from the pitch. The thing that does my head in is when you get people that don't watch the game and just wind the opposition fans up.
AndyBrew Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Cambridge in the Play offs was awesome. that was one of the very few games I have been to and at no point was I in any doubt that we would win, fantastic night, I didn't even get in the kop I ended up in the lower west stand, experiences like that will never be had again in my opinion
Guest MattP Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 that was one of the very few games I have been to and at no point was I in any doubt that we would win, fantastic night, I didn't even get in the kop I ended up in the lower west stand, experiences like that will never be had again in my opinion Still the greatest game I have been too. The stadium was actually shaking. Will never get another night like that.
Bangkok Mick Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Magic post Mick.. I was at the Cambridge game too, though nearly didn't make it cos we had been drinking in 'The Angel' pub (sadly now gone) and forgot the time That was the night that tommy wright ripped em apart, if my memory serves me rightly.. Yeah Oh Tommy wright had a blinder & also got 2goals. I went to the 1st leg at their ground as well when it was 1-1. Stood up rammed into their tiny away end. Can you remember their No.9,10 & 11? As for The Angel bin in their. even the bloody pubs seemed better back in the day as opposed to some of the sanitised, characterless, music less, family friendly chains you get now. You soon knew as an away fan if you`d walked into the wrong pub then. 9 dublin 10 Claridge 11 Philpot how bizzare!
Bangkok Mick Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Still the greatest game I have been too. The stadium was actually shaking. Will never get another night like that. Funny that me and my mates ended up in the West Stand Upper for the 1st time ever after having a few beers and getting confronted with massive queues for the Kop. In the 1st ten minutes or so I seem to remember them being all over us and hitting the bar but after that... dreamland
The Year Of The Fox Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 No, I just snapped the photo... That pic was taken queueing for cardiff awsy tickets wasn't it? I was in or behind the tent at that point!
purpleronnie Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Still the greatest game I have been too. The stadium was actually shaking. Will never get another night like that. Definately my fave Leicester game, I got the feeling that we would have beaten anyone that night.
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