Legalise cannabis?

[flowwolf]

Not really, the ones doing the trafficking are the most desperate. Do you think the people making the money would risk their lives?

No but if the runners are too scared to do it knowing if caught it's terminal then the real bad guys have got no one to do their dirty work for them have they ?

Edited 10 November 2012 by flowwolf

[foz.foz]

unfortunately, there is always someone who wants to make it to the top and will do whatever it takes to get there

[flowwolf]

unfortunately, there is always someone who wants to make it to the top and will do whatever it takes to get there

Fair enough if someone want's to take the risk but no loss to humanity if they get caught is it .

[21st Century Fox]

Fair enough if someone want's to take the risk but no loss to humanity if they get caught is it .

Drug mules won't usually have much say in the matter though.

[Carl the Llama]

People who take drugs are already knowingly breaking the law, why would they want to buy a legal version, unless of course we could could undercut the criminals and make drugs cheaper. Hardly discouraging.

As for education, let's not pretend kids aren't constantly bludgeoned with safe sex/anti drug,drink, cigarette and everything else education. It never makes any difference.

Are you suggesting that breaking the law is what attracts people to drugs? I hope not because that would be silly.

Ask the millions of tourists that visit Amsterdam for the very purpose of purchasing legal cannabis each year.

Better yet ask the millions of people from neighbouring countries who regularly make trips to buy cannabis grown to a specific standard in a safe environment instead of funding the local black market.

[Webbo]

Are you suggesting that breaking the law is what attracts people to drugs? I hope not because that would be silly.

No. I'm saying they're not bothered about the law at the minute so why are they desperate to buy legal drugs.

[skinnydipper]

People who call guys who are attracted to 15-year-olds peadophiles

I'm more worried about Moose wanting to legalise 15 year olds

[Carl the Llama]

No but if the runners are too scared to do it knowing if caught it's terminal then the real bad guys have got no one to do their dirty work for them have they ?

And this is where human trafficking comes in.

As long as there's a personal financial incentive created by the black market, people will do the most heinous things.

Unfortunately well-meaning people like you tacitly allow it in the name of crime-reduction and social responsibility by actively opposing the creation of laws which, at their root, are based on fiscal common sense and the eradication of the same crimes you're supposedly against.

[Carl the Llama]

No. I'm saying they're not bothered about the law at the minute so why are they desperate to buy legal drugs.

You're winding me up surely? That question is answered so many times by different people over the last few pages of this thread.

Recap: Black market bad. Controlled production and distribution good. Public money being wasted on a fruitless war bad. Public money gained by the taxation of cannabis sales good. (There are more points raised in this thread than those, which also answer your question, but I'm taking it for granted you'll now feel incentivised to go back over it and have a read of them.)

Edited 10 November 2012 by BoxingFoxes

[21st Century Fox]

[Webbo]

You're winding me up surely? That question is answered so many times by different people over the last few pages of this thread.

Recap: Black market bad. Controlled production and distribution good. Public money being wasted on a fruitless war bad. Public money gained by the taxation of cannabis sales good. (There are more points raised in this thread than those, which also answer your question, but I'm taking it for granted you'll now feel incentivised to go back over it and have a read of them.)

Drug users aren't bothered about the black market at the minute or they wouldn't buy drugs, would they?

If you tax reefers, joints whatever you call them and say charge £10 per joint for instance and the black market drug dealer is charging £8 then why would any one buy the legal version?

[21st Century Fox]

Drug users aren't bothered about the black market at the minute or they wouldn't buy drugs, would they?

If you tax reefers, joints whatever you call them and say charge £10 per joint for instance and the black market drug dealer is charging £8 then why would any one buy the legal version?

Is there a raging moonshine industry post-prohibition in America?

[Webbo]

Is there a raging moonshine industry post-prohibition in America?

Is crime a thing of the past in America?Are there no alcoholics in America any more?

[21st Century Fox]

Is crime a thing of the past in America?Are there no alcoholics in America any more?

What's that got to do with a drugs black market? Some people abuse alcohol and some people don't, just as would be the case with cannabis. I thought you were a libertarian!?

[Webbo]

I thought you were a libertarian!?

I do have some libertarian sympathies. I totally get the argument about letting people abuse their own bodies if they want to. I just feel that, on balance, it isn't worth taking the risk in legalising cannabis.

I don't believe it will cut crime nor reduce risk for abusers.

Edited 10 November 2012 by Webbo

[Carl the Llama]

I do have some libertarian sympathies. I totally get the argument about letting people abuse their own bodies if they want to. I just feel that, on balance, it isn't worth taking the risk in legalising cannabis.

I don't believe it will cut crime nor reduce risk for abusers.

Then you're wrong, you've made your mind up (without providing any evidence against that which you've been provided with no less) and we're all wasting our breath trying to convince you otherwise.

[21st Century Fox]

I do have some libertarian sympathies. I totally get the argument about letting people abuse their own bodies if they want to. I just feel that, on balance, it isn't worth taking the risk in legalising cannabis.

I don't believe it will cut crime nor reduce risk for abusers.

Why not? Something that's mass produced, taxed, safe and convenient is always going to favourable to buying it from a dealer. If a guy on a street asked me if I wanted to buy whiskey from him on the cheap, I'd still tell him to get lost and walk into an off-license, safe in the knowledge that it isn't dyed antifreeze. Dealers would have to be able to undercut a mass produced, readily available legal product, it would be extremely difficult to do that on a small scale and any thing on a large scale would you'd assume fall foul of the law.

[Webbo]

Then you're wrong, you've made your mind up (without providing any evidence against that which you've been provided with no less)

I can't prove what might happen any more than you can.

we're all wasting our breath trying to convince you otherwise.

Correct.

[Carl the Llama]

I can't prove what might happen any more than you can.

Nobody can claim to be able to 100% predict the future. I have given your eyelids lots of evidence of what will likely happen though.

Right, that's me done in this thread: I have nothing more to add to this conversation, pretty much all ground has been covered.

What I do find interesting is that this thread is a pretty good indication of why things are the way they are at this point in time. It also gives me hope that more legitimate laws will eventually become reality. Nice one chaps and onto the next one.

[Webbo]

Nobody can claim to be able to 100% predict the future. I have given your eyelids lots of evidence of what will likely happen though.

It's not evidence it's opinion.

[flowwolf]

And this is where human trafficking comes in.

As long as there's a personal financial incentive created by the black market, people will do the most heinous things.

Unfortunately well-meaning people like you tacitly allow it in the name of crime-reduction and social responsibility by actively opposing the creation of laws which, at their root, are based on fiscal common sense and the eradication of the same crimes you're supposedly against.

No not people like me I don't have any say in the matter. I don't allow anything. It's the governments that make the laws and you can argue until you are Blue in the face but Legalising drugs is not going to happen end of.

[Bellend Sebastian]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/11/eugene-jarecki-us-states-legalise-marijuana

[Leicfox]

http://www.guardian....alise-marijuana

This might be a vote catcher for any party brave enough to take it on in the UK.

[Dr The Singh]

Americans are way ahead of us:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/colorado-washington-states-legalize-recreational-marijuana/story?id=17652774#.UKJhxWlOpH9

[Carl the Llama]

No not people like me I don't have any say in the matter. I don't allow anything. It's the governments that make the laws and you can argue until you are Blue in the face but Legalising drugs is not going to happen end of.

...You were saying Flowy?