Legalise cannabis?

[Samilktray]

You'd have to live a very sheltered and boring life if you can't recognise the smell of weed. Still, I could do with 1 of those cards.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Always think this debate is approached in all the wrong ways. Not really interested in pros and cons, tax v funding crime or even health risks vs benefits There is so much contradictory evidence and misinformation on all sides that it all basically becomes irrelevant. When it comes to taking drugs, purely from a civil liberties perspective, who the hell are the government to tell me I can or can't? If I want to I will and if I don't I wont.

[Finnegan]

You'd have to live a very sheltered and boring life if you can't recognise the smell of weed. Still, I could do with 1 of those cards.

yep

Walk up and down Fosse or Narborough Roads often enough and you'll gerra good whiff.

[Carl the Llama]

Are you on crack? Those parents should be ashamed, absolutely pathetic and imo really scummy. No standards or morals, makes me sick that we live in a society amongst tramps and scummers like that.

If you don't mind, could you go back over pages 33 & 34, watch the video all the way through, read my posts carefully, and then post in reasoned detail what exactly it is about my pov that makes you think I'm on crack and what makes them so trampy and scummy?

[Father Ted]

If you don't mind, could you go back over pages 33 & 34, watch the video all the way through, read my posts carefully, and then post in reasoned detail what exactly it is about my pov that makes you think I'm on crack and what makes them so trampy and scummy?

They smoked a spliff with their son at the age of 14 and you call it good parenting... My viewpoint stands.

[flowwolf]

Never did me any harm.

I beg to differ.

[Carl the Llama]

They smoked a spliff with their son at the age of 14 and you call it good parenting... My viewpoint stands.

Then I have to say it is you who is on crack. My opinion about someone smoking at 14 is very clear in the first post on this page(edit: make that the previous page), along with an embarrassing failure to use the correct version of who's/whose:

...someone who's brain is still developing shouldn't be exposed to the substance.

It was the common sense approach to the matter, age excepted, that I applauded.

If you have no other justifications for the hatefully worded post which I initially responded to I guess we can call it a day there.

Edited 19 March 2013 by BoxingFoxes

[flowwolf]

You don't need to smell it you only have to look at the stupid grinning low life who partake. you know they look like the waiting room for the Jeremy Kyle show. They walk past you stinking like a Autumn bonfire that someone has just pissed on.

They giggle and snigger at nothing then ram twenty cheap shit horse burgers down their palid drug crazed faces , because ( wait for it ) they have the munchies. Yes they even have their own peasant lingo for the dirty habit , fvcking pathetic.

Edited 19 March 2013 by flowwolf

[Father Ted]

Then I have to say it is you who is on crack. My opinion about someone smoking at 14 is very clear in the first post on this page(edit: make that the previous page), along with an embarrassing failure to use the correct version of who's/whose:

It was the common sense approach to the matter, age excepted, that I applauded.

If you have no other justifications for the hatefully worded post which I initially responded to I guess we can call it a day there.

Be it 14 or 18 makes no difference. I see it as scummy, father and child smoking spliffs in their own house together, fvcking cringeworthy. You claim it's some sort of 'educational' process, why allow your child to start in the first place? I've been brought up in a strong, respectful family, not one that drinks cans of lager on parks with spliff in the other hand. The whole perception of 'legalise cannabis' is cringeworthy in the first place. Wasters with no respect for themselves.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Flowwolf and Ted were blatantly teased for pulling whities in their adolescence

[flowwolf]

Be it 14 or 18 makes no difference. I see it as scummy, father and child smoking spliffs in their own house together, fvcking cringeworthy. You claim it's some sort of 'educational' process, why allow your child to start in the first place? I've been brought up in a strong, respectful family, not one that drinks cans of lager on parks with spliff in the other hand. The whole perception of 'legalise cannabis' is cringeworthy in the first place. Wasters with no respect for themselves.

My god and I thought I was on my own !

[flowwolf]

Flowwolf and Ted were blatantly teased for pulling whities in their adolescence

Ah yet more drug crazed peasant lingo.

Edited 19 March 2013 by flowwolf

[Guest BlueBrett]

Ah yet more drug crazed peasant lingo.

Thought you'd like it.

[lavrentis]

You don't need to smell it you only have to look at the stupid grinning low life who partake. you know they look like the waiting room for the Jeremy Kyle show. They walk past you stinking like a Autumn bonfire that someone has just pissed on.

They giggle and snigger at nothing then ram twenty cheap shit horse burgers down their palid drug crazed faces , because ( wait for it ) they have the munchies. Yes they even have their own peasant lingo for the dirty habit , fvcking pathetic.

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You forgot nipping down to the local Tesco express, I did actually see a guy in a Sainsburys local the other week clearly stoned buying all the shit he could find

[Carl the Llama]

Be it 14 or 18 makes no difference. I see it as scummy, father and child smoking spliffs in their own house together, fvcking cringeworthy. You claim it's some sort of 'educational' process, why allow your child to start in the first place?

Because there really isn't that much wrong with it. As with alcohol, the key is moderation. My dad supervised the consumption of my first alcoholic beverages and taught me responsible drinking habits, what the man in the video's doing is no different. Again though, he shouldn't be letting someone so young smoke.

I've been brought up in a strong, respectful family

It shows, your respect for other people's abilities to make decisions for themselves shines through in your immediately ensuing sentence:

The whole perception of 'legalise cannabis' is cringeworthy in the first place. Wasters with no respect for themselves.

So respectful, and such an accurate portrayal of every single person to smoke cannabis ever.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people having issues with the stuff, as long as they can intelligently put their case forward without reverting to moronic stereotypes. I'd be out of friends otherwise since most of them don't smoke, never have done, and have no intention of ever doing so. We are still friends despite me being a "waster with no respect for myself". Why? Because we are from respectful families, not ones that drinks cans of lager in parks with a spliff in the other hand, prematurely judging other people's worth based on one aspect of their life without knowing anything else about them.

[DB11]

You forgot nipping down to the local Tesco express, I did actually see a guy in a Sainsburys local the other week clearly stoned buying all the shit he could find

Try working in a shop! It's mad for it around evenings, especially Fridays, in the shop where I work (co op).

[James.]

I think you have to be incredibly careful when describing cannabis as having "nothing wrong with it". Even in moderation I don't think cannabis is always the harmless drug that many people make out. I talk about this from personal experience as well as the experiences of many people I know.

The key thing here is not its legality. Of course it should be decriminalised, like nearly all illegal drugs. But only on the basis that the risks, both physical and more importantly mental, are effectively communicated to any potential users. Too many people treat smoking cannabis the same as they would having a coffee, thinking that there are no ill effects. Ironically I think this is largely because it's illegal and as such there simply isn't enough sensible education out there, with much "learning" done simply through the opinion of peers as opposed to reasoned medical arguments.

[Carl the Llama]

I think you have to be incredibly careful when describing cannabis as having "nothing wrong with it". Even in moderation I don't think cannabis is always the harmless drug that many people make out. I talk about this from personal experience as well as the experiences of many people I know.

The key thing here is not its legality. Of course it should be decriminalised, like nearly all illegal drugs. But only on the basis that the risks, both physical and more importantly mental, are effectively communicated to any potential users. Too many people treat smoking cannabis the same as they would having a coffee, thinking that there are no ill effects. Ironically I think this is largely because it's illegal and as such there simply isn't enough sensible education out there, with much "learning" done simply through the opinion of peers as opposed to reasoned medical arguments.

Nobody's said there's "nothing wrong with it"... Some are making it out to be much worse than it is though.

[Samilktray]

Them 2am walks to find food when you have the munchies are thoroughly enjoyable. You just don't get the same sense of adventure when sober.

[James.]

Nobody's said there's "nothing wrong with it"... Some are making it out to be much worse than it is though.

Ok - "nothing MUCH wrong with it" then. Still misleading.

[Carl the Llama]

Ok - "nothing MUCH wrong with it" then. Still misleading.

It depends where you set the bar for 'wrongness' to be honest.

My favourite comparison is to the socially acceptable drug of choice: Alcohol. Bar the odd religious doctrine, people are free to choose their stance on alcohol and being either pro or con the stuff isn't considered controversial. As a society we accept that there are side-effects of alcohol consumption, but the overall stance is that there's not a lot wrong with it on balance, especially if consumed responsibly.

Cannabis is no more detrimental to one's personal health or society in general than alcohol if consumed responsibly (leading scientists have estimated it to be less harmful in fact, but that was raised many pages ago and the anti-legalisation crowd felt it was a contentious point, so let's just meet in the middle and say they're equally harmful overall).

Therefore, from that point of view, I stand by my wording that there "isn't much wrong" with Cannabis if we take that same attitude to something of equal 'wrongness', but I'm not an idiot and am of course aware of the myriad potential health problems that can result from its use, just as I'm aware of alcohol's.

Edited 20 March 2013 by BoxingFoxes

[Vacamion]

stupid grinning low life who partake. you know they look like the waiting room for the Jeremy Kyle show

Wasters with no respect for themselves

Ah yet more drug crazed peasant lingo

Those ad hominem arguments appear to betray a lack of confidence that you can win the argument based on the merits of your opinions.

Most people I know who partake are educated, work for a living and enjoy it on an occasional basis without harming anyone else.

[theessexfox]

Read through this topic (over a number of days) and, whilst having no opinion on it before, I now think it should be legalised.

[Finnaldo]

I'm opposed to taking cannabis myself. However I believe that considering the health issues is just paranoia, which is a lot less dangerous than tobacco, and the money spent by the Government on anti drugs raid it might as well be legalised, to save taxpayer's money at the least.

[Carl the Llama]

Gonna have my first spliff since mid-Feb tonight