Legalise cannabis?

[Rincewind]

So I guess you don't use the NHS then and get Drugs from the Dr for any ailments you have from time to time.... Some people are addicted to prescription medicine/drugs that a Dr has given them. Just out of interest, what's your view on these members of society?

Are they scum like these rest of life drug users or do you have sympathy for these folk because a legal, qualified person has authorised the use of this drug?

Stop using logic and common sense. It ruins the funny posts.

[flowwolf]

So I guess you don't use the NHS then and get Drugs from the Dr for any ailments you have from time to time.... Some people are addicted to prescription medicine/drugs that a Dr has given them. Just out of interest, what's your view on these members of society?

Are they scum like these rest of life drug users or do you have sympathy for these folk because a legal, qualified person has authorised the use of this drug?

That is just twisting words and you know it . By drugs I meant recreational , which is what the whole thread has been about. It has nothing to do with prescribed drugs.

[flowwolf]

I hope you or your family are never in the position. I doubt you have met let alone spoken to anyone who have been in this position.

But that is not your problem is it? As long as you are OK the rest of society do not matter.

No it is not my problem because I have enough intelligence to know what recreational drugs do to you and I take responsibility for my own actions. Do you mind telling me why I should care about anyone who has made that choice and become a useless boil on the bum of society ? In what way am I responsible as a member of society for them ?

[MooseBreath]

No it is not my problem because I have enough intelligence to know what recreational drugs do to you and I take responsibility for my own actions. Do you mind telling me why I should care about anyone who has made that choice and become a useless boil on the bum of society ? In what way am I responsible as a member of society for them ?

Someone needs to be blamed and it certainly can't be the users themselves. They are the victim in all of this. If all of the people who were born into perfect lives and have never had any problems give people who do have problems a bit more money then maybe they wouldn't have to turn to drugs. So it's fundamentally your fault, flowwolf. That crackhead you walk past every day, his situation is a direct result of you spending too much time enjoying your perfect, problem free life and not enough time helping the poor people who do have problems. You cannot expect anyone who has a problem to be able to deal with it themselves without turning to drugs. As a privileged individual it is up to you to seek out people with problems and then do everything in your power to provide a solution to their problem before they start shooting up. You definitely have the time and resources to do this because you've got a perfect life and have never had a problem of your own to deal with.

Edited 16 November 2012 by MooseBreath

[flowwolf]

Someone needs to be blamed and it certainly can't be the users themselves. They are the victim in all of this. If all of the people who were born into perfect lives and have never had any problems give people who do have problems a bit more money then maybe they wouldn't have to turn to drugs. So it's fundamentally your fault, flowwolf. That crackhead you walk past every day, his situation is a direct result of you spending too much time enjoying your perfect, problem free life and not enough time helping the poor people who do have problems. You cannot expect anyone who has a problem to be able to deal with it themselves without turning to drugs. As a privileged individual it is up to you to seek out people with problems and then do everything in your power to provide a solution to their problem before they start shooting up. You definitely have the time and resources to do this because you've got a perfect life and have never had a problem of your own to deal with.

That is so true, or at least it used to be until I came on here. thanks to the good and well meaning posters I now realise that my perfect life is nothing more than a sham. I am in fact a little Englander living in the past unable to comprehend what the new and modern world is all about.

I now realise that such mundane things as Drug abuse , backward religions who blow people up on the bus or tube, or Homosexuals parading up and down the street shouting how proud they are, are in fact mere bagatelles in the rich tapestry of modern day society, and indeed nothing to get upset or sound off about.

I also stand guilty of not caring a fvck about the aforementioned and because of that attitude I'm going to Hell in a hand cart. It's all down hill from here. :(

Edited 16 November 2012 by flowwolf

[AdamN]

I swear MooseBreath just has arguments with himself.

[flowwolf]

I swear MooseBreath just has arguments with himself.

Even if he does he will win.

[Samilktray]

I wish they'd legalise it just so I wouldn't have to ring around trying to pick up. What a bloody inconvenience that is.

[Carl the Llama]

No it is not my problem because I have enough intelligence to know what recreational drugs do to you and I take responsibility for my own actions. Do you mind telling me why I should care about anyone who has made that choice and become a useless boil on the bum of society ? In what way am I responsible as a member of society for them ?

That is so true, or at least it used to be until I came on here. thanks to the good and well meaning posters I now realise that my perfect life is nothing more than a sham. I am in fact a little Englander living in the past unable to comprehend what the new and modern world is all about.

I now realise that such mundane things as Drug abuse , backward religions who blow people up on the bus or tube, or Homosexuals parading up and down the street shouting how proud they are, are in fact mere bagatelles in the rich tapestry of modern day society, and indeed nothing to get upset or sound off about.

I also stand guilty of not caring a fvck about the aforementioned and because of that attitude I'm going to Hell in a hand cart. It's all down hill from here. :(

Oh God, why am I biting?

The first quote, despite your pretensions, shows just how little intelligence you have vis-a-vis drug taking. You still seem to think there is an epidemic of drug addicts yet I'll bet you've never seen more than one or two in your life, but hey, why question the anti-drug propaganda spread and funded by the large alcohol companies?

2nd quote:

- Drug abuse and use are very different things.

- Homosexuals "[parade] up and down the street shouting how proud they are" once a year. Is there even a pride parade in Leicester? If so, don't go into town on that one day of the year and you won't have to worry about seeing decent, ordinary folk being rounded up by men in dresses and women with short hair and dungarees, before being goose stepped to the nearest LGBT salon so they can be brainwashed into the ways of homosexuality. That's how it spreads you know. Did you know they run a class for small children every Sunday morning where they indoctrinate them with their wild beliefs about being equal and having as much of a right to life as straight people?

-"Backward religions". One: I'd like to know what a 'forward' religion is. Two: It is true that terrorist attacks as we define them are all carried out by Muslims but the problem isn't the religion,

the problem's the people who have applied the religion in awful ways and/or backwards, self interested political leaders twisting religion to their own needs. Nobody considers the Westborough Baptists to be emblematic of Christian society, so why ignore the fact that Islam is an equally peaceful religion by applying different logic to it?

You are a very misguided man and although your beliefs haven't done you any harm, that's massively missing the point when the collective of people who think like you allow hate and grave misconceptions to entwine themselves into the fabric of our society, negatively affecting people who aren't like you.

Edited 16 November 2012 by BoxingFoxes

[Nick]

Oh God, why am I biting?

The first quote, despite your pretensions, shows just how little intelligence you have vis-a-vis drug taking. You still seem to think there is an epidemic of drug addicts yet I'll bet you've never seen more than one or two in your life, but hey, why question the anti-drug propaganda spread and funded by the large alcohol companies?

2nd quote:

- Drug abuse and use are very different things.

- Homosexuals "[parade] up and down the street shouting how proud they are" once a year. Is there even a pride parade in Leicester? If so, don't go into town on that one day of the year and you won't have to worry about seeing decent, ordinary folk being rounded up by men in dresses and women with short hair and dungarees, before being goose stepped to the nearest LGBT salon so they can be brainwashed into the ways of homosexuality. That's how it spreads you know. Did you know they run a class for small children every Sunday morning where they indoctrinate them with their wild beliefs about being equal and having as much of a right to life as straight people?

-"Backward religions". One: I'd like to know what a 'forward' religion is. Two: It is true that terrorist attacks as we define them are all carried out by Muslims but the problem isn't the religion,

the problem's the people who have applied the religion in awful ways and/or backwards, self interested political leaders twisting religion to their own needs. Nobody considers the Westborough Baptists to be emblematic of Christian society, so why ignore the fact that Islam is an equally peaceful religion by applying different logic to it?

You are a very misguided man and although your beliefs haven't done you any harm, that's massively missing the point when the collective of people who think like you allow hate and grave misconceptions to entwine themselves into the fabric of our society, negatively affecting people who aren't like you.

[Steven]

Oh God, why am I biting?

The first quote, despite your pretensions, shows just how little intelligence you have vis-a-vis drug taking. You still seem to think there is an epidemic of drug addicts yet I'll bet you've never seen more than one or two in your life, but hey, why question the anti-drug propaganda spread and funded by the large alcohol companies?

2nd quote:

- Drug abuse and use are very different things.

- Homosexuals "[parade] up and down the street shouting how proud they are" once a year. Is there even a pride parade in Leicester? If so, don't go into town on that one day of the year and you won't have to worry about seeing decent, ordinary folk being rounded up by men in dresses and women with short hair and dungarees, before being goose stepped to the nearest LGBT salon so they can be brainwashed into the ways of homosexuality. That's how it spreads you know. Did you know they run a class for small children every Sunday morning where they indoctrinate them with their wild beliefs about being equal and having as much of a right to life as straight people?

-"Backward religions". One: I'd like to know what a 'forward' religion is. Two: It is true that terrorist attacks as we define them are all carried out by Muslims but the problem isn't the religion,

the problem's the people who have applied the religion in awful ways and/or backwards, self interested political leaders twisting religion to their own needs. Nobody considers the Westborough Baptists to be emblematic of Christian society, so why ignore the fact that Islam is an equally peaceful religion by applying different logic to it?

You are a very misguided man and although your beliefs haven't done you any harm, that's massively missing the point when the collective of people who think like you allow hate and grave misconceptions to entwine themselves into the fabric of our society, negatively affecting people who aren't like you.

Quite.

[flowwolf]

Never the less that was a rather large chunk you chewed. I would be very interested in why you think it is necessary for homosexuals to have any sort of parade in the first place. I mean what is the point ? yes we know they like to dress up as women or pre pubescent boys and yes we know for some reason they feel proud of their sexuality. But who exactly are they trying to convince ? Do you think the powers to be would allow a Heterosexual parade if we were ever desperate enough to want one ?

As for religions they are all backwards in terms of human development I never said anything about " forward " religions.

As for drugs I do know the extent of the problem probably more than you do , having worked for over ten years in a job that came across the direct results of drug abuse on a daily basis.. ps Nicky boy put up or shut up .

Edited 16 November 2012 by flowwolf

[Carl the Llama]

Never the less that was a rather large chunk you chewed. I would be very interested in why you think it is necessary for homosexuals to have any sort of parade in the first place. I mean what is the point ? yes we know they like to dress up as women or pre pubescent boys and yes we know for some reason they feel proud of their sexuality. But who exactly are they trying to convince ? Do you think the powers to be would allow a Heterosexual parade if we were ever desperate enough to want one ?

Well, I imagine if heteros had spent centuries being oppressed for their sexual nature, we'd probably want a parade or something to let people know we aren't so bad.

As for religions they are all backwards in terms of human development I never said anything about " forward " religions.

Fair enough, and agreed even. ( ) You didn't have to frame it as though you thought Islam was special in its backwardness mind.

As for drugs I do know the extent of the problem probably more than you do , having worked for over ten years in a job that came across the direct results of drug abuse on a daily basis.. ps Nicky boy put up or shut up .

What work did you do? Surely you have more constructive assertions to make than to simply label all recreational drug use as bad in that case?

[Nick]

What work did you do? Surely you have more constructive assertions to make than to simply label all recreational drug use as bad in that case?

[Carl the Llama]

Sorry for not stalking Flowy?

[Nick]

Sorry for not stalking Flowy?

no as it had all gone quiet, I was just putting forward a suggestion as to his previous occupation that brought him in to contact with drug users - but couldn't resist the camp image to use as a vehicle.

[Rincewind]

There are many reasons why people start using drugs. OK they should not start in the first place but circumstances cannot always be controlled. Mariage break ups, death of a loved one wife child father husband, bullying at school. debt anxiety stress to name a few reasons to lead someone down the drug path. Can anyone truly say that if they suffered any of the above they would just shrug it off and carry on in a jolly way? Everybody has different levels of self control in how they deal with what life throws at us. What is wrong with those that are stronger giving a little help to those not so strong instead of kicking them further into the mire that they find themselves in?

[foz.foz]

Stop using logic and common sense. It ruins the funny posts.

Sorry fella. Just bugs me when folk try and get on their high moral horse preaching about "drugs" being really bad for ya and then don't give two shits if a Dr has prescribed them something and they start throwing the pills down their face like there's no tomorrow without a care.

That is just twisting words and you know it . By drugs I meant recreational , which is what the whole thread has been about. It has nothing to do with prescribed drugs.

Recreational for you might be a necessity for someone else IE a few pints down the pub on a weekend is recreational for you but for the George bests of the world its needed to function and exist. And although cannabis is non addictive, people need/use it daily to function.

Just out of curiosity Flowwolf, are you a Daily Mail fan because they spout the same lines as you?

[MooseBreath]

There are many reasons why people start using drugs. OK they should not start in the first place but circumstances cannot always be controlled. Mariage break ups, death of a loved one wife child father husband, bullying at school. debt anxiety stress to name a few reasons to lead someone down the drug path. Can anyone truly say that if they suffered any of the above they would just shrug it off and carry on in a jolly way? Everybody has different levels of self control in how they deal with what life throws at us. What is wrong with those that are stronger giving a little help to those not so strong instead of kicking them further into the mire that they find themselves in?

Already made this post for you this morning matey, just up the page

[Webbo]

Recreational for you might be a necessity for someone else IE a few pints down the pub on a weekend is recreational for you but for the George bests of the world its needed to function and exist.

So George Best was prescribed beer?

[Rincewind]

and sex.

[Webbo]

and sex.

Makes you wonder where his life went wrong.

[Rincewind]

At a young age.

[flowwolf]

Well, I imagine if heteros had spent centuries being oppressed for their sexual nature, we'd probably want a parade or something to let people know we aren't so bad.

Fair enough, and agreed even. ( ) You didn't have to frame it as though you thought Islam was special in its backwardness mind.

What work did you do? Surely you have more constructive assertions to make than to simply label all recreational drug use as bad in that case?

Yes but I think by now we have kind of got the message about homosexual repression, Of course criminalisation of some ones sexual leanings was both stupid and unworkable and has quite rightly been put in the dustbin of history, but I ask again what fvck is this yearly homosexual parade all about ? Do they realise that no one gives a fvck except themselves. I think it has more to do with their inbuilt Narcissism than flogging to death the message of their emancipation

As you ask I actually do think Islam is the most backward religion in the world .Stoning women to death for adultery all while being cheered on by the faithful Islamic crowds, shooting young women in the head for daring to ask to be educated are just a few of this barbaric religions shameful acts.

And finally on recreational drugs. Someone on here stated that cannabis is not an addictive drug , well there are two categories physical addiction and psychological addiction perhaps they should take a look at a high profile cannabis user like George Michael who openly admits he can't get through life without it and he's not on his own. Paranoia is a widely excepted side affect of Cannabis and the lethargy produced in the individual makes for a unemployable person.

As for my previous employment I do not feel comfortable stating that on a forum such as this but I can assure asinine Nick it was most definitely not the police , not even the camp ones.

[flowwolf]

Sorry fella. Just bugs me when folk try and get on their high moral horse preaching about "drugs" being really bad for ya and then don't give two shits if a Dr has prescribed them something and they start throwing the pills down their face like there's no tomorrow without a care.

Recreational for you might be a necessity for someone else IE a few pints down the pub on a weekend is recreational for you but for the George bests of the world its needed to function and exist. And although cannabis is non addictive, people need/use it daily to function.

Just out of curiosity Flowwolf, are you a Daily Mail fan because they spout the same lines as you?

Sorry but you need to do your homework cannabis IS addictive and one of it's main by products is the feeling of paranoia. Mind you It could be of benefit to someone suffering from anorexia , the need to stuff the face with food would soon have them looking healthy again.

As for being a Daily Mail fan no chance. I don't need a paper to do my thinking for me. But the fact that it is the best selling tabloid in the country must tell you something about how the majority of the British public think about drugs recreational or hard. As I have already said in this thread no political party in this country would dare to run as one of it's election pledges that it will decriminalise the use of cannabis, the millions of Daily Mail readers would simply never elect them. Wether you like that or not that is the real state of play in this country.