Legalise cannabis?

[Rincewind]

Decriminalization would not necessary make drug taking more widespread if regulated correctly. There would be strict control and no infected drugs would be sold as it is now. ButI agree with the last part. No Government or politician will propose it because of the reputation and image that has been fed to the public via the tabloids.

Like prostitution if that was legalised. There would be regular check ups for the girls. They would trade in clean environments, they would pay tax and would not be beat up by pimps and clients. But governments will not do it because it is something they can bring laws that will satisfy the moral feeling ofmany of the public and win votes.

[flowwolf]

Decriminalization would not necessary make drug taking more widespread if regulated correctly. There would be strict control and no infected drugs would be sold as it is now. ButI agree with the last part. No Government or politician will propose it because of the reputation and image that has been fed to the public via the tabloids.

Like prostitution if that was legalised. There would be regular check ups for the girls. They would trade in clean environments, they would pay tax and would not be beat up by pimps and clients. But governments will not do it because it is something they can bring laws that will satisfy the moral feeling ofmany of the public and win votes.

You are patronising again "fed to the public" . Why do you assume that all the public are thick and make their minds up solely on Tabloids ? You do rate yourself very highly don't you. All you do is parrot left wing socialist ideas thinking you know better than the majority of the public. Has it ever crossed your mind that people do have morals and quite rightly look down on prostitutes and drug abusers ? no you and your great intellectual mind would rather make excuse after excuse for these poor misunderstood creatures.

Edited 17 November 2012 by flowwolf

[Carl the Llama]

Yes but I think by now we have kind of got the message about homosexual repression, Of course criminalisation of some ones sexual leanings was both stupid and unworkable and has quite rightly been put in the dustbin of history, but I ask again what fvck is this yearly homosexual parade all about ? Do they realise that no one gives a fvck except themselves. I think it has more to do with their inbuilt Narcissism than flogging to death the message of their emancipation

As you ask I actually do think Islam is the most backward religion in the world .Stoning women to death for adultery all while being cheered on by the faithful Islamic crowds, shooting young women in the head for daring to ask to be educated are just a few of this barbaric religions shameful acts.

And finally on recreational drugs. Someone on here stated that cannabis is not an addictive drug , well there are two categories physical addiction and psychological addiction perhaps they should take a look at a high profile cannabis user like George Michael who openly admits he can't get through life without it and he's not on his own. Paranoia is a widely excepted side affect of Cannabis and the lethargy produced in the individual makes for a unemployable person.

As for my previous employment I do not feel comfortable stating that on a forum such as this but I can assure asinine Nick it was most definitely not the police , not even the camp ones.

I'm sorry that gays pose such a threat to your sense of security, I really am.

I never argued that cannabis wasn't addictive and I don't care if somebody else made that false allegation. I even addressed long-term issues such as paranoia a few pages back and fully endorse education before inhalation. I am personally well aware of the potential negative outcomes of cannabis use and do my best to mitigate them when I partake. My point to you has always been that it is a safer drug than the number one legal recreational one and that its use is nowhere near as harmful to person and society as you seem convinced that it is. I am also one of the many who feel quite certain that the economic benefits of controlled distribution would measure in the high millions, perhaps even billions if you add capital not otherwise lost to capital gained. No need to drag out your political campaign argument again - it has been noted and for the time being it is unarguably the case. I believe that the political stance is not the correct one however.

Even if you can't state your previous employment, I'd like you to at least give us an accurate idea of your engagement with people who have drug problems and, more importantly, why you feel so convinced that they were not worst-case scenarios but in fact part of a terrible, countrywide epidemic. I think that's fair enough given your stance and your (seemingly exaggerated) personal experience based claims, which to me are useless with no background as to what sort of 'experience' you mean. (If you were in A&E, for instance, then I'd say it's pretty obvious you'd see the worst-case scenarios on the regular, and might gain a skewed outlook as a result.)

Edit: Oops, forgot to address the Muslims (although we're getting far enough off topic as it is). The events you describe would not be condoned by the vast majority of Muslims in the west. The problem is the governance and individuals, not the religion - but I accept in that area of the world it can often be hard, impossible even, to separate the two. Of course I don't think your examples were acceptable actions, nor do I think it fair to blame all of Islam. The KKK were 'Christian' for example. All Christians aren't racist murderers though. Some people find it convenient to use religion to 'justify' their hateful, barbaric behaviour.

Edited 17 November 2012 by BoxingFoxes

[Daggers]

I've seen the needle and the damage done...

[21st Century Fox]

I've seen the needle and the damage done...

A little part of it in everyone.

[Rincewind]

You are patronising again "fed to the public" . Why do you assume that all the public are thick and make their minds up solely on Tabloids ? You do rate yourself very highly don't you. All you do is parrot left wing socialist ideas thinking you know better than the majority of the public. Has it ever crossed your mind that people do have morals and quite rightly look down on prostitutes and drug abusers ? no you and your great intellectual mind would rather make excuse after excuse for these poor misunderstood creatures.

I was agreeing with you about the readers of the Mail would not stand for legalisation. I deliberately avoided naming the paper as I did not want to sound biassed. Of course everone does not take it all in but the MP's and papers have a way of put over views that will get a lot of the public to agree with them. It is not always what they say. Sometimes it's what they don't say. I'm talking about politicians of all parties. I do not care for any of them. Most are two-faced and out for themselves. If one party said an apple was white the opposition would say it was black.

[AdamN]

the lethargy produced in the individual makes for a unemployable person.

Any less employable than an alcoholic?

[IOWFOX]

Any less employable than an alcoholic?

Was just think the exact same thing. Got a friend that smokes every day, yet does 60 hour weeks in boat yards.Maybe he is just magic or more than likely, people are just morons. Think this song sums it up pretty well.

[Steven]

Think this song sums it up pretty well.

Quite.

[flowwolf]

Any less employable than an alcoholic?

Of course not . :blink:

[flowwolf]

Was just think the exact same thing. Got a friend that smokes every day, yet does 60 hour weeks in boat yards.Maybe he is just magic or more than likely, people are just morons. Think this song sums it up pretty well.

Just what I need to set my thoughts straight a song from a piss poor drug taking white trash kiddies band . :D

Edited 18 November 2012 by flowwolf

[Steven]

Just what I need to set my thoughts straight a song from a piss poor drug taking white trash kiddies band . :D

You will be calling for a ban on these substances I presume.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-alert-over-energy-shot-drinks-8326453.html

[foz.foz]

Sorry but you need to do your homework cannabis IS addictive and one of it's main by products is the feeling of paranoia. Mind you It could be of benefit to someone suffering from anorexia , the need to stuff the face with food would soon have them looking healthy again.

As for being a Daily Mail fan no chance. I don't need a paper to do my thinking for me. But the fact that it is the best selling tabloid in the country must tell you something about how the majority of the British public think about drugs recreational or hard. As I have already said in this thread no political party in this country would dare to run as one of it's election pledges that it will decriminalise the use of cannabis, the millions of Daily Mail readers would simply never elect them. Wether you like that or not that is the real state of play in this country.

Sorry fella but if this were the case, every UK stoner thats been to Amsterdam would be blocking up the NHS with major addiction issues. I'm not saying it doesn't cause one or two people health problems of some sort or another but to say it's physically addictive is one of the wild rumours that goes with this drug. Psychologically you may get people with issues but not physical. May be the tobacco that's been added to make a joint is the addictive element.

"Mind you It could be of benefit to someone suffering from anorexia , the need to stuff the face with food would soon have them looking healthy again."

My opinion of you has just changed for the better. You have seen a benefit of this "evil" drug that people go on about. If it was prescribed to people suffering from anorexia, a more positive light may be cast on Marijuana if it were to help them with weight gain. Some how though I can't see it being used any time in the foreseeable future.

On a final note from me on this thread (unless I have to bite ) take a read of this. Its from the Daily Mail .

[adam1]

Lets have a switcheroo.

Alcohol is currently banned and this thread is asking "Legalise Alcohol?" Cannabis is legal. Mass consumption of cannabis to the same extent as alcohol is now.

Think carefully about it.

Don't legalise cannabis.

[Rincewind]

There are people that use it for medical rasons but because of it being illegal they are forced to obtain it illegally meaning they do not know what type they are getting. If it was prescribed then the quality could be controlled.

[Vacamion]

Mass consumption of cannabis to the same extent as alcohol is now.

But, as this thread has established, there would be entirely different outcomes.

The effects of alcohol and THC are different. They do different things to the brain and to the rest of the body.

Therefore your argument is unconvincing.

[Rincewind]

TBH I do not like drug use. Bloke in flat next door to me is easily led and I am sure he lets dealers in to trade in the passage way. He has had mental and alcohol issures in the past and been released 'into the community' Been there a few years forget howet many

I am only going on rumours and hearsay. The smoke/fire alarm was set off a few weeks back and a couple of youths were seen running away. Bloke next door swears he did not set it off yet the panel indicated his flat. Says it was two young men but shrugged his shoulders and said not me when I asked who let them in.

Got a housing officer coming round to discuss it with me in the morning.

I do not want my neighbour to get in trouble as generally he is OK. No loud music etc but it is the visits I am against. For me if the drug was legalised it might stop them. It is not the users but the dealers that I want to be done.

[flowwolf]

Sorry fella but if this were the case, every UK stoner thats been to Amsterdam would be blocking up the NHS with major addiction issues. I'm not saying it doesn't cause one or two people health problems of some sort or another but to say it's physically addictive is one of the wild rumours that goes with this drug. Psychologically you may get people with issues but not physical. May be the tobacco that's been added to make a joint is the addictive element.

My opinion of you has just changed for the better. You have seen a benefit of this "evil" drug that people go on about. If it was prescribed to people suffering from anorexia, a more positive light may be cast on Marijuana if it were to help them with weight gain. Some how though I can't see it being used any time in the foreseeable future.

On a final note from me on this thread (unless I have to bite ) take a read of this. Its from the Daily Mail .

Well I suppose if you are dying like this poor chap what difference would it make what you took ? If it were unlucky enough to be me I would have a go at heroin what has he got to lose ?

[Steven]

Well I suppose if you are dying like this poor chap what difference would it make what you took ? If it were unlucky enough to be me I would have a go at heroin what has he got to lose ?

Cannabis is a curative and heroin is only a palliative.

[flowwolf]

Cannabis is a curative and heroin is only a palliative.

He best see if cannabis can weed it out then.

[Steven]

Portugal's experience.

http://12160.info/group/marijuanagodsplant/forum/topics/drugs-in-portugal-did-decriminalization-work

[Steven]

[flowwolf]

It all depends if you believe every thing you are told by governments and their so called experts, personally I never have and never will.

[James.]

Really interesting article in The Guardian on the problems in Mexico that I read on Saturday:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/30/mexico-drug-war-tierra-caliente-calderon

According to the article since December 2006 when Calderón started an offensive against organised crime between 60,000 and 100,000 people have been killed.

And people still think the "war on drugs" is a war worth fighting.

[Steven]

Really interesting article in The Guardian on the problems in Mexico that I read on Saturday:

http://www.guardian....liente-calderon

According to the article since December 2006 when Calderón started an offensive against organised crime between 60,000 and 100,000 people have been killed.

And people still think the "war on drugs" is a war worth fighting.

Quite.