Yojoe36 Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Just want to know peoples opinion, cause I'm a nosy bastard
Babylon Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Just want to know peoples opinion, cause I'm a nosy bastard
SMX11 Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Yep, the Euro zone needs to sort their mess among themselves with our support from a distance and not in and amongst them.
Guest MattP Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Absolutely correct, he had no other option considering the financial state of Britain at the minute, If the other EU members cannot make a concession to Britain's need to protect activities in the city of London which generates so much of the UK's revenue, then Britain is better off out of the deal. In any case it is the euro countries that have created their own crisis, not us, they should deal with it.
Babylon Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Perhaps in return we should ask for an extra transaction tax on cars, apple strudel, cheese and champagne.
Yojoe36 Posted 9 December 2011 Author Posted 9 December 2011 Someone needs to change the swashsticker to the eu flag
Babylon Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Someone needs to change the swash sticker to the eu flag Yeah I mean it's not like the Germans run the EU or anything With the cheese eating surrender monkeys alongside them.
Yojoe36 Posted 9 December 2011 Author Posted 9 December 2011 Cameron has balls anyway. I bet if it was that pussy Miliband, he'd say yes, so the French wouldn't bully him. I'm not being biased, btw
davieG Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 I get the feeling we'll pay for it anyway through other means and additional EU regulations. I think it was a case of buggered if we did or didn't so he went with the no because at least it will appeal to the voters of this country and make him look 'tough'
Libertine Dream Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 It was a no win situation really, he had to keep to his word and he's done well to stand up against an EU which thought we were soft. However we could suffer in the long term and maybe be pushed out of the EU as we know it. The French are the problem, the Germans don't despise us like Sarkosy does. The French know they could get left behind if we strike an agreement with Germans and without them or us the French are nowhere.
Rincewind Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 He is a politician so what we think does not matter.
wurmer Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 He basically decided that the UK wasn't going to board the Titanic... The whole thing is doomed to failure, the Greeks, Spanish and Italians aren't going to change overnight due to any 'treaty' being agreed... Good decision.
fatboytim Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 I don't know the ins and outs of the EU and don't really understand all the summits and agreements that our politicians go over to block,umm, negotiate. But I am hugely in favour of our financial services paying their fair share and so totally agree with a financial transactions tax ( or Robin Hood Tax ) and I think part of what Cameron did was say the UK wouldn't introduce one, even if the rest of the EU does so imo he didn't do the right thing at all.
sdb Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 record unemploment public sector strikes euro leaders now make calls without us riots on the streets rich getting richer, the poor, poorer... doin' good...
21st Century Fox Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 I think it remains to be seen whether its a good decision or not, we'll have to see how it plays out. We'll save money no doubt but we're on the other side of the door when it comes to some big decisions and talks. I don't think he's handled it too well, not gaining a single ally though. Seems like bad diplomacy but it'll play great for his backbenchers.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Absolutely right ......and good for him ! No way do we want debt servitude ........unlike generations of Greeks ,Irish ,Italians ,Spanish,Belgian & Portuguese have now, in order to pay back the Euro Creditors,principally The Germans and the French! It used to be that the lender took the hit for irresponsible lending & learnt the lesson from it ....now they want their pounds of flesh !!
Guest Dirkster the Fox Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 Quick point: If Germany was told by all other EU members to effectively give up or endanger the existence of their car industry (11% German GDP) would Merkel say yes? Last night the UK was told by all other EU members to effectively give up or endanger the existence of our Financial Sector (10-12% UK GDP) would you expect Cameron to have said yes, no worries Merkozie? Forget hating bankers, They're here to stay and without their revenue (currently) we're ****ed! Cameron grew a pair.
Fox1651 Posted 9 December 2011 Posted 9 December 2011 He is a politician so what we think does not matter.
leicsmac Posted 10 December 2011 Posted 10 December 2011 Quick point: If Germany was told by all other EU members to effectively give up or endanger the existence of their car industry (11% German GDP) would Merkel say yes? Last night the UK was told by all other EU members to effectively give up or endanger the existence of our Financial Sector (10-12% UK GDP) would you expect Cameron to have said yes, no worries Merkozie? Forget hating bankers, They're here to stay and without their revenue (currently) we're ****ed! Cameron grew a pair. Never ever ever ever. They got us into this situation (including talking people into making unwise mortgage/loan agreements) and now they're doing fvck all to help, instead making sure taxpayers pick up the tab, backed by a media that's paid to tell the public 'it's actually your fault'. And where is all of this supposed 'wealth creation' that they do going at the moment? Doesn't seem to be going into the national economy, does it? Silk-shirt wearing, coke-snorting arrogant fvckers! We're fvcked with or without them so if they threaten to clear off again - let them! We don't need their parasitism (which is what they are right now). /rant Anyway, on the actual topic I agree that Cameron was damned either way - he's going to piss off a lot of people whatever he did, so he concentrated on appealing to his political base. What the effect of his actions will be...well, who knows?
Babylon Posted 10 December 2011 Posted 10 December 2011 I don't know the ins and outs of the EU and don't really understand all the summits and agreements that our politicians go over to block,umm, negotiate. But I am hugely in favour of our financial services paying their fair share and so totally agree with a financial transactions tax ( or Robin Hood Tax ) and I think part of what Cameron did was say the UK wouldn't introduce one, even if the rest of the EU does so imo he didn't do the right thing at all. The problem is our financial sector is so much greater than anything any other euro country has. Which means a huge slice of our GDP could potentially go missing compared to other countries.
callis Posted 10 December 2011 Posted 10 December 2011 Eu costs this country approx 50 milllion per day and 120 billion in regualation. I say get out of it totally and trade with other circles if needed. Its not like they buy of us more than we buy of them.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 December 2011 Posted 10 December 2011 Eu costs this country approx 50 milllion per day and 120 billion in regualation. I say get out of it totally and trade with other circles if needed. Its not like they buy of us more than we buy of them. EU members are most of our Export market. It may be that we drift apart from them politically but we need them as trading partners.
davieG Posted 10 December 2011 Posted 10 December 2011 EU members are most of our Export market. It may be that we drift apart from them politically but we need them as trading partners. Is that because being in the EU discourages trade with other countries or at least agreeing deals better than we can get with EU countries? I genuinely don't know.
callis Posted 10 December 2011 Posted 10 December 2011 well i also think we are a massive importer of EU products, if they stop buying we swith to the north america/canada markets. We import alot more than we export to the eu.
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