Happy Fox Posted 10 March 2012 Posted 10 March 2012 So what IS the problem? If we are good as you say why the general shitness? Are you implying both Sven and Pearson are both crap managers? I think you may have a point their what we needed after Sven was someone not accustomed to the players i.e NP someone like a horrible bastard of a manager Davies, Warnock type figure, but now we are stuck with NP so we may as well see what he is made of come the summer.
Corky Posted 10 March 2012 Posted 10 March 2012 Something's not been right since the Reading home match. At Coventry we didn't play particularly well, but had some grit and determination which all sides need. Reading was a poor display which set us back, and Bristol City was just farcically bad. Since then we've been up and down, and have never looked convincing enough to stay in and around the top six for a length of time. The problem has been season-long.
MarkHowieLCFC Posted 10 March 2012 Posted 10 March 2012 Wonder what kind of wage differences there is amongst our players? I know if I was in a team and the guy next to me doing the same job was earning more, it'd cause problems...is this maybe the feeling among our players?
mhs123 Posted 11 March 2012 Author Posted 11 March 2012 I'd disagree. It takes time and stability to build a successful side. I think the lads do care and we've got the right manager. Pearson's had to come in and change the mentality of the club. Success doesn't happen over night. We've got the right pieces Pearson's just got to learn how to put them together properly. its one big jig-saw is it not
Karljohn Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 Perhaps he is not having the right place in the team, or not the good players to serve him for goal. Wingers what did we have today? four league goals in 26 games is a piss poor return, dont think he's scored a single goal away from home? sometimes its not about service, its about getting involved, for that, see David Nugent.
yorkie1999 Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 If you ask yourself which of our players could hack it in the premiership I think a lot of questions could be answered. If we went up a lot of them would be out of a job so it stands to reason some of them are protecting themselves by staying in the championship. Cynical I know, but if I were on 20-30k a week with only a few years of my career left the last thing id be doing would be potentially risking my job.
blueharmie Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 mills in that game against reading at home, jesus christ he was like a bullied school child. he needs to shut up and show pearson some respect and we need to start getting stuck into games.
marbelladave Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 So what IS the problem? If we are good as you say why the general shitness? Are you implying both Sven and Pearson are both crap managers? It's all in the mind Col...... There have been tons of posts in the last few weeks telling us how great Wellens has been, how Danns is now showing his best form and how Dyer is much improved. If this is even close to being true, why is our midfield still so shit?..... To many players going through the motions, doing a bit here and there to catch the eye and look good and a complete failure to put in the hard yards where it really matters...... Playing for (with?) themselves, no team spirit, no intensity, even our 'good' play is largely negative, slow buildup, passing the ball around for show, no real attempt to take the play to the opposition with pace or aggression. Too many players taking the money and not earning it and that, frankly, is taking the piss!
cc_star Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 It's all in the mind Col...... There have been tons of posts in the last few weeks telling us how great Wellens has been, how Danns is now showing his best form and how Dyer is much improved. If this is even close to being true, why is our midfield still so shit?..... To many players going through the motions, doing a bit here and there to catch the eye and look good and a complete failure to put in the hard yards where it really matters...... Playing for (with?) themselves, no team spirit, no intensity, even our 'good' play is largely negative, slow buildup, passing the ball around for show, no real attempt to take the play to the opposition with pace or aggression. Too many players taking the money and not earning it and that, frankly, is taking the piss! Well the midfield wasn't really shit when we won 7 in 10 with 5 clean sheets, or are you saying it was? Dyer really stretched opposition, Wellens bossed it when he played in opposing half, Danns bossed everyone Problem is, everyone's inconsistant they'll do 3 or 4 good games, followed by a couple of woeful games. However, the one person who never seems to do his job (putting the ball in the back of the net), yet he's one of the first names on the team sheet is Beckford... It's not like there's much else to his game if he isn't scoring either Wonder where we'd be if he was banging in roughly 1 in 2, we'd have won a few of draws & drew a few of defeats. When Beckford's interested in games like forest at home, Southampton & a few games after he's happy to go the extra mile, lose his man, make runs and gets found by the midfield, but for the overwhelming number of games he's happy just to go through the motions, generally standing marked, ducking his responsibility of finding space and stretching the opposition to receive a pass from our midfield... knowing he's a guaranteed start the following week, & if he's not he'll get a transfer anyway. In our poor games there really is no team-play, no intensity and everyone bar Kasper & Konch seems to be just taking the money (and plenty of it too)
marbelladave Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 Well the midfield wasn't really shit when we won 7 in 10 with 5 clean sheets, or are you saying it was? Dyer really stretched opposition, Wellens bossed it when he played in opposing half, Danns bossed everyone Problem is, everyone's inconsistant they'll do 3 or 4 good games, followed by a couple of woeful games. However, the one person who never seems to do his job (putting the ball in the back of the net), yet he's one of the first names on the team sheet is Beckford... It's not like there's much else to his game if he isn't scoring either Wonder where we'd be if he was banging in roughly 1 in 2, we'd have won a few of draws & drew a few of defeats. When Beckford's interested in games like forest at home, Southampton & a few games after he's happy to go the extra mile, lose his man, make runs and gets found by the midfield, but for the overwhelming number of games he's happy just to go through the motions, generally standing marked, ducking his responsibility of finding space and stretching the opposition to receive a pass from our midfield... knowing he's a guaranteed start the following week, & if he's not he'll get a transfer anyway. In our poor games there really is no team-play, no intensity and everyone bar Kasper & Konch seems to be just taking the money (and plenty of it too) But it really was not that great either was it, Lets be honest here, Forest, Swindon, Coventry and Derby were woeful, Norwich didn't give a fook, the only really decent performances were against Cardiff and Southhampton. Anyway, I go back to what i said, if Dyer, Wellens and Danns are so effective why, in that same timespan, have we lost to Brighton, Watford, Bristol and Reading?...... Beckford might not be very effective but given the support and the service he gets it is hardly surprising, playing infront of a midfield that pisses around playing tippy-tappy until our strikers are all well marked then hoofing it up to them in the air is not exactly my idea of good play. OK Beckford could make more effort but that really is not his game, I've said it all season, the wrong player for us in just about every possible way.....
foxaholic Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 If you ask yourself which of our players could hack it in the premiership I think a lot of questions could be answered. If we went up a lot of them would be out of a job so it stands to reason some of them are protecting themselves by staying in the championship. Cynical I know, but if I were on 20-30k a week with only a few years of my career left the last thing id be doing would be potentially risking my job.
J.Lisemore Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 It is a bit ridiculous that we pay players like Beckford 30 grand a week while playing in the same league as teams like Posh who have a wage cap around 3000. They beat Blackpool 3-1 today..I suppose we'll see what difference spending 10 times more makes when we play them both before the end of the month. The funny thing is, I'd say Tyrone Barnett is better than Beckford. Fair play to Beckford though, getting paid silly money and making us look stupid.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 The funny thing is, I'd say Tyrone Barnett is better than Beckford. Fair play to Beckford though, getting paid silly money and making us look stupid. And I get accused of dissing Beckford!
foxaholic Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 The point that players at Leicester know they will be out of workif they get promoted and they can keepon good wages in the championship is completely overlooked . I bet they put up a good performance at Chelsea and proved this theory with the performance at Norwich .We have dropped 23 points against bottom 8 sides but always win Derbies I wonder why .
deep blue Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 So what IS the problem? If we are good as you say why the general shitness? Are you implying both Sven and Pearson are both crap managers? It's a mystery. Is there still dissension within the squad? Are big wage differences still causing resentments & problems? Whatever, how can you explain that in some games or parts of games we play as a team, with energy, and follow obvious on-the-field tactics such as getting in the face of the opposition and maintaining a tight team grouping. Whereas at other times (unfortunately more often) our players behave as if these concepts are alien to them. According to the reports on the Bristol City match, the opposition more than made up for their individual inferiority with greater will to win, team spirit and team ethic. We keep getting players spouting that they still think we can get into the play-offs and will give it their all, so why can't they do what they should have been doing for some time now - treating each game as if it were a cup final? Do they really want promotion? Have they the character for it? More questions than answers!
J.Lisemore Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 And I get accused of dissing Beckford! Just the way I see it mate. Put it this way, I have more confidence in Barnett scoring against us, than Beckford scoring for us.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 March 2012 Posted 11 March 2012 Just the way I see it mate. Put it this way, I have more confidence in Barnett scoring against us, than Beckford scoring for us. You get me wrong mate.. I'm wiv ya...
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