Is changing the manager the right thing?

[accessory]

It is all about channeling those energies on the pitch, we have a mixture of players those whose attitudes are bad, and crap inconsistent players, if NP can get rid of those players in question than we will see what he is made of I am far from convinced that will happen Mills will go, Beckford sadly will go. The probability that Wellens, Howard, Gallagher and Dyer still being here will be high!

Because they did a job for Pearson the first time here? The problem is time has moved on, those players have declined and the manager stubbornly refuses to admit that.

Clearing this deadwood is essential if we are to improve next season. But I'm not convinced he can or will be the one to do that.

[Burmesefox]

No, changing the manager would be disastourous - have we not learned anything by our recent history let alone clubs like wolves who are worse off for offloading their manager.

[Happy Fox]

So basically no he doesn't have a track record of turning around a team instantly. We aren't a relegated premier league team, we're a team that has never proved itself anything better than midtable with these players under TWO different managers.

Well he has got teams promoted so yes he has a better record, but so have Ian Dowie and a load of other managers you wouldn't touch with a barge pole. How can Pearson ever get a promotion under his belt if he's only given six months?

What if Sunderland had sacked McCarthy for failing to get them up at the first attempt. What if Wolves had sacked him when they finished 7th. That's what you are advocating we should do with Pearson, but then cheerleading a man who you would have sacked for failing to get in the playoffs if you were a Wolves fan back then.

You lost me right their mentioning Dowie... is two title winning championship squads not good enough for you? Look Babs I respect your opinion, would you really give NP time if you were the Thais, time is so subjective we could give NP 5 years but if the problems are still appearing and the inconsistency then we might as well save ourselves the bother and get rid. You could argue that NP deserves more time and a summer to mould the squad but I am far from convinced that the situation will improve under his tenure I will happily like to be proved wrong.

[Leicester_lad_92]

Hey look, thats your opinion, thats fair enough but he's the best manager we've has since MON and we were the losers when we let him go last time.

He got us to the Championship playoffs with an average side, but, a side that worked for each other and knew each other from the league 1 campaign, something called STABILITY and spent a hell of a lot less than Sven. Michael Morrison/Jack Hobbs cost barely nothing from and they're hardly that much worse than Matt Mills if at all!

Nigel doesnt like overpaid big heads and has already shown with the signings of Drinkwater/Morgan/Marshall that he can do that with a smaller budget. All cheaper and better than what we had. He's building a side, not trying to make one in 2 months like Sven did last summer with 11/12 new players.

Plus you talk about recent records of promotion.... Ian Holloway has that with Blackpool but he got us relegated so doesnt always work.

Or we could get Neil Warnock, another man with a promotion by his name and he's done so well at Leeds!

+1

Agree 100% we have great supporters and great backing but our fans are so fickle at times expecting instant success...

Get off Pearson's back ffs!! He has taken on this squad this season not his fault we have big personalities here and players that don't care enough about the club.

Pearson will sort it in the summer and bring the younger lads in like he did here last time!! Remember we were in a mess when we went down to l1 our lowest point and he came in & sorted us out, with great young hungry players just as he did at hull last summer...give him time!! :lcfc:

[Les-TA-Jon]

It seems unfair and unbalanced to compare Sven and Pearson's results and then come out with the conclusion that Sven was better.

The state of a football club is not exclusively determined by the number of Wins, Draws, Loses.

It's about the feeling in the team, the attitude and application of the players, the performances, the sustainability of the squad, the potential of the players, the finances of the club.

I'd argue that a lot of those other factors have improved under Pearson and would have continued on a downward spiral under Sven.

Also - to people saying that Pearson was brought in with the Remit of "Playoffs - absolute bare minimum" when was that announced? Yh obviously that's what they were hoping for, but neither the Board or Pearson would have said that.

AND:

People complaining about us not scoring? I think i'm right in saying we had scored at least 1 goal in the previous 20 games! So two games without a goal and suddenly we're the worst team ever?

AND:

Beckford haters? Do you seriously think, as a mid table team (cos that is what we are!), can realistically aspire to have a better striker at this club?

Please let's just give ourselves time.

[Babylon]

Because they did a job for Pearson the first time here? The problem is time has moved on, those players have declined and the manager stubbornly refuses to admit that.

Clearing this deadwood is essential if we are to improve next season. But I'm not convinced he can or will be the one to do that.

1 out of the four has played the last two games with brief a appearance from Howard that wouldn't have even happened but for injuries to other strikers. How we got on?

[Babylon]

You lost me right their mentioning Dowie... is two title winning championship squads not good enough for you?

It's not about what he's done, it's about how long he had to do it. You ignored my point that you'd have called for MM to go before he even got Wolves promoted!

[Raw Dykes]

Because they did a job for Pearson the first time here? The problem is time has moved on, those players have declined and the manager stubbornly refuses to admit that.

Clearing this deadwood is essential if we are to improve next season. But I'm not convinced he can or will be the one to do that.

What evidence is there for this? What do you expect NP to do? Put the u-18s up against Championship 1st teams? Can't you see he hasn't had a chance to make changes yet? I think you might be stubbornly refusing to admit that it was Sven who had a chance to replace some of the old guard who are past their prime, but not only failed to, but actually offered them new contracts! Why don't we wait and see which players NP wants to keep and which he wants to replace AFTER he's had a transfer window in which to do it?

You lost me right their mentioning Dowie... is two title winning championship squads not good enough for you? Look Babs I respect your opinion, would you really give NP time if you were the Thais, time is so subjective we could give NP 5 years but if the problems are still appearing and the inconsistency then we might as well save ourselves the bother and get rid. You could argue that NP deserves more time and a summer to mould the squad but I am far from convinced that the situation will improve under his tenure I will happily like to be proved wrong.

I'm not convinced. I think you've already made your mind up that NP will fail, and McCarthy would bring instant success. The thing is, no-one can know what would happen if McCarthy took over right now, and we're yet to see what changes Pearson will make this summer. In the two full seasons NP was here before, we were promoted in one, and, with no expectations to, nearly promoted the other. McCarthy's Wolves side have all but fallen to pieces this season, and it's yet to be seen whether NP could be a successful PL manager. Maybe you're right. Maybe McCarthy would do a good job here, but I can't see any reason to be so sure about it. NP's already started work on turning Sven's squad into his own, so wouldn't it make sense to support him through the coming off-season, see how the team's getting on by October, and then judge him, rather than asking for yet another new manager to take us back to square one before the current manager's had a chance to make changes?

[Guest Col city fan]

I can't believe, genuinely, that people are still contemplating a change of manager at this point.

Pearson will make changes in the summer, I'm convinced of that. Give him then at least the time that Sven had to really give it a crack.

I see no point in doing anything else.

[Babylon]

To those that want to change manager. If we change manager now, and we are still drifting between midtable come October/November/December, what then?

[Seven]

The focus seems to be promotion when we discuss who we believe should be the Leicester manager.I think we forget that for some of the newer younger supporters it is all about entertainment.My view is a totally selfish one.12 months ago My nine year old son and three friends attended every game,they wanted all the hats, scarfs ,hotdogs,beefburgers, drinks you name it if cost money and time it was on there shopping list.They used to talk about the players,the next match and even go to away fixtures. Now they sit there moaning they want to go home ,they are bored,they are cold and don,t want to come again.

Keep Pearson I say it will save me a fortune

[Babylon]

Keep Pearson I say it will save me a fortune

What did they say about the losses at home to Bristol, Reading and Millwall under Sven... still entertained?

The team of least year has gone, it was on loan to us from other teams.

[JadeFalcon]

pearson may be able given a summer to build a side for promotion to the premiership, but is he good enough to build us a side that wont come straight back down... my answer is hell no. atleast under sven he had aspirations of getting us to play free flowing european/premiership style football... all pearson has done is to get us playing boring ****ing football interspersed with moments of entertaining passing football, but i really dont think that part was down to pearson

[Babylon]

at least under sven he had aspirations of getting us to play free flowing european/premiership style football.

Where was that football with THIS team, not the one he expensively borrowed last year, THIS one. And for all that pretty football against shit teams we still managed to blow it in a bigger fashion than we have this year.

[cc_star]

pearson may be able given a summer to build a side for promotion to the premiership, but is he good enough to build us a side that wont come straight back down... my answer is hell no. atleast under sven he had aspirations of getting us to play free flowing european/premiership style football... all pearson has done is to get us playing boring ****ing football interspersed with moments of entertaining passing football, but i really dont think that part was down to pearson

I was excited last season for a short period, those 4 games we won a row we played great football at high tempo... sadly a) that team was expensively borrowed b) they couldn't maintain it as Sven tinkered with a winning formula to fit in unnecessary signings (Bruma being one)

The team Sven assembled this season wasn't the same, none of it really worked, the 433 flopped massively, the 442 in a diamond formation temporarily halted the decline, but the players who had come in didn't really fit so Sven reverted to King, Wellens & others who had perhaps been demotivated by being being pushed out in the first place... I didn't see much good stuff outside of Derby & Brighton at home it was mainly very boring with no urgency to attack, typified by the 0-0 draw at Cardiff who were there for the taking thanks to their forward line being injured & then their replacements getting injured throughout the match as they effectively played with 10-men for almost the whole match and we made nothing but slow 2 yard passes but never once put the ball in a dangerous position or played with the required tempo that we did in the Derby, Brighton games or for that matter the Forest, Norwich Southampton games under NP.

You say all Pearson has done is get us play boring football, I couldn't disagree more... Like Sven the players have only played at the required tempo on far too few occasions, when we do it's exciting & given our quality unbeatable.

The players except for Konch aren't at the races often enough & when we finally were building a head of steam with 7 points from 9 against Bham, Bpool & Hull... Danns a key player in our revival goes and does what he did, it's something you can't account for and probably cost us the momentum we had built up. I don't blame him we shouldn't have been in the position right from the start of the season, it's just yet another mitigating circumstance

[Babylon]

Thought this was a very good balanced post from Truro on Bentleys, hope he doesnt mind me taking it.

"Only playing Devil's abdomen (as a dear departed friend used to say) but is it all really Pearson's fault?

Certain players, (Beckford, Mills, Gelson, Johnson and even Schmeichel to a certain extent) have been affected by the departure of SGE, Beckford started playing up in the first game without him while Mills' has made it pretty clear that he wants out. Gelson went at the first opportunity and Johnson's only still here because Man City don't want him back.

Pearson inherited a side with many players who, as GTIF rightly points out, effectively signed for Sven rather than Leicester. Less vocal, but I suspect that Danns (who turned down the potential of Champions League football) and Nugent were convinced by the Swede but have at least shown willing, while Konchesky, Bamba and Peltier seem to have quietly gone about their business.

Faced with this quiet revolution, what can Pearson do? His only option was to turn to the tried and tested, loyal players that he brought to the Club in his first spell, so back come Dyer, Gallagher and Wellens (who, to be fair never really went away). The problem here is that the divide between the cliques got bigger and, after an initial dipping of the toe into the top six, we became very ordinary very fast. So what did NP do? Brought in more of "his" players: Morgan, Drinkwater and Marshall, all of whom at one time or another have looked like very astute aquisitions but the problem remains that certain individuals, one Jermaine Beckford in particular, have no problem demonstrating their lack of contentment on the pitch.

The reason for our slide down the league has been the lack of togetherness as much as anything else, not really Pearson's fault as whoever came in would've faced the same discontent, at least the guy seems to have the resolve to tackle to issed that have seen us come un-stuck against so much inferior opposition.

So what's the answer? The transfer window's shut so, failing a miracle, we're looking at a significant change of personnel in the summer, with anyone not aboard the Nigel bus asked to get off at the next stop.

Under Pearson, Leicester managed a play-off place largely with the side that won League One, while the Hull City team that he put together has a far greater chance of a trip to Wembley than his current charges so why shouldn't he be the man given the chance to re-shape the Foxes in the summer?

I suspect that only The Raksriaksorns really know the answer to that one."

[strattylcfc]

No keep np

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Because they did a job for Pearson the first time here? The problem is time has moved on, those players have declined and the manager stubbornly refuses to admit that.

Clearing this deadwood is essential if we are to improve next season. But I'm not convinced he can or will be the one to do that.

Precisely.

[cc_star]

Because they did a job for Pearson the first time here? The problem is time has moved on, those players have declined and the manager stubbornly refuses to admit that.

Clearing this deadwood is essential if we are to improve next season. But I'm not convinced he can or will be the one to do that.

Precisely.

Weirdly, I remember Sven replacing them, then going back to them when things didn't work out...

Also, NP has signed Marshall a Gally replacement and Drinky a Wellens replacement... Only it's fools who can't see that when they try to further their agenda, obviously incorrectly.

Wholsale changes don't get you anywhere, this season should have taught you that unless you've got amnesia, incremental growth & building is the way forward.

[Babylon]

To those that want to change manager. If we change manager now, and we are still drifting between midtable come October/November/December, what then?

Anyone? Plenty of you around who can attempt an answer at this.

[lcfcsnow]

Anyone? Plenty of you around who can attempt an answer at this.

If the Thai's decide to change manager then they have to get serious advice, if they don't and we end up with another manager who can't handle this group of players then that will happen and it's another season wasted. They have to act because we're going nowhere, they are to blame as much as Sven for sanctioning some ridiculous transfers and wages. But now we've got the wrong man in charge of this group of players, either change the manager or half the squad. Something has got to change.

[MarkHowieLCFC]

Simple answer, we keep NP...a club that's gone through as many managers as we have should know from the situation we're in that changing the manager every season accomplishes nothing!!!!

[Babylon]

If the Thai's decide to change manager then they have to get serious advice, if they don't and we end up with another manager who can't handle this group of players then that will happen and it's another season wasted. They have to act because we're going nowhere, they are to blame as much as Sven for sanctioning some ridiculous transfers and wages. But now we've got the wrong man in charge of this group of players, either change the manager or half the squad. Something has got to change.

Appreciate the response, but it doesn't really answer me. If we sack Pearson now and get in a replacement, he has the summer to change the squad the way he wants and we are mid table come November/December, what do you do?

People seem very sure that it should only take a matter of weeks or a couple of months to change our fortunes (they must do having been blaming Pearson since then). So what would you ask the owners to do?

[Guest Col city fan]

Appreciate the response, but it doesn't really answer me. If we sack Pearson now and get in a replacement, he has the summer to change the squad the way he wants and we are mid table come November/December, what do you do?

People seem very sure that it should only take a matter of weeks or a couple of months to change our fortunes (they must do having been blaming Pearson since then). So what would you ask the owners to do?

Your response hasn't been 'really' answered because no one knows how to answer it, or indeed, the answer..

[lcfcsnow]

Appreciate the response, but it doesn't really answer me. If we sack Pearson now and get in a replacement, he has the summer to change the squad the way he wants and we are mid table come November/December, what do you do?

People seem very sure that it should only take a matter of weeks or a couple of months to change our fortunes (they must do having been blaming Pearson since then). So what would you ask the owners to do?

Realise the mistakes they've made and do some proper research before appointing a new manager. They can throw as much money as they want at it but if the right manager isn't in place then it won't happen.