Zingari Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 If horse racing is ever banned there will be an enormous amount of angry Irishmen around . A few dead gee gees is surely worth the cost
m00nie Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 What would you prefer.... Horses to die needlessly and you get a little money in your pocket or for them to be fine and well and you ain't got no money.Money don't make the world go round they say it cant buy you love either but you can have a dam good time with it....
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Dull, boring "sport" that is cruel to animals, loved by chavs, pikeys & gippos and creates gambling addictions. But mainly because it was the worst thing on World Of Sport and remains a pain in the arse on 5Live. Probably the most uneducated comment I've ever read on Horse Racing and that's saying something, even more so if you are specifically talking about national hunt. People in betting shops don't love racing, they love gambling, come to the countryside festival and watch 55,000 watch without gambling, that's a real racing crowd. God, it's no wonder so many idiots think racing should he banned if the betting shop is the benchmark of what's classed as a national hunt enthusiast. Out of interest where was the outcry when 3 horses died at the world cup in Dubai last week? Flat racing, no fences......of course, wasn't the national was it?
Haydos Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Out of interest where was the outcry when 3 horses died at the world cup in Dubai last week? Flat racing, no fences......of course, wasn't the national was it? Because nobody heard about it? Doesn't that make it worse if anything?
Libertine Dream Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Because nobody heard about it? Doesn't that make it worse if anything? Which only proves people just jump on bandwagons and cam't form an opinion without being influenced by the media. And as MattP says, racing isn't just about the gambling, the bookies is for gamblers not race fans. Of course its nice to have a bet but its not the be all and end all that everbody thinks it is just because they only watch the National and the Derby every year.
Zingari Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Where was the outcry when loads of horses were killed in the film Ben Hur ? It's amazing how a few big muscled, greased up, beefcake blokes in sexy Roman mini skirts takes your mind off things !
Bert Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Probably the most uneducated comment I've ever read on Horse Racing and that's saying something, even more so if you are specifically talking about national hunt. People in betting shops don't love racing, they love gambling, come to the countryside festival and watch 55,000 watch without gambling, that's a real racing crowd. God, it's no wonder so many idiots think racing should he banned if the betting shop is the benchmark of what's classed as a national hunt enthusiast. Out of interest where was the outcry when 3 horses died at the world cup in Dubai last week? Flat racing, no fences......of course, wasn't the national was it? Well said. I love watching the national hunt. Any form of racing is great but there's something special about a horse leaping over a fence.
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Because nobody heard about it? Doesn't that make it worse if anything? It would have been on the sports pages of every paper, problem is people love to jump on the national because it's the big event that attracts attention and it's the thing to do. Forget the fact Syncronised actually fell and jumped 5 more fences on his own with his tail wagging, much better to say the horse was killed being forced over fences. It's astonishing the lack of knowledge even the RSPCA has about bloodstock and racehorses and what they do and what are born to do.
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Well said. I love watching the national hunt. Any form of racing is great but there's something special about a horse leaping over a fence. It's one of the most wonderful sights in sports...magnificent. Did you get close to any of the fences at Cheltenham this year?
Super_horns Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Maybe reduce the numbers in the national so there is more space for the horses etc?
Haydos Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Which only proves people just jump on bandwagons and cam't form an opinion without being influenced by the media. And as MattP says, racing isn't just about the gambling, the bookies is for gamblers not race fans. Of course its nice to have a bet but its not the be all and end all that everbody thinks it is just because they only watch the National and the Derby every year. For the spectators, it basically is. Why are there point-to-points' all over the countryside? Because it's great to watch? Pfft, no. Because it's full of middle class people who own ride horses and have the money to gamble. What's wrong with jumping on the bandwagon of some things? (I'm not saying I agree btw, I can just see why people who don't like to see animals treated like that feel the way they do). I just don't buy that the number 1 reason horse racing exists is anything but gambling. There's a reason they keep you updated on all the odds on the race programmes, you don't get that on football focus or when you watch the athletics.
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Haydos, trust me that's bullshit. Go to the Open meeting in November, 55,000 people there and 3-4 bookies on the whole course. This horse racing is just gambling is utter nonsense, dog racing, yep....completely propped up by bookies. Not Horse Racing. Try out Meydan in Dubai and see how much betting you do and double the crowd. I'd still be at Chelts every year if betting was outlawed, it really isn't about that for thousands of us.
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Maybe reduce the numbers in the national so there is more space for the horses etc? Possible but made no difference this year...Ideally move it out of April so the ground isnt too fast, possibly raise the entry point of the handicapper mark as well as half the field quite simply are not good enough to jump these fences. Another misconception the public has is the national involves the best horses in Britain, 95pc of the entries are grade 3 handicappers, usually no decent horse would be risked in a race like this, Syncronised was a massive exception and error.
Daggers Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Probably the most uneducated comment I've ever read on Horse Racing and that's saying something, even more so if you are specifically talking about national hunt. People in betting shops don't love racing, they love gambling, come to the countryside festival and watch 55,000 watch without gambling, that's a real racing crowd. God, it's no wonder so many idiots think racing should he banned if the betting shop is the benchmark of what's classed as a national hunt enthusiast. Out of interest where was the outcry when 3 horses died at the world cup in Dubai last week? Flat racing, no fences......of course, wasn't the national was it? Fantastic post, well done.
ADK Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 I think they need to lower the fences particularly those with a greater drop on the other side of the fence. These so called "drop fences" are lower on the landing side presumably to catch the horse out and make the spectacle more exciting. to quote the wiki article on show jumping: "Many riders have fallen badly on drop fences if the horse swerves unexpectedly. Jumping drop fences places a good deal of stress on the horse's legs, and therefore practice should be kept to a minimum. To help minimise the concussion on the horse's legs, the rider should encourage it to jump the fence as conservatively as possible, with little bascule or speed, using just enough power to safely clear the log before dropping down." Now no-one is riding their horse "conservatively" in the national, and both horses that had to be put down fell at the same drop fence. I don't have a problem with horse racing in general but this is an obstacle that by design is highly likely to cause a horse to suffer a leg break, which is a fatal injury for a horse. To me that is unnecessarily cruel, not to mention dangerous for the jockeys.
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Fantastic post, well done. Brilliant. Completely excelled yourself again. On a phone at 11pm on a train, not really the first thing on my mind. Good task of arguing the points put forward.
Haydos Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Haydos, trust me that's bullshit. Go to the Open meeting in November, 55,000 people there and 3-4 bookies on the whole course. This horse racing is just gambling is utter nonsense, dog racing, yep....completely propped up by bookies. Not Horse Racing. Try out Meydan in Dubai and see how much betting you do and double the crowd. I'd still be at Chelts every year if betting was outlawed, it really isn't about that for thousands of us. Maybe it's a misconception, I don't know, I'm just basing it on all I've seen. The racing shows, the supplements in the papers, people waving betting slips on the telly. You clearly know a lot more so I'll take your word that there are plenty of genuine fans (although the reasons to that are also mystifying to me ) but gambling is clearly a big part of the industry. Oh, and my experience of it is exclusively in GB, I can't imagine them being that big on gambling in Dubai. Are you a 'fan' yourself btw? Are there people that follow jockeys, or do they follow the horses or breeders? I don't really get it.
acooling08 Posted 16 April 2012 Author Posted 16 April 2012 Well said. I love watching the national hunt. Any form of racing is great but there's something special about a horse leaping over a fence. Special because at any second a horse can fall and break it's legs? I don't get the argument of 'race horses are bred for it so it's ok'. Some dogs are bred for fighting. As are bulls. And cockerals. Just because an animal is bred for something means it wants to do it?
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Maybe it's a misconception, I don't know, I'm just basing it on all I've seen. The racing shows, the supplements in the papers, people waving betting slips on the telly. You clearly know a lot more so I'll take your word that there are plenty of genuine fans (although the reasons to that are also mystifying to me ) but gambling is clearly a big part of the industry. Oh, and my experience of it is exclusively in GB, I can't imagine them being that big on gambling in Dubai. Are you a 'fan' yourself btw? Are there people that follow jockeys, or do they follow the horses or breeders? I don't really get it. Don't get me wrong betting is massive, we all know that, but sports betting far exceeds horse racing now in terms of revenue. It's this image people think of that courses would be empty if their was no betting and OT couldn't be further from the truth. You follow your fave horses, no diff from a football team you like, Kauto Star got me 5 years ago, I cheered when won and cried when he lost the Gold Cup to Denman. No different to watching any other sports star or team really. If you get the chance go to Meydan racecourse, one of the most magnificent sporting settings I've seen. Special because at any second a horse can fall and break it's legs? Like watching football because at any moment a player can have a heart attack and die?
Haydos Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 You follow your fave horses, no diff from a football team you like, Kauto Star got me 5 years ago, I cheered when won and cried when he lost the Gold Cup to Denman. No different to watching any other sports star or team really. Fair enough. Can't imagine it myself, not sure why because I quite like watching the F1. The whole racing thing just doesn't have the same emotion for me.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Don't get me wrong betting is massive, we all know that, but sports betting far exceeds horse racing now in terms of revenue. It's this image people think of that courses would be empty if their was no betting and OT couldn't be further from the truth. You follow your fave horses, no diff from a football team you like, Kauto Star got me 5 years ago, I cheered when won and cried when he lost the Gold Cup to Denman. No different to watching any other sports star or team really. If you get the chance go to Meydan racecourse, one of the most magnificent sporting settings I've seen. Like watching football because at any moment a player can have a heart attack and die? How good was that 2 weekends ago, the 20 minute openning ceremony for the final 3 WC races was amazing and no punting on course. Perfect example is Black Caviar over here, live broadcast interapting the footy and cricket to show it's races. 50,000 to a race meet when there would normally be 5,000 all because of one horse....mind you she is a special horse. Oh and also Horse Racing to be banned hahaha you got to be kidding me Acooling and Co i ask you this "What would happen to the horse if horse racing was banned tomorrow?" "How many people would be unemployed because of the racing industry?" "What percentage of horse that race each year actually die racing?"
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Was gonna use the Black Cavier point as well mate!! You could sell out the MCG watching her run around, we got our Ascot tickets the other week I'm just praying she comes over and everything goes to plan.
acooling08 Posted 16 April 2012 Author Posted 16 April 2012 Don't get me wrong betting is massive, we all know that, but sports betting far exceeds horse racing now in terms of revenue. It's this image people think of that courses would be empty if their was no betting and OT couldn't be further from the truth. You follow your fave horses, no diff from a football team you like, Kauto Star got me 5 years ago, I cheered when won and cried when he lost the Gold Cup to Denman. No different to watching any other sports star or team really. If you get the chance go to Meydan racecourse, one of the most magnificent sporting settings I've seen. Like watching football because at any moment a player can have a heart attack and die? Any physical excercise can cause a heart attack. Muamba could have been on his treadmill in his home when he suffered his attack. A horse being forced to jump over a big hedge has quite a high risk of injury. But you know what, sod it, they're only animals
Guest MattP Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Any physical excercise can cause a heart attack. Muamba could have been on his treadmill in his home when he suffered his attack. A horse being forced to jump over a big hedge has quite a high risk of injury. ROFL. Why do people who know nothing about this sport continue to comment on it? Come down to my mates stables whenever you like, I'll give you a horse and see if you can "force" the half ton animal to jump a fence.
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