Libertine Dream Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 Anyone think the marathon should be banned? Right this instant, people are doing something that they don't enjoy just to get money for charities. Disgraceful sport
Wycombe Fox Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 ... you might find it easier to see them if you climb down from your high horse to do so. Shouldn't that be in 'The Pun Thread'?
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 The poll results are very lopsided and show the true result.
ozleicester Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 The poll results are very lopsided and show the true result. In logic, an "argumentum ad populum" (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so." Fifty million Elvis fans can't be wrong. Google gives more hits when this spelling is applied, therefore this has to be the correct spelling. Most analysts consider Enron Corporation a well-run company with excellent management, so its common stock is a good investment. Find me anyone who shares your preposterous notion that the Earth orbits the Sun! Christianity has over 2 billion adherents,so it must be correct.
James. Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 Im far from set in my ways, a few years ago i was a meat eating, horse race enjoying, anti vegetarian I bet you were more fun back then.
ozleicester Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 I bet you were more fun back then. How much? Nah, ive always been a miserable git
Finnegan Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 Can I just say I'm perfectly happy for animals to die for my entertainment? Preferably ducks, mmmmm duck. So tasty. I'm against blood sports, I don't see the need to encourage animals to physically rip each other apart; that is barbaric and I don't want to see prolonged suffering. I'm against blood sports because of the human element, I think any self-aware soul that chooses to watch that sort of horrific slaughter (or, in the case of fox hunting, partake in it physically) or maiming and derives pleasure from it must be a distinctly disturbed individual.But if there are casualties in horse racing and they are, humanely and peacefully, put out of their misery? I don't give a shit. They don't have feelings, they aren't self aware, they're livestock. We butcher millions a year for food, leather and other products and we've been doing it - rightfully - for millennia.
BoneDog Posted 25 April 2012 Posted 25 April 2012 Can I just say I'm perfectly happy for animals to die for my entertainment. They don't have feelings.. Yes they do. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-emotional-world-of-farm-animals/
Finnegan Posted 25 April 2012 Posted 25 April 2012 And when they aren't going for long walks, holding hooves in the fields they're fighting off Zionist sheep in the yard.
BoneDog Posted 25 April 2012 Posted 25 April 2012 Holding hands is for girls. Animals are above that pansy stuff. On the subject of the thread, I voted no. I had four each way bets on the National this year and all four fell and I was sad to see that one of my picks - According to Pete - died. It was made all the more sad as I'd watched a big report from his stables earlier in the day on the BBC with his owner in Yorkshire. The guy said he isn't going to enter another of his horses in the race which is understandable. He loved that hos and they still have his mother at their stables. Although I don't think racing should be banned I do think that something needs to be done about the dangers of this race (and maybe others if there are similar dangerous races). It's surprising to me that some jockeys don't also get killed in The National because it looks crazy when they're all going over those fences!
Guest Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 You know my feelings. Should the London Marathon be banned?
adam1 Posted 1 May 2012 Posted 1 May 2012 A statement was released by the BHA today. This is an extract: Appendix A - Injuries incurred by Synchronised and According To Pete Evidence has been gathered from the Racecourse Veterinary Surgeons who treated the horses in question and the BHA’s own Veterinary Officers. In addition, there was detailed analysis of all available television footage, including material that was not broadcast, from the BBC and Racing UK, as well as Stewards’ patrol video footage. Synchronised: Firstly, following the incident going down to the start when AP McCoy was unseated and Synchronised proceeded to canter loose for a short period of time (approximately two minutes), it can be confirmed that the horse was subject to veterinary examination before being cleared to race. The Senior Racecourse Veterinary Surgeon examined Synchronised before AP McCoy remounted the horse, including monitoring his heart rate. This was found to be barely elevated above normal resting rate. The type and rate of respiration was also examined and, again, was found to be hardly elevated. The BHA’s own Veterinary Officer was also present and he spoke with the Stewards who were monitoring the incident from their respective viewing positions and on television. Synchronised was running in about 23rd position when he fell at Fence 6 (Becher’s Brook). He appeared to have a clear sight of the fence and did not make a significant error but became unbalanced prior to landing and fell sideways on to his left side. AP McCoy was dislodged forward and clear of the horse. There did not appear to be any other factors which contributed to this fall. After the fall, the horse got up and carried on running and jumping fences riderless. On review of the footage there is no evidence to suggest he was carrying any sort of injury at this point. This is corroborated by speed sensing data, which shows that the horse was travelling at the same speed both before and after the fall at Becher’s. The injury that led to Synchronised being put down occurred at Fence 11. He appears to decelerate into the fence and does not jump it cleanly, dragging his hindlegs and hindquarters through the fence. It would appear he fractured his right hind tibia and fibula in the process. Synchronised was promptly attended to by Veterinary Surgeons who identified the scale of the injury and concluded that the humane option was to put the horse down. According To Pete: On the second circuit of the race According To Pete was in the front half of the field. As the runners bypassed Fence 21, a maneouvre made on account of medical treatment being administered to an injured rider, Noel Fehily, the horse was in eighth place, alongside eventual winner Neptune Collonges. After bypassing the fence on the outer, the field, which at this stage stood at 17 runners, together with three riderless horses, returned onto the racetrack proper and began to fan out back towards the middle of the course. According To Pete was still travelling on the bridle approaching Fence 22 (Becher’s Brook), now in seventh place, with clear space in front. He jumped the fence well but on landing found he had nowhere to go and on the stride after landing he collided with the rear of the faller On His Own, resulting in the horse being brought down with the rider, Harry Haynes, being thrown clear. As the horse got up, Weird Al jumped the fence and came into contact with According To Pete’s left side. It is not conclusive whether this collision or the greater impact incurred when he was brought down led to the fracture of the horse’s left fore humerus. Although According To Pete had a clear sight of the fence on approach, On His Own was possibly left a little unsighted due to the leaders, Planet of Sound and Shakalakaboomboom, drifting left from the outer. This caused On His Own to get in close to the fence and consequently he landed steeply with reduced forward momentum, knuckling on landing and rolling to his left, into the path of According To Pete. Again, Veterinary Surgeons were quickly on the scene, the injury was diagnosed as untreatable and the decision made to put the horse down.
The Doctor Posted 1 May 2012 Posted 1 May 2012 And when they aren't going for long walks, holding hooves in the fields they're fighting off Zionist sheep in the yard. I knew we couldn't trust the New Zealanders. Bloody hobbits.
Mark_w Posted 1 May 2012 Posted 1 May 2012 You know my feelings. Should the London Marathon be banned? How is that the same? If people where being forced to run the marathon, then I doubt they'd be happy about it.
Guest MattP Posted 1 May 2012 Posted 1 May 2012 How is that the same? If people where being forced to run the marathon, then I doubt they'd be happy about it. Horses are not forced to wun races, if you don't believe me try and whip a half ton horse into jumping a fence. It doesn't work.
dhermon Posted 4 May 2012 Posted 4 May 2012 Interesting subject with alot of grey areas it has been on the agenda for the past few years here in oz with people trying to ban jumps races Im not a big fan of jumps races so if it was to go i'd not care because i dont like seeing horses die just for the sake of racing but as was mentioned to me jumps races saves more horses than it ever kills as alot of flat racing horses that would normally go off to slaughter are bought to race in jumps racing It was debated the other morning on radio that we should look at how its done over in the Uk and try to model our jumps races on more your style so to stumble onto this thread and see a debate about baning it in the UK is very interesting and confusing at the same time as the bloke on radio was very convincing about his thoughts of how better your system was to ours
ozleicester Posted 5 May 2012 Posted 5 May 2012 Horses are not forced to wun races, if you don't believe me try and whip a half ton horse into jumping a fence. It doesn't work. So they drive themselves to the course and place little men with sticks on their backs. Of course they are forced...and those that dont agree.... get sent to the knackery.
Kitchandro Posted 5 May 2012 Posted 5 May 2012 So they drive themselves to the course and place little men with sticks on their backs. Of course they are forced...and those that dont agree.... get sent to the knackery. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for horse racing though, they are bred specifically for it. You could say they are 'forced' to do showjumping, or pull carts, or let annoying little kids sit on their backs. But you don't have a problem with that, do you? I'd love people to explain how horses dying by accident is worse than killing other animals on purpose for food, that's only for your entertainment, you could be a vegetarian, but that would be shit, so it's OK to kill them.
ozleicester Posted 5 May 2012 Posted 5 May 2012 They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for horse racing though, they are bred specifically for it. So therefore it is ok that we can do whatever we wish with them....no, this does not entitle us to kill them for our pleasure. If you want to do that, lets breed people and kill them for fun. You could say they are 'forced' to do showjumping, or pull carts, or let annoying little kids sit on their backs. But you don't have a problem with that, do you? Yes, i have a problem with that. What makes you think you have the right to command these creatures to do whatever you want? I'd love people to explain how horses dying by accident is worse than killing other animals on purpose for food, that's only for your entertainment, you could be a vegetarian, but that would be shit, so it's OK to kill them. It isnt any better...and being a veggie is just fine
Kitchandro Posted 5 May 2012 Posted 5 May 2012 WE ARE NOT KILLING THEM FOR PLEASURE. IT IS NOT BULL-FIGHTING. THE POINT OF THE SPORT IS TO WIN RACES, NOT DIE. If you're wondering why it needs to be in capitals, it's because you obviously need simple facts being spelled out very clearly. If you want to be a veggie, that's fine, but you can't judge the majority of the population for eating meat or ban them, so you can't judge them for liking horse racing either, or stop them from being able to enjoy it. We do have a right to use animals, that's the hierarchy of nature, animals eat the weaker ones, we eat them and use them to benefit our lives. That's what nature is about, and it's what we've done since the dawn of time. You're just being hysterical and irrational over some accidents, a lot of which can happen anywhere. Do you know how many horses are killed running round a field with only other horses? Plenty. Accidents happen, that's life. Horses generally love racing and if they didn't they wouldn't put as much effort into jumping fences. As I've said, they are bred for this and live great lives compared to a lot of animlas, so ban horseracing and you're basially denying them a right to live. So who's the cruel one here?
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