acooling08 Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Thought I'd ask the question since 2 more horses died from falls at the Grand National. I personally believe that it should be banned. I think that is is cruel to force these horses into partaking in a dangerous and exhausting race. There is a high chance of them falling and suffering horrible injuries, and of course they get whipped repeatedly by the jockies. I saw Paul Nicholls' interview yesterday on the subject and he said that all sport is dangerous and everybody should accept that. But there are few mainstream sports where the chance of a participant dying are relatively high. Of course there are sports where people do get hurt, but people choose to play sport and take risks. Obviously horses have no choice in the matter. He also said it is sport and people should grow up and accept it. Wasn't lions v tigers once considered sport? More recently, what about bear baiting? I hope that eventually horse racing becomes unacceptable in the mainstream just as those 'sports' did. I doubt many people will agree with me but opinions everybody?
James. Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 It's not that much fun, say horses 16-04-12 HORSE racing is okay if you are in the mood, horses said last night. As the nation's favourite horse-killing race claimed two, horses across the country urged humans not to assume that they know when a different species is enjoying itself. Tom Logan, a 14 year-old horse from Stevenage, said: "Most of us quite like a bit of a run now and again, but not all of us and not as much as you think. "For instance, my half-brother Geoff is a fat, lazy ****. "Of course that doesn't stop some lower middle class bitch clambering on top of him twice a week and thrashing his arse with a stick. "I said to him 'Geoff, Max Mosley pays good money for that'. He told me to go **** myself." Logan added: "I'm fond of a gallop, but on my own terms, d'you know what I mean? And, put it is this way, if I wake up and find myself in the mood for a jog do you think I really want to have a little Irishman sitting on top of me while I do it? "Do you think that makes it perfect? "Anyway, just make the fences smaller, you ****ing dicks." 'You don't know anything about me' said Logan
AdamN Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 He also said it is sport and people should grow up and accept it. Wasn't lions v tigers once considered sport? More recently, what about bear baiting? I hope that eventually horse racing becomes unacceptable in the mainstream just as those 'sports' did. There's a difference between sports that deliberately cause animals an unnecessary amount of pain and distress and sports that occasionally result in accidental deaths. I don't even like horse racing (I find it boring), but I don't think it should be banned.
Teeno Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Get off the bandwagon! Two accidental deaths, one from an unseated horse and your calling for it to be banned!?!? Horse racing is more popular now then ever before, record attendances last season, record attendances at Cheltenham & Aintree and more people watched last years National than the FA Cup final! As much as I love the National, I hate the fact that it brings out all the do gooders who couldn't care less for the other 364 days a year!
acooling08 Posted 16 April 2012 Author Posted 16 April 2012 Get off the bandwagon! Two accidental deaths, one from an unseated horse and your calling for it to be banned!?!? Horse racing is more popular now then ever before, record attendances last season, record attendances at Cheltenham & Aintree and more people watched last years National than the FA Cup final! If there were 2 deaths in another sport say F1, there'd be a huge enquiry and new safety legislation etc. I know a horses life isn't as important, but I hate how casual everybody is towards them dying. Popularity of the sport is irrelevant. Animals v gladiators was the most popular sport in Ancient Rome but that doesn't make it ok does it? I'm not saying horse racing is anywhere near as cruel as that but I'm just saying that the popularity of the sport isn't important to thr issue of animal welfare.
Daggers Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Dull, boring "sport" that is cruel to animals, loved by chavs, pikeys & gippos and creates gambling addictions. But mainly because it was the worst thing on World Of Sport and remains a pain in the arse on 5Live.
Bugg Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Dull, boring "sport" that is cruel to animals, loved by chavs, pikeys & gippos and creates gambling addictions. But mainly because it was the worst thing on World Of Sport and remains a pain in the arse on 5Live. Formula One is the worst sport to be broadcasted on 5live. The shrill squeal of the cars give me more of a headache than enjoyable listening.
davieG Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 It'll never happen, it's not called the Sport of Kings for nothing too many people in high and influential places are financially involved and it's not like fox hunting where the intent was to kill and there was strong opposition to it, I doubt many of the population are even away that there was a big race never mind horses dying.
21st Century Fox Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Holy shit. To use a current catchphrase " I can't believe it, I agree with acooling." I'm not sure an outright ban is warranted immediately but certainly regulations need looking at etc. I too find it weird how blasé people (especially inside the sport) are about the deaths to animals that have no say in their participation.
Teeno Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 If there were 2 deaths in another sport say F1, there'd be a huge enquiry and new safety legislation etc. I know a horses life isn't as important, but I hate how casual everybody is towards them dying. Popularity of the sport is irrelevant. Animals v gladiators was the most popular sport in Ancient Rome but that doesn't make it ok does it? I'm not saying horse racing is anywhere near as cruel as that but I'm just saying that the popularity of the sport isn't important to thr issue of animal welfare. Genuine racing fans hate nothing more than seeing horses die. There seems to be a perception that people in the sport and the fans are all completely heartless and have no regard to the welfare of the Horses, but just look at the reaction to Kauto Star being pulled in the Gold Cup. I agree that more should be done to minimize the risk involved in the Grand National, but a ban on all racing is a bit OTT! Any idea how many people would be out of work? or how many horses would be deemed worthless and have to be destroyed?
m00nie Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 If there were 2 deaths in another sport say F1, there'd be a huge enquiry and new safety legislation etc. I know a horses life isn't as important, but I hate how casual everybody is towards them dying. Popularity of the sport is irrelevant. Animals v gladiators was the most popular sport in Ancient Rome but that doesn't make it ok does it? I'm not saying horse racing is anywhere near as cruel as that but I'm just saying that the popularity of the sport isn't important to thr issue of animal welfare. theres always enquiries into horse racing, the national has been altered numerous times, rules also. Are you vegan ? dont wear leather ? use animal tested products ? etc
Libertine Dream Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 The simple answer is no. Just because two horses died on Saturday doesn't mwan the whole sport should banned, the horses are bred to do it and wouldn't live without it. The National is a poor quality race which the nation loves. Thats part of the problem, the occasion is over hyped, when they run over tha National fences at Aintree they have few problems but as soon as the media hypes it up we have problems. Syncronised was slightly too small for the National in my opinion and i dont understand why a horse with his calibre wws raced in the race. Ill repeat what I said in the national thread: Its all very sad about the two horses losing their lives hut the National shouldnt be banned as a result. Reviews should take place and maybe we should have a couple of years break without it. The shine has been taken off it for a couple of years now because of too many deaths. The horse are willing to race, they enjoy it and that is what they are bred for. They want to jump to fences because they would do naturally, they want to run for the same reason marathon runners do. If they don't want to, more often than not the jockey, trainer, stable hand will know, its just a shame it appears it was missed in syncronised's case. The problem with the National is its designed to be tough, to test the horses but only the best should be able to enter and a smaller more elite field should enter. The thing that annoys me most is the fact trainers and owners enter these horses that are not good enough, don't have the right build, aren't strong enough, these people should know that. Todays tradgedies were not in that category (although syncronised was on the small side). Horses shouldn't have too many problems in the National, they are able to jump these fences but the field is too big, filled with horses that aren't able and so carnage ensues. The occasion also gives them problems as rarely is there an incudent over the National fences when they are used in other Aintree meetings, and so it can't all be blamed the course, however something needs to change to prevent the deaths. Lets not forget that a horse is so finely tuned, if it misplaces its foot at its stables it could breaks its leg and have to be put down, dont attatch too much blame to the course, thats how horses are and it can happen in the flat season too. It died doing what it loved, what it was made for and managed to die in the environment it savoured. How many of us can say that?
Webbo Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 I've always found the coverage of golf on radio5 particulary pointless.
James. Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 It died doing what it loved, what it was made for and managed to die in the environment it savoured. If you read the article I posted above I think you'll find that isn't entirely true.
21st Century Fox Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 The horse are willing to race, they enjoy it and that is what they are bred for. They want to jump to fences because they would do naturally, they want to run for the same reason marathon runners do. If they don't want to, more often than not the jockey, trainer, stable hand will know, its just a shame it appears it was missed in syncronised's case. Pardon the pun but Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.... where's this from?
Zingari Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 I think they should ban donkey rides on Blackpool beach too . I walked past them lined up the other day and every one of them looked thouroughly pissed off
Daggers Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Formula One is the worst sport to be broadcasted on 5live. The shrill squeal of the cars give me more of a headache than enjoyable listening. I've always found the coverage of golf on radio5 particulary pointless. And, along with darts, I'd ban them all. Totally fvcking pointless. They are hobbies and past-times which, if I think of everyone I know, are only followed by total retards. (Admittedly this is a small survey sample)
James. Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 All the horses I've spoken to have always said they'd rather be out shagging mares and eating hay and oats.
Daggers Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 I think they should ban donkey rides on Blackpool beach too . I walked past them lined up the other day and every one of them looked thouroughly pissed off Donkeys have been bred over centuries to carry ugly, fat children (covered in ice cream) around a beach - it's what they live to do. The expression is the donkey's natural demeanour - you've should see how pissed off they look when placed in a field.
Zingari Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 All the horses I've spoken to have always said they'd rather be out shagging mares and eating hay and oats. you obviously only speak to chavvy chevals then
steveherbe Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 Couldn't the government step in here and do what they are best at? Ban horses from falling over, problem solved.
Houdini Logic Posted 16 April 2012 Posted 16 April 2012 It's fine as long as it's flat or sensible fences. Anything like the Grand National should be banned no questions
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