seenitall Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Well we lost the game, doesn't mean they were correct though. Can you prove any other combination of players would have done better? If you can then yes they were correct. When we lost to Millwall at home your beloved Sven lost the game whilst playing Johnson and Abe in midfield. He Subbed Abe at half time for Dyer (must have been playing well) and had Fernandes sat on the bench until the 75th minute. Outcome.... 0-3. This is the same Abe and Fernandes that people slate Pearson for not playing and letting go. and on and on and on....... Sven's gone, you can't keep excusing Nigels screw ups because Sven lost some games. If the midfield was so knackered and useless, why didn't he bring in someone on loan - its a policy that worked well with Cleverley and Spearing in the past - could have sent Mills, Beckford, Peltier or even his (and your) beloved Ritchie out to other clubs to balance the books - In Nige we trust
accessory Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Agreed! He even said in his post match interview vs West Ham he wanted to make the team more physical. I've also said all along you look at his signings, even in his first stint in charge.... an excellent track record. Kermorgant? Adams? N'Guessan? Wayne Brown? How many of the players Pearson signed for us this time or last will ever play Premier football? Marshall, maybe Drinkwater...and that's it. His track record isn't really all that.
Happy Fox Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Kermorgant? Adams? N'Guessan? Wayne Brown? How many of the players Pearson signed for us this time or last will ever play Premier football? Marshall, maybe Drinkwater...and that's it. His track record isn't really all that. Worry about Prem football when we get their, that has been our problem this season, we need to concentrate wholeheartedly on this division.
Babylon Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 and on and on and on....... Sven's gone, you can't keep excusing Nigels screw ups because Sven lost some games. It's being used because you fail to treat the two of them the same. What was ok for one is not ok for the other, and that's why people constantly throw it at you. As for signings, you can only send player out if people want them. It's not a case of just wanting rid, there are two sides to the story. The midfield had cover, prior to blackpool we had a fully fit midfield with King a week away. we picked up three injuries in that game. He tried to sign two midfielders the next day, but the deadline closed that night and we ran out of time. Danns then compounded the problem by getting sent off.
Babylon Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Kermorgant? Adams? N'Guessan? Wayne Brown? How many of the players Pearson signed for us this time or last will ever play Premier football? Marshall, maybe Drinkwater...and that's it. His track record isn't really all that. Constantly ignoring the fact they were all on frees much like most of his signings, and the fact we made a profit on transfers whilst he was here. I'm sure there are 100's of free premier league to be players out there just waiting to be snapped up for nothing.
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Kermorgant? Adams? N'Guessan? Wayne Brown? How many of the players Pearson signed for us this time or last will ever play Premier football? Marshall, maybe Drinkwater...and that's it. His track record isn't really all that. Wayne Brown and Dany N'Guessan both did decent jobs for us in the Championship that got us to the playoffs! Adams was brought in league 1, good player for that level so your argument is poor. Notice how you only list those 4.... !!! What about Mark Davies, Tom Cleverley, Jay Spearing?? Plus he signed Jack Hobbs and Michael Morrison who were fantastic together....
accessory Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 It's being used because you fail to treat the two of them the same. What was ok for one is not ok for the other, and that's why people constantly throw it at you. As for signings, you can only send player out if people want them. It's not a case of just wanting rid, there are two sides to the story. The midfield had cover, prior to blackpool we had a fully fit midfield with King a week away. we picked up three injuries in that game. He tried to sign two midfielders the next day, but the deadline closed that night and we ran out of time. Danns then compounded the problem by getting sent off. He also let Moussa go on loan to his mate John Sheridan at Chesterfield. The time to make loan signings would have been at the start of the month and not on the last day of the window. He knew we had a busy schedule, so why didn't he plan for the possibility of injuries and suspensions, especially given the heavy pitches and the physical nature of this league?
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Kermorgant? Adams? N'Guessan? Wayne Brown? How many of the players Pearson signed for us this time or last will ever play Premier football? Marshall, maybe Drinkwater...and that's it. His track record isn't really all that. Love how you just mention 4. Cleverley - Playing for Man United and possibly going Euros Hobbs - Apart of the best defence in this division. Spearing - Playing first team football for Liverpool His signings are good, he normally signs young, hungry players who will work as a team and graft.
accessory Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Constantly ignoring the fact they were all on frees much like most of his signings, and the fact we made a profit on transfers whilst he was here. I'm sure there are 100's of free premier league to be players out there just waiting to be snapped up for nothing. But the argument for giving him more time is that he will add sufficient quality to the squad for us to make a stronger challenge for promotion, when there's actually little evidence to suggest this will happen. He may make use of the loan market (as he's done previously and so did Eriksson) but that would hardly be a recipe for long-term stability.
Babylon Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 He also let Moussa go on loan to his mate John Sheridan at Chesterfield. The time to make loan signings would have been at the start of the month and not on the last day of the window. He knew we had a busy schedule, so why didn't he plan for the possibility of injuries and suspensions, especially given the heavy pitches and the physical nature of this league? Because it's difficult to plan for losing so many people at once. You could sign 10 players for each position just in case of injury but it doesn't work like that. We don't know what resources he had available to try and get others in earlier. There were certainly a lot of players who went before we brought anyone in. Maybe it was a case of one in one out, who knows.
Dan Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Simple Words: - Lack of Success is born out of 14/15 managerial changes since 2004 - Stability is needed - Lack of Success is born out of signing lots of "big name" players, all expecting a large pay packet and an easy ride to promotion - A change in the Transfer Policy is needed - Lack of Success is born out of poor and inconsistent performances - A new squad ethic is needed - Lack of Success is born out of lack of physicality in the players, particularly in midfield - More physical players are needed. Please tell me how keeping and backing Pearson is NOT going to help any of theses issues? Pearson has actually idetified and started to deal with all of theses problems. He manages with a long term vision. He has signed cheap, hungry players with potential. He is creating a new squad ethic/mentality. And he is going to sign more physical players. Good work.
Dan Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Kermorgant? Adams? N'Guessan? Wayne Brown? How many of the players Pearson signed for us this time or last will ever play Premier football? Marshall, maybe Drinkwater...and that's it. His track record isn't really all that. Players who all got higher in the league that our current bunch, mainly signed by Sven. Go figure.
Babylon Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 But the argument for giving him more time is that he will add sufficient quality to the squad for us to make a stronger challenge for promotion, when there's actually little evidence to suggest this will happen. He may make use of the loan market (as he's done previously and so did Eriksson) but that would hardly be a recipe for long-term stability. If we had the budget at the time, it's very possible we could have signed some of them on a permanent before they went on to play premier football.
seenitall Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 It's being used because you fail to treat the two of them the same. What was ok for one is not ok for the other, and that's why people constantly throw it at you. As for signings, you can only send player out if people want them. It's not a case of just wanting rid, there are two sides to the story. The midfield had cover, prior to blackpool we had a fully fit midfield with King a week away. we picked up three injuries in that game. He tried to sign two midfielders the next day, but the deadline closed that night and we ran out of time. Danns then compounded the problem by getting sent off. Of course I treat the two of them the same - they both failed at this level so far - one should have been given more than 13 games with his new squad (even you agree) and one has failed to motivate that squad in the subsequent 30 games, but the upshot is the same - we are stuck at this level. King being a week away is a poor reason to not sign some cover, as it was he was a lot longer away (sack the physio now?) and Nige had already let several experienced midfielders go, Abe's wage alone should have been enough to cover a couple of Cleverley alikes. In Nige we trust, but it seems he did drop a bit of a bollock there.
accessory Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Love how you just mention 4. Cleverley - Playing for Man United and possibly going Euros ..and very injury-prone. But we were never going to sign him on a permanent basis. Hobbs - A part of the best defence in this division. Lost his way under Sousa and shamefully under-rated by Eriksson. But currently out with a knee injury and may take some time to rebuild his career. Spearing - Playing first team football for Liverpool Another loan signing, and not particularly well-regarded among scousers. His selection for them says more about Dalglish that his actual abilities. His signings are good, he normally signs young, hungry players who will work as a team and graft. As Wellens and Gallagher (32 and 27 respectively) have done so often this season...
Babylon Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Of course I treat the two of them the same - they both failed at this level so far - one should have been given more than 13 games with his new squad (even you agree) and one has failed to motivate that squad in the subsequent 30 games, but the upshot is the same - we are stuck at this level. But you've been against him from day one. Abe's wage alone should have been enough to cover a couple of Cleverley alikes. You mean like Drinkwater and Marshall? Two CM's went, one came in and one winger came in (we only had one so needed another).
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Not that I'm in the Pearson out brigade, nor have I even bothered to read the first post but: Disaster - '2. a thing, project, etc, that fails or has been ruined' I'd say this season's project has failed. It couldn't have gone much worse. Spending around £10-15m and not even getting close to the play-offs is a disaster in footballing terms. I agree Kitch... What has surprised me has been the continued 'expectation' that we would do well this season. It's been a rubbish season, with mainly just decent players generally underperforming. Pearson has his work cut out at Leicester this time. Moreso than last time IMO. Their are STILL people suggesting that Beckford needs time to settle-in or that King is a 'quality' player etc. Wake up people, smell the coffee and accept that the squad is actually in a right old two and eight.
seenitall Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 But you've been against him from day one. You mean like Drinkwater and Marshall? Two CM's went, one came in and one winger came in (we only had one so needed another). Absolute bullshit - I was more than happy when he came back - I was right behind him up until he stropped off the first time and hoped he would be able to get things going again here. It is the constant playing of Gally, King when fit, Wellens when not, falling out with Mills, lack of tactical sense, fielding the wrong team at crucial times, generally (except once) making naff substitutions at the wrong time (something he regularly did the first time around too) his inability to get proven players playing well (Nugent, Beckford, Schmeichel) poor defensive record (for the first time since he has been here), and apparent desire (we don't know yet) to take us back to the stone age footballing wise that have led me to believe he has declined from the man he was - started falling out of love with him after the Bristol and Peterborough games and seen nothing since to change my mind . So there
Raw Dykes Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 (Cleverly)..and very injury-prone. But we were never going to sign him on a permanent basis. (Hobbs) Lost his way under Sousa and shamefully under-rated by Eriksson. But currently out with a knee injury and may take some time to rebuild his career. (Spearing) Another loan signing, and not particularly well-regarded among scousers. His selection for them says more about Dalglish that his actual abilities. As Wellens and Gallagher (32 and 27 respectively) have done so often this season... You really are clutching at straws now. Are you really suggesting that Cleverly, Hobbs or Spearing weren't good signings for us? What do you want? For the manager to look into the future and decide against signing a player that helped us, because his performances might decline in the future for the next manager of the club, or starts picking up injuries more regularly down the line? About Cleverly, who's to say that Pearson wouldn't have signed him permanently if he had the same budget as Sven had last summer? And what's wrong with loaning players, anyway? So, about Spearing, you're saying if some fans of one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the entire country don't think he's one of their best players, then he's definitely not good enough for us? I think you're on the wind up. Wellens and Gallagher have both done well for us in the past. They were both part of that side that finished 5th. It was not Pearson who extended their contracts.
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 Absolute bullshit - I was more than happy when he came back - I was right behind him up until he stropped off the first time and hoped he would be able to get things going again here. It is the constant playing of Gally, King when fit, Wellens when not, falling out with Mills, lack of tactical sense, fielding the wrong team at crucial times, generally (except once) making naff substitutions at the wrong time (something he regularly did the first time around too) his inability to get proven players playing well (Nugent, Beckford, Schmeichel) poor defensive record (for the first time since he has been here), and apparent desire (we don't know yet) to take us back to the stone age footballing wise that have led me to believe he has declined from the man he was - started falling out of love with him after the Bristol and Peterborough games and seen nothing since to change my mind . So there Who was he supposed to play in place of King, Wellens, Gally? How many of the defenders has he signed? 1! Is inability to get proven players playing well? Schmeichel has been excellent ALL season and Beckford has improve no end. He was an embarrassment under Sven! Fielding the wrong team at times? Yeah cos he's had LOADS of options hasnt he....!!!
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 April 2012 Posted 27 April 2012 You really are clutching at straws now. Are you really suggesting that Cleverly, Hobbs or Spearing weren't good signings for us? What do you want? For the manager to look into the future and decide against signing a player that helped us, because his performances might decline in the future for the next manager of the club, or starts picking up injuries more regularly down the line? About Cleverly, who's to say that Pearson wouldn't have signed him permanently if he had the same budget as Sven had last summer? And what's wrong with loaning players, anyway? So, about Spearing, you're saying if some fans of one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the entire country don't think he's one of their best players, then he's definitely not good enough for us? I think you're on the wind up. Wellens and Gallagher have both done well for us in the past. They were both part of that side that finished 5th. It was not Pearson who extended their contracts. Super post... Could not agree more
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