Captain... Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Do you seriously think that in the space of a month, anyone can trace a second hand, internet capable phone, with a new sim card every time( they only cost a quid) before the phone is destroyed and they get another one. Altogether, it doesn't cost much more than home broadband to carry out trolling if they really want to do it and hide. How are they going to trace it? But you don't even need to go that far, internet cafes would be untraceable, I would assume wi-fi hotspots would be too, and using proxies/ip masking software, very easy to do, I did it in Spain to give me a uk IP address so I could watch BBC iplayer, very easy to do and would make it much harder to trace someone.
Leicester_Numan Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 But you don't even need to go that far, internet cafes would be untraceable, I would assume wi-fi hotspots would be too, and using proxies/ip masking software, very easy to do, I did it in Spain to give me a uk IP address so I could watch BBC iplayer, very easy to do and would make it much harder to trace someone. Internet cafes are hardly untraceable if they've got a cctv camera. Even proxies can eventually be traced back and you can't dispose of a pc or laptop as easily as a mobile. To be honest, that way of doing it sounds like a lot more hassle than buying a second hand mobile
Bellend Sebastian Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/12/how-to-deal-with-trolls?newsfeed=true All very sensible, but no mention of concocting an elaborate fantasy where you make your troll out to be your cousin Geoff and repeatedly tell him that he's just bitter because Auntie Janice left him out of the will because he pooed himself at her diamond wedding party, aged 13, and that everyone points and laughs at him while he drives around Barwell trying to impress people in his Vel Satis
Daggers Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 When ever it sends data of any sort it can be traced, and this can be done historically. Of course switching it off and/ or taking the battery out and it can't be seen but pinging it is not the best way to trace it, there are numerous other ways to find out who has it. A super aware and clever user would prove very difficult to find but you would be surprised at the stupid things that do identify the users. But, as has been pointed out, a law like this is only any use if it targets the worst offenders and, as you begin to admit, it will not get them. At best it involves the release of an IP which fails to identifies the user (as all of the thrown out cases for copyright theft testify). A determined troll operating a proxy and a tor is invisible, an IP at a shared address identifies no one. To date, you have still failed to explain a single benefit this law confers.
James. Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 88% of 'trolls' actually just morons 13-06-12 MOST people assumed to be internet trolls genuinely believe their hateful, demented statements, it has been claimed. Researchers at the Institute for Studies interviewed alleged ‘trolls’ and found that their postings were not deliberately antagonistic, but that they actually believed that all Youtube users are gay, the ‘EUSSR’ is a political entity and Kate McCann is a prostitute. Professor Henry Brubaker said: “It’s easy to assume that someone is trolling when they make an implausible-sounding hateful statement, for example that albinos caused the banking crisis. “But statistically it’s more likely they believe that melanin-deprived people snuck into the Bank of England and took all the money to buy sunglasses. “So maybe the world is less of a hateful place than we thought, but more of a moronic one.” Alleged troll Wayne Hayes said: “When I repeatedly post comments saying that the 2.4% Muslim population of the UK is planning to take over, I am not making a rhetorical point. “I do actually think that Mr Ishani from the shop down the road will one day cut my hands off and feed them to his cat. “Similarly, although we have a Conservative-led coalition government, I am certain that a cabal of Islington ‘Guardianistas’ led by Polly Toynbee runs the UK, in between drinking champagne and doing lesbianism.” Housewife Carolyn Ryan said: “When I went on a cancer victim’s Facebook memorial page and accused her of being a paedophile, that was based on hard empirical research, namely seeing her touching up a kiddie in Asda. “Or maybe that was her husband who is quite short, thinking back the child did have a beard and a bald patch.”
Daggers Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Alleged troll Wayne Hayes said: “When I repeatedly post comments saying that the 2.4% Muslim population of the UK is planning to take over, I am not making a rhetorical point. “I do actually think that Mr Ishani from the shop down the road will one day cut my hands off and feed them to his cat. “Similarly, although we have a Conservative-led coalition government, I am certain that a cabal of Islington ‘Guardianistas’ led by Polly Toynbee runs the UK, in between drinking champagne and doing lesbianism.” Which marvellous creature does this remind me of?
Finnegan Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Which marvellous creature does this remind me of? Magnificent.
Corky Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Housewife Carolyn Ryan said: “When I went on a cancer victim’s Facebook memorial page and accused her of being a paedophile, that was based on hard empirical research, namely seeing her touching up a kiddie in Asda. “Or maybe that was her husband who is quite short, thinking back the child did have a beard and a bald patch.”
1964FOX Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 But, as has been pointed out, a law like this is only any use if it targets the worst offenders and, as you begin to admit, it will not get them. At best it involves the release of an IP which fails to identifies the user (as all of the thrown out cases for copyright theft testify). A determined troll operating a proxy and a tor is invisible, an IP at a shared address identifies no one. To date, you have still failed to explain a single benefit this law confers. I was of the belief more than the IP address would be released if required. Personally still think it's a good addition to our legislation and would catch out most trolls including some of th worst ones a it does not follow that the worst have the most knowledge to hide. We clearly won't agree on this subject but I still maintain this is not a piece of the 'big brother' style as suggested by some. It's not the best and most thorough piece of legislation but I've seen much worse.
Ashley Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Recently on a friends Facebook. After I commented on a status' saying Norwich fans were wrong for defacing a statue of Sir Bobby Robson because he played for Ipswich... And that's why they did it. You should of seen the bar ridge of abuse I recieved. First reply " Shut up you paki bashing Hindu loving curry **** " because I'm from Leicester. Then the racist replies continued.... Also got told to stop breathing because it would do the world a load of good. This isn't trolling that's just being total dickheads.
Rincewind Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Just sound like they need to grow up. Post after the watershed next time.
Ashley Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Just sound like they need to grow up. Post after the watershed next time. Sorry just wound me up. They do need to grow up.
Rincewind Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 If it was not you it would be some one else. I would confuse them in a wordy intelligent reply which insults them back without them knowing it. Saw a stand up comedian and he did a bit on how he deals with racist taxi-drivers. Can't remember it exactly but the TD would make some generalization and he would agree and give an even more ridiculous example to which the TD would say that is ridiculous and he'd reply exactly. But he did say there was a danger of them agreeing or believing.
MooseBreath Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Government to spare no expense in invading people's privacy as much as possible http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/13/online-privacy-legislation-internet-phone-data
Daggers Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 I was of the belief more than the IP address would be released if required. Personally still think it's a good addition to our legislation and would catch out most trolls including some of th worst ones a it does not follow that the worst have the most knowledge to hide. We clearly won't agree on this subject but I still maintain this is not a piece of the 'big brother' style as suggested by some. It's not the best and most thorough piece of legislation but I've seen much worse. But what more can be given? A Hotmail account? That's it. No address, no phone number, no real name...no benefit over any law currently in place. We aren't going to agree because you still haven't given a reason why an unworkable, superfluous, circumventable law should be brought into being.
Daggers Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Sorry just wound me up. They do need to grow up. Didn't your mate say anything, Ash? Didn't he delete the crap and block the cùnt?
Ashley Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Didn't your mate say anything, Ash? Didn't he delete the crap and block the cùnt? No mate. Not at all. He's only 17 though. The lads that where abusing me were nearly twice my age though. Some with kids. Even got threatened that if any of them seen me at a Norwich or Leeds game they would 'sort me out good and proper'. If I can find the status' I'll print screen it on here.
Guest MattP Posted 13 June 2012 Posted 13 June 2012 Didn't your mate say anything, Ash? Didn't he delete the crap and block the cùnt? See that what annoys me a bit, it's almost become expected if someone insults you should just block and forget about it. Far as I'm concerned if I'm talking to someone in a Facebook it's no different to any other social encounter, if someone insulted you a pub at worst they get a slap and at best you have a go back, I wouldnt just walk out.
1964FOX Posted 14 June 2012 Posted 14 June 2012 See that what annoys me a bit, it's almost become expected if someone insults you should just block and forget about it. Far as I'm concerned if I'm talking to someone in a Facebook it's no different to any other social encounter, if someone insulted you a pub at worst they get a slap and at best you have a go back, I wouldnt just walk out. But the reality is these idiots would probably never be confrontational in real life. They hide behind the anonymity of a forum account. Big brave men when there is no chance of a comeback.
MooseBreath Posted 14 June 2012 Posted 14 June 2012 Why are we even entertaining the idea that this is about keyboard warriers? Nobody cares about them, there might be one legal case out of every million cases of trolling. This is about control and invading privacy.
Daggers Posted 14 June 2012 Posted 14 June 2012 See that what annoys me a bit, it's almost become expected if someone insults you should just block and forget about it. If you don't then you better enjoy conflict.
JadeFalcon Posted 14 June 2012 Posted 14 June 2012 i advise you read the link moosebreath posted, its quite shocking, if this goes through then we are china http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18434112 we need to fight this and fight it hard
Daggers Posted 14 June 2012 Posted 14 June 2012 https://www.torproject.org/ http://hidemyass.com/ http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/onion-browser/id519296448?mt=8
BoneDog Posted 14 June 2012 Posted 14 June 2012 i advise you read the link moosebreath posted, its quite shocking, if this goes through then we are china http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-18434112 we need to fight this and fight it hard Yes it's appalling! It's going to cost hundreds of millions of pounds aswell. Which we, the taxpayer, will be forking out. So basically we'll be paying the rulers to spy on us! I'm sure we'll get good value for money on this one. Whichever agencies have access to the information collected on many of us will know everything about us, from where we're going to be next Friday, to the addresses of everybody we know. Anyone who is protesting or speaking out will have nowhere to hide and any opposition can easily be nipped at the bud! I'm sure that all great dictators would dream of such a system.
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