Parafox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 The PM has announced he will hold an "in-out" referendum on EU membership for Britain if he wins the next election. Will this make any difference? If we vote to leave will it be for better or for worse? If we vote to stay in how will he re-negotiate the terms of Britains membership? What would be best for us as a nation? Or is it, as I believe, a way of securing votes at the next election and is not much more that a cynical ploy to win over anti-Europeans and to boost the Tory vote in 3 years time?
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Yeah it's just a populist promise to win back some of the UKIP defects. They're not stupid, they're going to know UKIP are one of their biggest threats.
Raj Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Im VERY confused about Europe......Can someone explain in ONE sentance!!
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Im VERY confused about Europe......Can someone explain in ONE sentance!! It's that bit above Africa that's next to China.
Guest MattP Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 In reality no one can say for certain if we would be better off in or out. From a business point of view it's tricky as it does give us some benefits, there is clearly some negotiating that needs to go on regarding others things though and it's absolutely obscene a country can't control who comes over it's borders and set it's own laws because of influence from an outside body that it's people didn't elect. This probably isn't going to happen though, no way in a million years can I see Cameron winning the next election outright, the reason he is losing a lot of his core vote is because he lied the first time round about a referendum, those people won't trust him again because he's just made another promise.
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 The PM has announced he will hold an "in-out" referendum on EU membership for Britain if he wins the next election. Or is it, as I believe, a way of securing votes at the next election and is not much more that a cynical ploy to win over anti-Europeans and to boost the Tory vote in 3 years time? They want the UKIP voters vote. I really can`t see them giving us a referendum, its a load of hot air. Can you really see us leaving the EU? Politicians speak with forked tongue...
Rincewind Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 They are losing some of the popularity they had so are using this to gain votes from the flag wavers many who do not know all the issues with being a member. They form their opinion based on stories like 'Britain forced to grow square bananas.' Personally I also do not know the intricate details of pro's and' cons and skeptical when reading about either argument. I do not think it will affect the ordinary man on the street either way. They are more concerned about price of food petrol, job security and running their home.
Harry - LCFC Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 It's that bit above Africa that's next to China. ....next to China.......
Parafox Posted 24 January 2013 Author Posted 24 January 2013 It's that bit above Africa that's next to China. Equally as confused
Guest MattP Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 It's that bit above Africa that's next to China. Has China moved since I last went there?
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Has China moved since I last went there? Is there anywhere you have`nt been?
Father Ted Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 This will never happen, like people have said, it's to steal the UKIP vote.
Guest MattP Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Is there anywhere you have`nt been? Central/South America and Middle Africa, I've covered pretty much everywhere else. Hopefully sort the former out in 2014.
lavrentis Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 We CANNOT renegotiate anything in Europe. It goes against everything the European bureaucrats wants. It's a nice try by Cameron but he will try and run a pro europe campaign before the referendum but I can't see him winning the next one. The UKIP vote will be too significant. It's a very tough one as UKIP votes essentially are labour ones
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 We CANNOT renegotiate anything in Europe. It goes against everything the European bureaucrats wants. It's a nice try by Cameron but he will try and run a pro europe campaign before the referendum but I can't see him winning the next one. The UKIP vote will be too significant. It's a very tough one as UKIP votes essentially are labour ones Are they? not too sure about that.
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 ....next to China....... Yeah, c'mon on, all them "-stans" are basically Europe. They play in our footy like.
Raj Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Is Israel in the Eu? Cos the fcukers are in the Eurovison song contest...No wonder there is confusion
Webbo Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 They are losing some of the popularity they had so are using this to gain votes from the flag wavers many who do not know all the issues with being a member. They form their opinion based on stories like 'Britain forced to grow square bananas.' Personally I also do not know the intricate details of pro's and' cons and skeptical when reading about either argument. I do not think it will affect the ordinary man on the street either way. They are more concerned about price of food petrol, job security and running their home. You don't think the EU has a role in any of that? It's a mistake to think that all Labour voters are pro EU. Milliband saying that a referendum is dangerous, i.e. people can't be trusted to vote the right way, is far more concerning to me than leaving the EU. Democracy is supposed to reflect the will of the people, what kind of potential PM wants to keep us in the EU against our will?
Rincewind Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Some of it may but I am not sure how direct the affect will be.
Harry - LCFC Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Yeah, c'mon on, all them "-stans" are basically Europe. They play in our footy like. That's not a viewpoint I've heard before - Basing geographical boundaries around football tournaments seems like a decent idea. You've effectively increased the size of Europe by 50%, might not go down to well when Cameron negotiates our EU membership
Parafox Posted 24 January 2013 Author Posted 24 January 2013 You don't think the EU has a role in any of that? It's a mistake to think that all Labour voters are pro EU. Milliband saying that a referendum is dangerous, i.e. people can't be trusted to vote the right way, is far more concerning to me than leaving the EU. Democracy is supposed to reflect the will of the people, what kind of potential PM wants to keep us in the EU against our will? Yes, but it could be argued that the will of the people is not necessarily best in making some political decisions. What concerns me is that the blinkered ones of this world will see this as a way of exercising their will and will vote Tory on the basis of getting a vote on Europe. Which will probably not happen in the way we expect. Saying it will be an "in-out" vote but not saying what will happen if Britain votes to leave is just weasel words.
Webbo Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Yes, but it could be argued that the will of the people is not necessarily best in making some political decisions. What concerns me is that the blinkered ones of this world will see this as a way of exercising their will and will vote Tory on the basis of getting a vote on Europe. Which will probably not happen in the way we expect. Saying it will be an "in-out" vote but not saying what will happen if Britain votes to leave is just weasel words. In that case can we cancel the next election in case Labour get in? The referendum, if we get one, won't be until 2017. All the different scenarios will be shown by all different sides in the run up.
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 That's not a viewpoint I've heard before - Basing geographical boundaries around football tournaments seems like a decent idea. You've effectively increased the size of Europe by 50%, might not go down to well when Cameron negotiates our EU membership For the record, neither of those two posts were meant to be taken seriously or accurately.
Guest MattP Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Yes, but it could be argued that the will of the people is not necessarily best in making some political decisions. What concerns me is that the blinkered ones of this world will see this as a way of exercising their will and will vote Tory on the basis of getting a vote on Europe. Which will probably not happen in the way we expect. Saying it will be an "in-out" vote but not saying what will happen if Britain votes to leave is just weasel words. What's wrong with that? That's democracy, a party promises something and it you agree or want it you can vote for them. I agree with you on the people can't be trusted to decide mind, look at all those people who actually still voted at the last election to keep a lunatic like Gordon Brown in charge despite everything he had done. Even his own party have distanced themselves from him now. At least we know the BBC will be completely unbiased when discussing the merits of our role in the EU. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9055183/BBC-admits-receiving-millions-in-grants-from-EU-and-councils.html
Harry - LCFC Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 For the record, neither of those two posts were meant to be taken seriously or accurately. I realised! I guess I sounded like I was taking your point seriously when I wrote that, I was a bit concerned when you wrote "next to China" until you explained your reasoning.
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