Manwell Pablo Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 App I agree, we tried. Apparently the CPS don't pursue it as it fails in court if they are deemed to be in a relationship and are relatively close in age. I was going to say the defence lawyers get the lads off, but that would sound wrong in this context. Odd, makes you question the point in the law really. Although I'd say there is very little in difference in maturity between a 14 year old girl and a 17 year old lad, and there plenty of relationships between people of similar ages when I was in school. Admittidly none of them ended up with kids before 16. Funny subject. Anyway, I'm going back to making stupid remarks this is getting too deep.
Carl the Llama Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 Just out of interest Para, had you or your missus had any meaningful talks with your daughter about contraceptives prior to this happening, or was sex a taboo topic in your household?
Parafox Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 Just out of interest Para, had you or your missus had any meaningful talks with your daughter about contraceptives prior to this happening, or was sex a taboo topic in your household? We had many conversations about relationships as we were aware of her immaturity and her background. (she was a child in care until 2 and a half when we adopted her). She had, and still has, low self-esteem and other issues which create problems in forming decent relationships. In my daughter's case it was nothing to do with ignorance. More the need to find love. Either in the sexual relationship or from the child that resulted. Sadly it all failed horribly.
ADK Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 I don't think you can criminalise a 17 year old having a relationship with a 15 year old. But proposing it to be legal for a 40 year old to have a relationship with a 13 year old just seems wrong.
DennisNedry Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 Well, 13 year old boys should be able to have consensual sex with 13 year old girls (which is currently illegal). But an adult (18+) with a 13 year old is just wrong.
Parafox Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 Well, 13 year old boys should be able to have consensual sex with 13 year old girls (which is currently illegal). But an adult (18+) with a 13 year old is just wrong. Dear God. It beggars belief how some people think. How can a 13 yr old of either sex have any concept of a sexual relationship other than "getting laid". Which is a totally immature point of view and hence justifies the legal age of consent. It's also the reason why so many STD's are around in young people as well as unexpected under age pregnancies. That's why it's 16. Because kids under that age (and many over it) are irresponsible because they have no concept or the maturity of mind to equate consequences of actions in this respect.
Haydos Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 Well, 13 year old boys should be able to have consensual sex with 13 year old girls (which is currently illegal). But an adult (18+) with a 13 year old is just wrong. That's very much a matter of opinion. I don't agree I certainly wasn't responsible enough when I was that age, I was a little shit and couldn't be trusted to do much let alone not procreating. There'll be the usual 'there's plenty of 16 year olds in the same boat' replies but the fact is there's a lot more mature 16 year olds than 13 year olds. The education is barely there as it is, there shouldn't be any more reason for (let's be honest) kids that have barely hit puberty to be sleeping together.
Guest Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 Well, 13 year old boys should be able to have consensual sex with 13 year old girls (which is currently illegal). But an adult (18+) with a 13 year old is just wrong. I take it that's a wind up. If not are you a teenager/early 20's guy?
Haydos Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 I take it that's a wind up. If not are you a teenager/early 20's guy? What's age got to do with it out of interest? Surely it's quite an out of date view rather than a contemporary one.
Haydos Posted 9 May 2013 Posted 9 May 2013 It's the fact it's an immature viewpoint. It's a stupid viewpoint.
DennisNedry Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 Dear God. It beggars belief how some people think. How can a 13 yr old of either sex have any concept of a sexual relationship other than "getting laid". Which is a totally immature point of view and hence justifies the legal age of consent. It's also the reason why so many STD's are around in young people as well as unexpected under age pregnancies. That's why it's 16. Because kids under that age (and many over it) are irresponsible because they have no concept or the maturity of mind to equate consequences of actions in this respect. I think you'll find that 'getting laid' is the main concern of hundreds of thousands of young men every Friday/Saturday night. As for STD's and pregnancies, if the education is there and protection is used, these things aren't issues. I don't think that the law should have the right to dictate the freedoms of sexual mature young people (13 is too young, but I know for sure that there will be thousands of mature 15 year old couples out there unable to do one of the most natural things in the world). I don't really take kindly to the opening lines of your reply, seeming to imply that my opinion is somehow stupid or invalid. I respect your opinion. I'm sorry to read about your daughters experiences, but maybe you should have done a better job protecting her as a father.
Haydos Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 I think you'll find that 'getting laid' is the main concern of hundreds of thousands of young men every Friday/Saturday night. As for STD's and pregnancies, if the education is there and protection is used, these things aren't issues. I don't think that the law should have the right to dictate the freedoms of sexual mature young people (13 is too young, but I know for sure that there will be thousands of mature 15 year old couples out there unable to do one of the most natural things in the world). I don't really take kindly to the opening lines of your reply, seeming to imply that my opinion is somehow stupid or invalid. I respect your opinion. I'm sorry to read about your daughters experiences, but maybe you should have done a better job protecting her as a father. A few things so say about this post. 1) The education isn't there. Kids don't take sex ed that seriously, it's all a big joke about willies and boobies, at least it was when I was in year 7. I just kind of found out as I went along. 2) It's to do with drawing the line. Yeah, there'll be mature 15 year old couples that should be allowed to but then again there'll be 5 times as many who aren't responsible enough. This is why it's a difficult topic to get right. If like most though they're going to do it anyway and (at least in this country) nobody will get in trouble for it usually (I do agree there needs to be something done about statutory rape laws and underage couples that are honest and responsible). 3) That's harsh and uncalled for. You can only raise kids so far, if they get involved with certain people or in a certain group there is little you can do to stop them whether it be drugs, sex or whatever. If you're lucky your kid will be responsible and make the right decisions. Out of interest do you have kids?
Wymsey Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 The issue is that we have such an embarrassing relationship with sex in this nation; that it's not difficult here to turn this activity into criminality. The current sex abuse allegations make this country be perceived as a backward, helpless society.
FoxesAreBlue Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 The issue is that we have such an embarrassing relationship with sex in this nation; that it's not difficult here to turn this activity into criminality. The current sex abuse allegations make this country be perceived as a backward, helpless society. Ay up! Where have you been?
Captain... Posted 12 May 2013 Posted 12 May 2013 A few points, the education was there for me, I had my first sex education class at 10, in primary school, I don't think I really understood what sex was before that, but after that it was clear it was very dangerous and needed to be respected and undertaken responsibly. I had further sex education in secondary school, but I think it was good to start talking about it so early, but I realise this isn't the case in all schools. The age of consent is completely arbitrary as humans aren't robots and everyone matures mentally and physically at different rates, but there needs to be some clearly defined line in the sand that everyone knows and understands, I would be very comfortable with that line being lowered, or blurred a little (half age plus 7 rule), especially as it would force authorities and parents to consider educating their children about sex much earlier.
Parafox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 I think you'll find that 'getting laid' is the main concern of hundreds of thousands of young men every Friday/Saturday night. As for STD's and pregnancies, if the education is there and protection is used, these things aren't issues. I don't think that the law should have the right to dictate the freedoms of sexual mature young people (13 is too young, but I know for sure that there will be thousands of mature 15 year old couples out there unable to do one of the most natural things in the world). I don't really take kindly to the opening lines of your reply, seeming to imply that my opinion is somehow stupid or invalid. I respect your opinion. I'm sorry to read about your daughters experiences, but maybe you should have done a better job protecting her as a father. I'm sorry if you took an implication from my reply that wasn't meant. As for your closing comment, I find that offensive. You don't know me or my daughter. She has issues that are nothing to do with how we brought her up. In trying to "protect" her one evening, I got beaten up by a 16 yr old youth from the group of so -called friends she was with. In the past she has climbed out of her bedroom window and gone off to be with inappropriate friends in he PJ's. We have had to report her missing on several occasions when she was 14-15. Believe me, we have gone to enormous lengths to protect her and still do, even though she is no longer a teenager and lives seperately from us.
DennisNedry Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 I'm sorry if you took an implication from my reply that wasn't meant. As for your closing comment, I find that offensive. You don't know me or my daughter. She has issues that are nothing to do with how we brought her up. In trying to "protect" her one evening, I got beaten up by a 16 yr old youth from the group of so -called friends she was with. In the past she has climbed out of her bedroom window and gone off to be with inappropriate friends in he PJ's. We have had to report her missing on several occasions when she was 14-15. Believe me, we have gone to enormous lengths to protect her and still do, even though she is no longer a teenager and lives seperately from us. Listen mate I'm sorry about what I said, it was harsh and uninformed. Was in a shitty and argumentative mood at the time of posting.
AoWW Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 I think you'll find that 'getting laid' is the main concern of hundreds of thousands of young men every Friday/Saturday night. As for STD's and pregnancies, if the education is there and protection is used, these things aren't issues. I don't think that the law should have the right to dictate the freedoms of sexual mature young people (13 is too young, but I know for sure that there will be thousands of mature 15 year old couples out there unable to do one of the most natural things in the world). I don't really take kindly to the opening lines of your reply, seeming to imply that my opinion is somehow stupid or invalid. I respect your opinion. I'm sorry to read about your daughters experiences, but maybe you should have done a better job protecting her as a father. **** I just gave this a rep point completely by accident. Suffice to say, I don't agree with it in any respect.
Wymsey Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 In conclusion, clearly a common minted lawyer (no offence to anyone who is of this profession on here) saying these things. Nothing like big-money to turn them shameful and vile human-beings.
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