ADK Posted 19 December 2013 Posted 19 December 2013 I guess it depends on what you want to believe and what your experiences are. I think I read there were 20,000 odd Poles in the country before the open border and that there are now 600,000. I don't think so many people have actually lost jobs as simply not been able to get jobs due to them being taken by foreign workers. This is why youth unemployment is so high.
Captain... Posted 19 December 2013 Posted 19 December 2013 I guess it depends on what you want to believe and what your experiences are. I think I read there were 20,000 odd Poles in the country before the open border and that there are now 600,000. I don't think so many people have actually lost jobs as simply not been able to get jobs due to them being taken by foreign workers. This is why youth unemployment is so high. I think that is more down to there being less jobs around and increasing the work force by increasing the retirement age, of course immigration has an impact, but considering that immigration also creates jobs and boosts the economy, it is more likely down to other factors, such as the global economic crisis and three years of recession. Considering we have been inundated by poles since 2004, the figures for youth unemployment had a bit of an increase after that, then jumped massively after 2008 now what happened then?
Stadt Posted 19 December 2013 Posted 19 December 2013 I think that is more down to there being less jobs around and increasing the work force by increasing the retirement age, of course immigration has an impact, but considering that immigration also creates jobs and boosts the economy, it is more likely down to other factors, such as the global economic crisis and three years of recession. Considering we have been inundated by poles since 2004, the figures for youth unemployment had a bit of an increase after that, then jumped massively after 2008 now what happened then? England weren't at the euros. It's England's fault. Mclaren you bellend.
Captain... Posted 19 December 2013 Posted 19 December 2013 England weren't at the euros. It's England's fault. Mclaren you bellend. I was thinking more that we got relegated, truly was a terrible year.
MooseBreath Posted 19 December 2013 Posted 19 December 2013 Can't remember the the media "massively overestimating" the number of Poles who would arrive. Millions came, what would it have taken for someone to massively overestimate that? Five million? I bet no-one can find any media story from any outlet from around 2004 that gives a prediction anywhere near that. It didn't happen - that's just a plain old lie from the pancake. Also that chart shows youth unemployment steadily rising pretty much every single year since mass EU immigration started. We can see the same effect on real wages (hilariously in all sorts of ways, Labour's current populist topic of choice) as they too have steadily fallen as immigrants have been brought in for cheap labour. Plus no media study on the economic benefits of EU immigration ever takes into account the amount of money sent back to the motherland. There's really only one legitimate benefit of mass immigration and that's the provision of cheap labour for businesses. Funny, though not at all surprising, that the same people who are generally anti-capitalism and big business (fck it let's just call them the lefties) are the same people who most commonly support immigration. Another day another example of the liberals getting themselves in a bit of a tangle over what they really stand for.
BoneDog Posted 19 December 2013 Posted 19 December 2013 Cultural Marxism is the devils spawn and it is hard at attacking England. GO TO HELL.
Captain... Posted 20 December 2013 Posted 20 December 2013 Can't remember the the media "massively overestimating" the number of Poles who would arrive. Millions came, what would it have taken for someone to massively overestimate that? Five million? I bet no-one can find any media story from any outlet from around 2004 that gives a prediction anywhere near that. It didn't happen - that's just a plain old lie from the pancake. You don't remember any media exaggeration? Probably because you took it as fact. Millions of Poles came over? When did that happen, the total net migration from the EU (not just Poland) in total since 2004 has been around 700,000, (+1.32 million - 644,000) the total number of EU born immigrants in the UK is around 2.5 million of which 500,000 are Polish, the myth perpetrated by the media and readily believed by all those that want to is at odds with the actual figures. Also that chart shows youth unemployment steadily rising pretty much every single year since mass EU immigration started. We can see the same effect on real wages (hilariously in all sorts of ways, Labour's current populist topic of choice) as they too have steadily fallen as immigrants have been brought in for cheap labour. Not saying it didn't have an impact, but it is clear the greater impact to unemployment came in 2008 when there was a global financial crisis, this being a greater cause than the open immigration. Plus no media study on the economic benefits of EU immigration ever takes into account the amount of money sent back to the motherland. Nor the money sent back to the UK by emigrants. There's really only one legitimate benefit of mass immigration and that's the provision of cheap labour for businesses. Funny, though not at all surprising, that the same people who are generally anti-capitalism and big business (fck it let's just call them the lefties) are the same people who most commonly support immigration. Another day another example of the liberals getting themselves in a bit of a tangle over what they really stand for. I don't support mass immigration, and I have no problem with Cameron tightening it up as long he is doing it for the right reasons. I just think that the reaction to Romanians and Bulgarians coming is laughably over the top, and is being pumped up as a reason to leave the EU, or as a vote winner, when really it is going to have very very little impact.
Rincewind Posted 20 December 2013 Posted 20 December 2013 With the increase in retirement age means the older employee is working longer meaning there will be less employment places for the just out of school younger applicants.
Lamby Posted 20 December 2013 Posted 20 December 2013 With the increase in retirement age means the older employee is working longer meaning there will be less employment places for the just out of chool younger applicants. Maybe you can teach them.
Rincewind Posted 20 December 2013 Posted 20 December 2013 Maybe you can teach them. depends on the apprenticeships available.
Lamby Posted 20 December 2013 Posted 20 December 2013 depends on the apprenticeships available. Hopefully not one on spelling
Steven Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Number of Romanian and Bulgarian workers in UK falls Treasury chief secretary Danny Alexander says figures 'give the lie to Ukip's scaremongering on immigration' http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/14/number-romanian-bulgarian-workers-falls-border-controls
bovril Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Unsurprising. I haven't seen a single Bulgarian. Still, I've only been back in Sofia a week.
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Number of Romanian and Bulgarian workers in UK falls Treasury chief secretary Danny Alexander says figures 'give the lie to Ukip's scaremongering on immigration' http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/14/number-romanian-bulgarian-workers-falls-border-controls I thought we were supposed to get all the population of both countries plus ~2 million zombies as well?
Filbert's Friend Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Damn immigrants coming here taking British jobs. They shouldn't be allowed in! ... except Riyad Mahrez, Anthony Knockaert, Jeff Schlupp, Chris Wood, Marcin Wasilewski, Richie De Laet and Kasper Schmeichel. They can all stay. Because inconsistency and selective bias.
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Damn immigrants coming here taking British jobs. They shouldn't be allowed in! ... except Riyad Mahrez, Anthony Knockaert, Jeff Schlupp, Chris Wood, Marcin Wasilewski, Richie De Laet and Kasper Schmeichel. They can all stay. Because inconsistency and selective bias. In fairness, Schlupp is a British citizen (born in Milton Keynes)
Jimothy Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 In fairness, Schlupp is a British citizen (born in Milton Keynes) Hamburg, that infamous suburb of Milton Keynes?
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Hamburg, that infamous suburb of Milton Keynes? Eh, both are full of freaks barely capable of speaking English. Did he come from Milton Keynes to us then? I know there's something to do with Milton Keynes in there.
Jimothy Posted 14 May 2014 Posted 14 May 2014 Eh, both are full of freaks barely capable of speaking English. Did he come from Milton Keynes to us then? I know there's something to do with Milton Keynes in there. I think he moved to MK as a kid and went school there.
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