The death of Molly malone

[truebluethroughandthrough]

On Tuesday night I was unfortunate enough to witness the death of an old friend, a true passion and a massive influence on my life. It was, of course the atmosphere at my club, your's as well.

Now I know I'm not a regular poster, so to some my opinion may not count for much but what I am is a supporter of this club for 30 years, it's a Sunday and I haven't got a lot on...

In that time we've seen the highs the lows and mediocre.

But the one main factor for giving my love and passion for the club was the atmosphere, it was addictive and certainly the main reason I came back as a kid.

Now I know that the demographics have changed but as a former L1 STH that's no excuse.

At a guess I'd imagine at least 50% of our crowd on Tuesday would age between 15-40, so that's at least 12/13 thousand all capable of creating a cup night atmosphere.

What we had was a couple of hundred trying and failing. 

Obviously I didn't make the game yesterday as I was in mourning...

But as I listened on the radio, our away support, as ever, sounded amazing.

So you have to ask the question, why are we SO bad at home?

I understand that some of our vocal fans had to accommodate the away support, but it shouldn't of stopped anyone singing.

The fact that all our potential vocal support are scattered around the ground doesn't help either which lead me to write this post.

There is already talk on this forum of getting all vocal supporters to the back of S K1 for the Boro game.

I for one will be there. The club don't care about atmosphere, it's all about bums on seats and rightly so.

It's up to you and me, and if you can ,come join us, if you're a S T H then obviously more difficult.

But something has to change or I,( like many others already do) will just be attending away games

[jonthefox]

Spot on mate. Sk1 is the singing section ..simple. 

[Thracian]

It's what the authorities have wanted and worked on for years.  In some places, there's more atmosphere watching in the pub. 

[Bayfox]

Radio leicester must turn the mikes up then.

I was at qpr yesterday and the atmosphere was just as flat.

it seems dispite a large number on here wanting to help create an atmosphere we are the minority.

[jonthefox]

Funny thing is. After 10 years of trying in L1 were still not making enough noise, yet 100 belgians turn up and boom. Instant atmosphere.

[Rocket-Ron]

Ace another atmosphere thread.

Incidentally I drank in the Molly Malone pub in Brighton the other week. It wasn't up to much  :xmassad:

[Dan]

Radio leicester must turn the mikes up then.

I was at qpr yesterday and the atmosphere was just as flat.

it seems dispite a large number on here wanting to help create an atmosphere we are the minority.

 

It was flat at times but it was far better than Sheff Weds or Brighton, both of which were embarrassingly poor.

[Dan]

Funny thing is. After 10 years of trying in L1 were still not making enough noise, yet 100 belgians turn up and boom. Instant atmosphere.

 

It's a totally different culture overseas. I can tell you this having been abroad to a game in the past - we're about the only country in the world that wants to eradicate atmosphere, yet we were the ones who started it all.

 

It's depressing.

[Rob1742]

You say the club don't care about the atmosphere. That is rubbish, they would prefer a good atmosphere. However, it is upto the fans to create it. It is the supporters that deliver it, not the club.

What would you want the club to do, supply song sheets and another drum?

It is purely upto the fans. It happens at Stoke and Leeds and other clubs. If our fans can't create it, it is unfortunate.

The club has to work within boundaries set, but if the fans really want to create it, it will happen

[Voll Blau]

You say the club don't care about the atmosphere. That is rubbish, they would prefer a good atmosphere. However, it is upto the fans to create it. It is the supporters that deliver it, not the club.

What would you want the club to do, supply song sheets and another drum?

It is purely upto the fans. It happens at Stoke and Leeds and other clubs. If our fans can't create it, it is unfortunate.

The club has to work within boundaries set, but if the fans really want to create it, it will happen

 

Agree to an extent, but the club could quite easily help by being a bit more passive regarding minor infringements of its ground rules (standing, that nonsense that happened on the Channel 5 programme, letting people in with flags/confetti without making them feel like war criminals). Other clubs turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff with the result that a decent fan culture can be preserved/developed.

 

As you say though, ultimately it is the job of supporters to support. If we can't unite then there's no-one to blame but ourselves.

[Bettsj2]

You say the club don't care about the atmosphere. That is rubbish, they would prefer a good atmosphere. However, it is upto the fans to create it. It is the supporters that deliver it, not the club.

What would you want the club to do, supply song sheets and another drum?

It is purely upto the fans. It happens at Stoke and Leeds and other clubs. If our fans can't create it, it is unfortunate.

The club has to work within boundaries set, but if the fans really want to create it, it will happen

THIS.

Its a complete untruth that you cant generate an atmosphere whilst being seated. Its better standing, I wouldnt ever try ad argue against that, but if 20,000 were singing whether standing or not, the atmosphere would be cracking.

Oh and just one other thing, when we first started singing 'We love you' the atmosphere was starting to get so much better but then quite a high number of fans started being sniffy about it as it wasnt our chant originally and now not so many around the ground join in. Whatever works is good regardless of where it comes from.

[Bayfox]

It was flat at times but it was far better than Sheff Weds or Brighton, both of which were embarrassingly poor.

didnt go to the other 2 mate so can't comment. But considering we were winning v the top side I thought it was poor.

ok the performance wasnt great but football has changed and not for the better.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Radio leicester must turn the mikes up then.

I was at qpr yesterday and the atmosphere was just as flat.

it seems dispite a large number on here wanting to help create an atmosphere we are the minority.

The atmosphere did seem shit yesterday but was loud when i watched it back this morning. Too many completely uninterested in singing

[C-man]

Its a complete untruth that you cant generate an atmosphere whilst being seated. Its better standing, I wouldnt ever try ad argue against that, but if 20,000 were singing whether standing or not, the atmosphere would be cracking.

It's near enough impossible. It's a fact that, amongst other things, standing up gives you a confidence boost. It's why people stand up to deliver speeches, why they stand up to sing at church.

You'd have a point of there was any proof that people who sit down showed any inclination to chant, but the vast majority don't. Some people don't want to chant, that's OK. What's important is those that do organise themselves sufficiently to make an impact.

Hopefully that is being done.

[inckley fox]

I honestly believe alcohol and terracing are the key. And it wouldn't do any harm to have a word with the steward who I saw recently telling someone to quieten down because they were shouting too much.

 

Then there's sustained success. I was used to crowds of 8,000 and 9,000 under Pleat after three years outside the top flight. However when Little sorted us out there were still plenty of fans who'd been there under Gillies, O'Farrell, Bloomfield, Wallace and Milne waiting to come back, and full of voice. But we've been nearly a decade out of the top flight now, and it's a dozen years since we had anything approaching success. It's normal that people lose interest. And, somewhere deep down Freeman's Wharf is still a place we associate with failure. It's not the hallowed ground that Weller and Lineker played on, not the place we stood on the night we won a semi-final or a 92nd minute promotion-clinching winner. It would have been a great thing if we'd beaten Man City on Tuesday and 31,000 people had had the chance to lose themselves in the moment, because when you've made a complete prat of yourself once, it feels a whole lot easier to go and do it all over again. I'm sure the atmosphere will be fixed and fixed for good if we get promoted and have a half decent season, and a few nights like that.

[AndWhat?]

It's near enough impossible. It's a fact that, amongst other things, standing up gives you a confidence boost. It's why people stand up to deliver speeches, why they stand up to sing at church.

You'd have a point of there was any proof that people who sit down showed any inclination to chant, but the vast majority don't. Some people don't want to chant, that's OK. What's important is those that do organise themselves sufficiently to make an impact.

Hopefully that is being done.

This.

[Trumpet]

On Tuesday night I was unfortunate enough to witness the death of an old friend, a true passion and a massive influence on my life. It was, of course the atmosphere at my club, your's as well.

Now I know I'm not a regular poster, so to some my opinion may not count for much but what I am is a supporter of this club for 30 years, it's a Sunday and I haven't got a lot on...

In that time we've seen the highs the lows and mediocre.

But the one main factor for giving my love and passion for the club was the atmosphere, it was addictive and certainly the main reason I came back as a kid.

Now I know that the demographics have changed but as a former L1 STH that's no excuse.

At a guess I'd imagine at least 50% of our crowd on Tuesday would age between 15-40, so that's at least 12/13 thousand all capable of creating a cup night atmosphere.

What we had was a couple of hundred trying and failing. 

Obviously I didn't make the game yesterday as I was in mourning...

But as I listened on the radio, our away support, as ever, sounded amazing.

So you have to ask the question, why are we SO bad at home?

I understand that some of our vocal fans had to accommodate the away support, but it shouldn't of stopped anyone singing.

The fact that all our potential vocal support are scattered around the ground doesn't help either which lead me to write this post.

There is already talk on this forum of getting all vocal supporters to the back of S K1 for the Boro game.

I for one will be there. The club don't care about atmosphere, it's all about bums on seats and rightly so.

It's up to you and me, and if you can ,come join us, if you're a S T H then obviously more difficult.

But something has to change or I,( like many others already do) will just be attending away games

If you thought that the atmosphere died on Tuesday, I'd hazard a guess and say that's the first game you've been to for 10 years?

 

Also, how many Leicester fans were down there on Tuesday? I reckon a lot would have been "premier league" fans wanting to wet themselves over world class players. Just by browsing twitter you see tweets of these people hoping Leicester get promoted so they can watch "their" clubs every other week. 

[truebluethroughandthrough]

If you thought that the atmosphere died on Tuesday, I'd hazard a guess and say that's the first game you've been to for 10 years?

Not at all my friend, the vibe has been going from bad to worse for a while, I agree.

But Tuesday, in front of a full house was the worst I've seen through all that time. At home against Ipswich last year in the snow in front of 8-9 thousand and it was a great atmosphere. So I wouldn't say it's been dead for 10 years but dying? Then probably yes.

[Bayfox]

Not at all my friend, the vibe has been going from bad to worse for a while, I agree.

But Tuesday, in front of a full house was the worst I've seen through all that time. At home against Ipswich last year in the snow in front of 8-9 thousand and it was a great atmosphere. So I wouldn't say it's been dead for 10 years but dying? Then probably yes.

errmmmm.

Middlesbrough???

[truebluethroughandthrough]

errmmmm.

Middlesbrough???

That's the one.

It's Ipswich and snow. They just go together....

My bad.

[halferowley2]

Best home atmosphere I've experienced this season was against Fulham, certainly not a full house, about 15,000 if I remember correctly, big crowds dont always mean big atmospere.

[Pen 3]

It's not rocket science, to build a ground with atmosphere you have to have density and acoustics that magnify noise that would otherwise travel upward. The lower the roof and the higher the number of fans per sq m the noisier a ground will be ( providing the fans actually make a noise of course). Filbert Street was a classic example of this..anyone know a good roofer...?

[TrentFox]

If everyone that moans on here about atmosphere just turned up and sang their fecking heads off, I wonder if the problem would mysteriously just go away ???? Merry Christmas !?! Bah fecking humbug !!! Grrrrrrr !!!

[Mack]

The atmosphere at Loftus Rd yesterday was nothing special which kind of makes a mockery of the OP's point.

Atmosphere at Football is changing nationwide, not just at our club, and for me it's a by product in the change of attitudes people have these days rather than standing / sitting etc.

A lot of people turn up, fold their arms and expect to be entertained, and when it doesn't quite work out like that they are quick to vocalise their disgust. The only game of late I've witnessed a genuine atmosphere at was the Fulham cup game. 

[Bettsj2]

It's near enough impossible. It's a fact that, amongst other things, standing up gives you a confidence boost. It's why people stand up to deliver speeches, why they stand up to sing at church.

You'd have a point of there was any proof that people who sit down showed any inclination to chant, but the vast majority don't. Some people don't want to chant, that's OK. What's important is those that do organise themselves sufficiently to make an impact.

Hopefully that is being done.

Like I said, standing is better no doubt. To say its impossible to create atmosphere whilst sitting is ridiculous. Shout as loud as you can whilst standing then do the same whilst sitting. If you cant reach the same volume whilst sitting see a doctor. The reason it doesnt happen, you correctly say is choice. People dont want to. For those that do, do it. Too many people have something to say until the time comes to make some noise.

I'd love standing to come back but until then, if I cant get into L1, i'll sing in my seat.