Managers

[jimmeh]

So aidy boothroyd got sacked by Northampton town on Saturday. Once dubbed a premiership manager in the making. And then the likes of Martin Allen getting sacked left right and centre. Phil Brown failing everywhere he goes. Owen Coyle starting to fail. Are these 'motovational managers' no longer proving any good in the game. I say motivational. All managers should be. But they all come across as managers without too much tactical knowledge. Is the game changing? How can a manager go from being so successful, (Allen getting Gillingham promotion and then awful in league one) (Coyle getting Burnley promoted and then eventually failing at Bolton and Wigan) to being so bad! Thoughts?

[Corky]

Boothroyd was a Premier League manager, got Watford promoted in his first full season.

 

A lot of managers are flavour of the month types, they have a few good results, the stock rises and they are hyped up. In truth, most are fairly average and have a level.

 

The British type is changing, a lot more emphasis is placed on keeping the ball and the big man, little man strikeforce is being phased out. Top teams are combining physicality with neat football which is making it harder for lower clubs to get at them.

[davieG]

People need to be careful what they wish for by definition there's bound to be more failing managers or at least none winning managers than there are successful ones

 

If there's one thing I've noticed over the years success is not guaranteed no matter how successful someone may have been in the past. 

[Brainy]

Allen wasn't doing that badly with Gillingham in L1 at all

[Webbo]

A manager is only as good as his players. If he hasn't got the money to buy better players or the time to improve the ones he's stuck with they're bound to struggle.

[Stadt]

What I don't understand is why shit managers continue to get jobs? Surely if a manager has failed 3/4 times he's suddenly not going to get good, is he?

[Thracian]

Managers don't always inherit what they wish for nor can they necessarily engineer it during their tenure.

And more especially nowadays when they don't always have the authority to choose their own signings.

 

Join a club at a time when the likes of the Nevilles, Scholes and Giggs are emerging and most anyone with any footballing knowledge and communication skills will enjoy success.

 

Join when such celebrated players are on the wane and you're on a loser to nothing because there's no way that fans used to success will accept a "work in progress" for long. 

 

That said a talented coach should be able to improve whatever team and players he's given.

Sportsmen soon know the kind of manager/coach they're working with and I'd imagine that serial failures are often people with weaker analytical and communication skills than the pacesetters. 

 

They may come across as passionate motivators at first but the tests soon come when the team is losing 2-0 at half-time. Motivational or fearsome speeches might help in the short term but when they don't and if there's no analytical cure for the problems then players quickly lose faith in Mr Motivator.

 

What players want at half-time, or whenever else they've got problems, is answers, and leadership. And quiet answers can be just as effective as reactionary ones.

 

Coaching is not about making the game complicated. It's about proper preparation and repairing faults so simply and with such logic, assurance and consistently beneficial effect, that players have complete faith in what's said to them.

 

When that's the case they'll run through barricades for you.       

[RedHux]

What I don't understand is why shit managers continue to get jobs? Surely if a manager has failed 3/4 times he's suddenly not going to get good, is he?

McClaren?

[The Horse's Mouth]

McClaren?

Exactly, it often depends on the situations of the clubs. I think Derby was a superb fit for McClaren due to the fact they've got no money and McClaren is shit with transfers.

[Super_horns]

Aidy Boothroyd's trouble started when we had some money to spend and he got found out much like Zola but with a very different style of play!

 

Plus Ashley Young and Marlon King left...

[Mack]

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[Aus Fox]

Aidy Boothroyd's trouble started when we had some money to spend and he got found out much like Zola but with a very different style of play!

Plus Ashley Young and Marlon King left...

This is where most managers are found out, Peter Taylor springs to mind. A manager in the lower leagues can often get a good squad and get them on a roll, back to back promotions are very common, however soon as money is involved so many managers fall apart.

[Langston]

So aidy boothroyd got sacked by Northampton town on Saturday. Once dubbed a premiership manager in the making. And then the likes of Martin Allen getting sacked left right and centre. Phil Brown failing everywhere he goes. Owen Coyle starting to fail. Are these 'motovational managers' no longer proving any good in the game. I say motivational. All managers should be. But they all come across as managers without too much tactical knowledge. Is the game changing? How can a manager go from being so successful, (Allen getting Gillingham promotion and then awful in league one) (Coyle getting Burnley promoted and then eventually failing at Bolton and Wigan) to being so bad! Thoughts?

 

Not sure what question you're trying to ask. If you're tactically naiive you'll always get found out at any discernible level, in my opinion, the few you mention are just flash in the pan, I think - nothing to do with management styles or the game changing. The majority of the lot listed have been definitively "successful" in one, perhaps two jobs (bar Allen who actually seems to have done relatively steady at a smattering of certain clubs), tops.