AndWhat? Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 If I was made to sit at a game it would probably ruin the whole thing for me and i'd rather be in the pub. I HATE sitting down at the football, I just feel so detached from what's happening on the pitch. However. I respect the right of people who want to sit. I do think that there should be a natural migration though, I wouldn't dream of standing in the front few rows and I would expect a sitter to show the same courtesy by not sitting in the back few rows. Which is why ALL football fans should be campaigning for standing sections to be introduced in stadiums so this conflict won't happen.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 You do realise in some countries, it's the equivalent of rape? Standing is never safe. There is no such thing as safe standing. This is why mobility scooters are becoming more prevalent, people are waking up to the menace of using their legs.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 If I was made to sit at a game it would probably ruin the whole thing for me and i'd rather be in the pub. I HATE sitting down at the football, I just feel so detached from what's happening on the pitch. However. I respect the right of people who want to sit. I do think that there should be a natural migration though, I wouldn't dream of standing in the front few rows and I would expect a sitter to show the same courtesy by not sitting in the back few rows. Which is why ALL football fans should be campaigning for standing sections to be introduced in stadiums so this conflict won't happen. Pretty much sums it up for me. Until the authorities see sense and change the laws, a bit of give and take needs to be the order of the day. The civil law may be on the side of the sitter, persistent standing is a matter of contract after all, but the fact is that many want to stand at football matches. Courtesy is a two-way street on this one.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 The answer to this question is for the sitter to move down a row so both preferences can be accommodated rather than prioritising one at the expense of another. This might be a suitable resolution in some cases but if you're sitting with people you want to sit next with or don't want to sit next to a stranger then this can't happen. If a bloke is sitting with his son and somebody in front of the son is standing, I don't think anybody would suggest that the son and the standing man should swap places. There are hundreds of permutations which would not make that a suitable option.
NathanBlueFox Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 there should be designated sections for example ROW 1-5 seated Row 6+ standing then there can not be any complaints either way.
wbrown Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 I think it's a joke how away tickets are allocated, I waited last week to purchase my Stoke tickets as I heard they were selling from the front, a friend of mine received his after a few days and was Row 34. So I rang up asked to be near the back said they allocate them in the Fanstore and they arrived yesterday row 7. My ST is on the back row why would they think I would want to sit at away games ?
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 there should be designated sections for example ROW 1-5 seated Row 6+ standing then there can not be any complaints either way. No. You can't frame the debate as if the default position is standing. It isn't. That's why there are calls for "standing areas". The fact that it has become a custom at many away games to stand is irrelevant; it is still a deviation from the default position which is sitting down. You can't now say that people who want to sit down have to arrange a special area for them to do so.
65RosesFox Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 It's a common sense thing really. I agree that there should be areas for both sitting and standing. I struggle to get to away days due to my health but when I do go I try and buy a ticket relatively close to the front so I know I can sit down for most of the game and have a clear view. It's the same at home, I have a season ticket in L1 but as I can't stand for too long it is at the front so I'm with the atmosphere but I'm still able to sit down. I think some people refuse to buy tickets near the front and stay seated to prove a point so they can have a moan.
AndWhat? Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 This might be a suitable resolution in some cases but if you're sitting with people you want to sit next with or don't want to sit next to a stranger then this can't happen. If a bloke is sitting with his son and somebody in front of the son is standing, I don't think anybody would suggest that the son and the standing man should swap places. There are hundreds of permutations which would not make that a suitable option. If the sitter wants just the one row in front to sit then they should just swap places. If however the sitter wants the front 10+ rows to sit I think that is extremely selfish. If a sitter went up to a steward and asked to be relocated there is no way the steward would refuse. I remember being at forest away a few seasons ago and this older lady literally screaming at the top of her lungs for everyone in front to sit down, she must have been shouting at 100+ people. The stewards eventually moved her.
DennisNedry Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Granted, I've only been to 10 away games in my life, but I've stood for 90 minutes at every single away game I've been to and I've never been asked to sit down or been hassled by stewards.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 If the sitter wants just the one row in front to sit then they should just swap places. If however the sitter wants the front 10+ rows to sit I think that is extremely selfish. If a sitter went up to a steward and asked to be relocated there is no way the steward would refuse. I remember being at forest away a few seasons ago and this older lady literally screaming at the top of her lungs for everyone in front to sit down, she must have been shouting at 100+ people. The stewards eventually moved her. You've made exactly the same point as I did two posts ago. I said: Nobody expects you to sit down if it means you won't be able to see the game As such, you're arguing against a point that I have not made. The "swap places" solution is not always appropriate. A child is unlikely to be comfortable with not sitting next to his or her parent, for example, or two friends may not want to sit away from each other. If it's not appropriate to swap places, or if the person doesn't want to (which, if they came with somebody else, is a perfectly legitimate response) then the unreasonable person is the one standing when there is nobody else in front of him blocking his view.
Soar Fox Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Mentioned this in another thread, only managed 6 away games so far this season. But half of them I've had to move to a standing area as people have sat down. Not a problem and to be fair I have been quite close to the front bar the Blackpool game where I was in the "executive seats" But yesterday at Millwall I noticed a lot of people sitting 4/5 rows from the top of the stand whilst lots of empty seats at the front. A couple of people started moaning that people were standing even though they were only a few rows from the back. I'm sure it was unreserved aswell. I don't like seating at away games and it does ruin the experience for me a bit.
Harry - LCFC Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 This might be a suitable resolution in some cases but if you're sitting with people you want to sit next with or don't want to sit next to a stranger then this can't happen. If a bloke is sitting with his son and somebody in front of the son is standing, I don't think anybody would suggest that the son and the standing man should swap places. There are hundreds of permutations which would not make that a suitable option. Yeah I can see how that would be a problem. At least we've managed to satisfy the vast majority, that sort of incident can only happen to a small number of people during a game.
ashfosse Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 all about standing. dont understand sitting at all. spolis it for the 90% of those that like standing and creating an atmosphere.
Guest Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 there should be designated sections for example ROW 1-5 seated Row 6+ standing then there can not be any complaints either way.What if you have more than 5 rows worth of people who want to sit or can't stand for 90 mins yet want to support their club?Should people above a certain age not turn up?
AndWhat? Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 What if you have more than 5 rows worth of people who want to sit or can't stand for 90 mins yet want to support their club? Start selling standing tickets from the back, sitting from the front. Sorted. But all of this is never going to happen because no club can be seen to help standers!
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 I understand that some people have to sit down. Not entirely sure about the ones that want to sit. If I wanted to sit, I'm well aware I probably won't be able to at an away game. What a lovely thing to come out with, so only the chosen few and those that can stand for 2 hours or more should go to away games. If not it's their faulty for going. What a load of crap
Guest Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Start selling standing tickets from the back, sitting from the front. Sorted. But all of this is never going to happen because no club can be seen to help standers! I've suggested that solution to the club before but as it's not their policy that necessarily dictates sale order it's largely a non starter. For the record I'd quite happily stand for each match but as I go with someone who can't I'm generally near the front. I'm quite happy to sit if I'm down there or if the person behind me stands then you know I'll be standing too
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 I've suggested that solution to the club before but as it's not their policy that necessarily dictates sale order it's largely a non starter. For the record I'd quite happily stand for each match but as I go with someone who can't I'm generally near the front. I'm quite happy to sit if I'm down there or if the person behind me stands then you know I'll be standing too It good to hear your not as self indulgent as a lot of the posters in this thread. So I should always sit at the front with a crisp view exposed to the weather. Yer right
Langley Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Couldn't agree more, I was at the back left for the Millwall game and so many people started sitting down as the first half kicked off. I can't understand this. I stood for the whole 90 mins.
Banks Posted 2 January 2014 Author Posted 2 January 2014 Lots of people were sitting near the back for Millwall, some of our fans thankfully stood towards the middle otherwise the whole end probably would have been sitting
Voll Blau Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Everoyne deserves to enjoy the game the way they choose, and all it takes is a little commons sense from all parties to achieve it. That said, a fully stood away end looks the absolute bollocks.
OzFox Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Some rubbish being spouted in this thread. Firstly, standing is not illegal. Also, the club has to sell away tickets as directed by the home club, it's not as easy as everyone being able to pick and choose their seat. Yep. I asked for tickets closer to the front for both the Millwall and Stoke games, and the ticket office told me they have no control over how seats are allocated as it is done by the home club. Luckily Millwall gave me seats near the back as the front few rows were getting soaked
Jackubu Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 If you go to the back and expect people to sit unfortunately you're pissing in the wind. I've had it before at Huddersfield away wehn Knocky scored 2 tap ins, one person didnt ask us to sit but went straight to a steward who confronted me,which ended in a lovely debate. I dont see why fans purposely try to upset each other. Sitting at the back is like me going to the front row and standing in front of someone. On the unreserved seating bit. Unreserved seats at away games work well everytime, although most fans do treat an away game as unreserved, thankfully. Although a 50odd year old did grab me by the collar after i informed him it was a awaygame. I wasnt even abusive hahaha
red5 Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 What's totally wrong? Like how you quoted my second post. Ok totally wrong is a bit much but what you said gives control to the supporter and that can't be right, that's because the inability of clubs to enforce sitting, and sales of tickets to sitters and standers. As it's been posted in the thread if clubs were able to sort sales of tickets then there wouldn't be a problem, but they seem incapable to do so.
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