Larry_LCFC Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Yes it's unfair but but it'd also be unfair if everyone stood up or if everyone sat down. There will always be someone who has to put up with that view unfortunately. Their preference is irrelevant really. Do you stand up to celebrate a goal? Notice how they entire stadium does the same. Standing up is the natural body position when one is excited, sitting is a more relaxed posture. If you want to sing and shout in a somewhat aggressive manner then it's only natural to stand up while doing so. The difference is, people who favour sitting down in their seat are not ruining the view for others. People that stand are. Obviously people stand up and go mental when we score, that's what celebrating is. You cant tell me that the persistent standers are celebrating for the whole match. Most of the time they look cold and uncomfortable.
Corky Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Not comfortable though is it? The reason I stand is because it isn't comfortable sitting at a football ground. Crappy plastic seat and cramped legs..no thanks. Certainly in some sections it is easier to stand, at Palace and QPR for example. Personally, I can cope with either sitting or standing, if those behind me want to sit then that's fine but haven't had a problem with that for years.
Harry - LCFC Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 The difference is, people who favour sitting down in their seat are not ruining the view for others. People that stand are. Obviously people stand up and go mental when we score, that's what celebrating is. You cant tell me that the persistent standers are celebrating for the whole match. Most of the time they look cold and uncomfortable. Celebrating and singing are both quite active things to do. That's why people stand up when they celebrate and that's why people who sing tend to want to stand up for the whole game. And again, I'm aware that people standing can damage the experience of others but I've already provided a solution for that. I accept it's not ideal but that's the best we can do.
Larry_LCFC Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 You choose to watch it in comfort sitting down, others choose to watch it standing up. That doesn't make the latter '******,' if of course you favour the terminology of the playground, nor does it make them any less intelligent than you. I'm not even sure what your salient point is, are you suggesting fans who stand should stay at home? That'd enrich away games no end. The fact is that there exists a huge demand for standing among a diverse range of fans. To dismiss those fans who prefer to stand as unintelligent, especially when a fair number of them could frankly wipe the floor with you intellectually, is laughable. Most of the considered and mature standers are using the language of compromise and co-existence. It's up to the fans to make this happen until the authorities see sense and introduce safe standing. These are not the people causing arguments, it's the self-centred advocates of both positions doing that. As for your argument that you are booking a seat for an event, take a look at Premier League games where tickets can cost twice as much as they do in the FLC. Are you suggesting the swathes of standing fans should be thrown out, are being shortchanged or should stop attending? I didn't say standers lack intelligence. I said standers who will not accept and respect others preference to sit down lack intelligence. Like I just said, it is the standers who are breaking the rules and ruining the view for others, not the other way round. And I am definitely not saying people who want to stand should stay at home. What I am saying is they should not be intimidating people out of their seat just to get their own way. By all means if everyone in that area wants to stand, go ahead, but if some don't, they should not be made to feel guilty and threatened. Seems you are just trying to twist my argument and put words in my mouth Clearly the two sides will never agree. The only way I can ever see it being resolved is if the stand is split down the middle top to bottom. Half standing, half sitting.
Voll Blau Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 I didn't say standers lack intelligence. I said standers who will not accept and respect others preference to sit down lack intelligence. Like I just said, it is the standers who are breaking the rules and ruining the view for others, not the other way round. And I am definitely not saying people who want to stand should stay at home. What I am saying is they should not be intimidating people out of their seat just to get their own way. By all means if everyone in that area wants to stand, go ahead, but if some don't, they should not be made to feel guilty and threatened. Seems you are just trying to twist my argument and put words in my mouth Clearly the two sides will never agree. The only way I can ever see it being resolved is if the stand is split down the middle top to bottom. Half standing, half sitting. Or if safe standing areas are introduced. Feel free to sign... http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/support-safe-standing/
Unabomber Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 After reading most of this heated debate I have come to the conclusion that there is only one real solution to this. Everyone sit before the match starts, stand during the first half, sit during half time and then stand during the second half. Everyone's a winner.
SmelliottLcfc Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 After reading most of this heated debate I have come to the conclusion that there is only one real solution to this. Everyone sit before the match starts, stand during the first half, sit during half time and then stand during the second half. Everyone's a winner. TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THERE
Larry_LCFC Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Or if safe standing areas are introduced. Feel free to sign... http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/support-safe-standing/ At home that's fine, you can choose where you want to sit - a seated area or a safe standing area. I don't see how it would work at away games where you are automatically allocated seats. You would still have the same problem of some sitting and some standing within one small stand
C-man Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 At home that's fine, you can choose where you want to sit - a seated area or a safe standing area. I don't see how it would work at away games where you are automatically allocated seats. You would still have the same problem of some sitting and some standing within one small stand Take Huddersfield's away end for example. Roughly 3500 right? Convert 1,500 of the seats furthest to the left to safe standing rail seats, where you can have 1.5 people stand per former seat. Allow a bit of leeway for logistics and you have just over 2,000 capacity for standers. You still have 2,000 spots for seats. On purchasing tickets, you request whether you would like a standing ticket or seat. Not hard is it?
Larry_LCFC Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Take Huddersfield's away end for example. Roughly 3500 right? Convert 1,500 of the seats furthest to the left to safe standing rail seats, where you can have 1.5 people stand per former seat. Allow a bit of leeway for logistics and you have just over 2,000 capacity for standers. You still have 2,000 spots for seats. On purchasing tickets, you request whether you would like a standing ticket or seat. Not hard is it? Yeah on paper that seems fine, but in smaller grounds then when the standing tickets run out, and others want to stand, what happens then? People revert back to standing in the way of people sitting down? Or do they try and cram into the standing section regardless and overcrowd it. I know where your coming from, but unfortunately there will always be some people who think the rules don't apply to them and will ruin it for everyone else.
Monsell1976 Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Whilst it would be useful, I don't think they could do it as it would get itself into trouble with the other team and possibly the league. It would be seen as promoting standing in non standing grounds.I know what your saying, some middle ground needs to be found though, remember derby away this season, really needed to sit, but nearly the whole away end stood, and had to sit and try and look between shoulders .All jokes aside, it's not great for people with disabilities under the current system, unless you are attached to the disabled supporters club, but I don't want to see other supporters who want to stand prevented
C-man Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Yeah on paper that seems fine, but in smaller grounds then when the standing tickets run out, and others want to stand, what happens then? People revert back to standing in the way of people sitting down? Or do they try and cram into the standing section regardless and overcrowd it. I know where your coming from, but unfortunately there will always be some people who think the rules don't apply to them and will ruin it for everyone else. If managed properly they wouldn't be allowed in the standing area.* Stewards would have a lot more leverage in lobbing people standing in seated areas out because there is an alternative (even if it's sold out). * Would be naive to suggest it would be impossible to jib - as far as in aware only Bayern have made this impossible with a secondary ticket scanner (hence their Ultrás protesting by not attending CL home games last season).
BlooArmeh! Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 At the Millwall game I was midway up the stand and there was an old lady behind me who insisted on sitting. I empathised and moved to another seat in which it was less problematic to stand. Surely a bit of common sense and decency is all that is needed here?
Stadt Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 When purchasing a ticket you should be asked if you want to sit or stand, it's as simple as that.
Paulmot Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Well you've missed the point. The fact that people won't reason makes them morons. They want to sit down at a game, I want to stand up. I say "ok, would you mind swapping tickets and go and sit in my seat that is x amount of rows lower down? You're gonna be stood up here and those tickets will probably be sat" They still refuse because they're morally right and must do what their ticket says and end up stood up, when both parties could've easily got what they wanted. Hi so I have 4 seats together on the back row u want to stand in my seat I now cannot sit with the people I came with. Not a chance!! I may seem like a moron to you. Look in the mirror and see an obnoxious selfish Seat Robber. I hope u have time to reflect on the attitude and stance u are posturing before tomorrow. I for one will not be playing musical chairs.
Voll Blau Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Hi so I have 4 seats together on the back row u want to stand in my seat I now cannot sit with the people I came with. Not a chance!! I may seem like a moron to you. Look in the mirror and see an obnoxious selfish Seat Robber. I hope u have time to reflect on the attitude and stance u are posturing before tomorrow. I for one will not be playing musical chairs. G'wan, it's dead fun! I'll even bring pass the parcel too!
kylestyle06 Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Hi so I have 4 seats together on the back row u want to stand in my seat I now cannot sit with the people I came with. Not a chance!! I may seem like a moron to you. Look in the mirror and see an obnoxious selfish Seat Robber. I hope u have time to reflect on the attitude and stance u are posturing before tomorrow. I for one will not be playing musical chairs. ! I honestly can't make out if this person is a troll or not? lol
Simmo86 Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Hi so I have 4 seats together on the back row u want to stand in my seat I now cannot sit with the people I came with. Not a chance!! I may seem like a moron to you. Look in the mirror and see an obnoxious selfish Seat Robber. I hope u have time to reflect on the attitude and stance u are posturing before tomorrow. I for one will not be playing musical chairs. You've stolen our seats You've stolen our seats You robbing bastards You've stolen our seats!
Paulmot Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 I didn't say standers lack intelligence. I said standers who will not accept and respect others preference to sit down lack intelligence. Like I just said, it is the standers who are breaking the rules and ruining the view for others, not the other way round. And I am definitely not saying people who want to stand should stay at home. What I am saying is they should not be intimidating people out of their seat just to get their own way. By all means if everyone in that area wants to stand, go ahead, but if some don't, they should not be made to feel guilty and threatened. Seems you are just trying to twist my argument and put words in my mouth Clearly the two sides will never agree. The only way I can ever see it being resolved is if the stand is split down the middle top to bottom. Half standing, half sitting. Why not have the bottom half standing and the next 3 rows empty then the top for sitting, I still get a good view then. When you buy a ticket you should not have to dread that u are going to have a confrontation to get the seat you purchased.
Paulmot Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 ! I honestly can't make out if this person is a troll or not? lol No I am not a troll. Why should I be dictated to by a fellow fan. The point is it is not unreserved seating therefore everyone sit in their seats and then go with the majority in that area.
Paulmot Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 You've stolen our seats You've stolen our seats You robbing bastards You've stolen our seats! Nice
Floating Fox Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Paul do you not think it would be better if the club sold tickets in one area for standers and in other areas for people who want to sit? Or like milwall it was unreserved?
Paulmot Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Paul do you not think it would be better if the club sold tickets in one area for standers and in other areas for people who want to sit? Or like milwall it was unreserved? The best way is to have proper standing areas. Even unreserved I can see some conflict. I stand at Home as on the top row in SK2 When I was lower in the stands i tended to sit. Away I will stand if not spoiling someone else's view. What the problem for me is people believe it is ok to oust people and cause them to have to find alternative viewing just so they do what they want. It is harassment and bullying whatever way you look at it.
ashfosse Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 leeds, wednesday, man city, liverpool, united, newcastle all generally have great away support and they all stand away from home. this isnt a coincidence.
Floating Fox Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Paul have you signed the petion for standing areas? Checked out the fsf campaign? I agree that is the way forward.
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