shade Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 So lets get this right, the person wanting to sit in their allocated seat, is a moron. The person standing in a seat that isn't theirs, and standing instead of sitting, which actually is against the terms under which you purchase the ticket, isn't? If a person wants to sit in their seat, they have every right to do so. There shouldn't even be an argument or a need to "reason". The musical chairs knock on effect when some actual "moron" sits in the wrong seat is a massive pain in the arse for everyone else. But hey you get to stand where you want, why should you care. this is so right, arguing against it is like arguing against gravity.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 When purchasing a ticket you should be asked if you want to sit or stand, it's as simple as that. That works, you say stand and you won't get sold one
Guest Bilo Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Jesus Christ. Some of the arguments here are genuinely among the most idiotic nonsense I've ever had the misfortune to read and seem to rely on an almost autistic adherence to regulations and structure. The use of the word autistic is not pithy, jokey or hyperbole either. Yes, the rules are on the side of 2,000 people turning up to an away game and siting down. Yes, the stewards would love that to happen. It's not going to happen though, is it? Fans want to, and will, stand. It's a fact of life. It's against ground regs, but being drunk in a pub is against the law. I'm sat in a pub right now watching a bloke cop off with a bird he wouldn't shag with a stolen dick if he was sober. Drunk people in pubs is as much a reality as standing people in stadia. I'm not going to ask for this bloke to be ejected, feel sorry for the poor ****er if I'm honest, but am happy to co-exist with somebody who is breaking the rules. Sensible twat, aren't I?
Larry_LCFC Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Jesus Christ. Some of the arguments here are genuinely among the most idiotic nonsense I've ever had the misfortune to read and seem to rely on an almost autistic adherence to regulations and structure. The use of the word autistic is not pithy, jokey or hyperbole either. Yes, the rules are on the side of 2,000 people turning up to an away game and siting down. Yes, the stewards would love that to happen. It's not going to happen though, is it? Fans want to, and will, stand. It's a fact of life. It's against ground regs, but being drunk in a pub is against the law. I'm sat in a pub right now watching a bloke cop off with a bird he wouldn't shag with a stolen dick if he was sober. Drunk people in pubs is as much a reality as standing people in stadia. I'm not going to ask for this bloke to be ejected, feel sorry for the poor ****er if I'm honest, but am happy to co-exist with somebody who is breaking the rules. Sensible twat, aren't I? Is that drunk bloke ruining your enjoyment though? Is he blocking your view or telling you to move somewhere else while he gets drunk? Him "breaking the law" being drunk in a pub isn't harming anyone but himself. Not sure how it even compares tbh. Totally different situations
Babylon Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Jesus Christ. Some of the arguments here are genuinely among the most idiotic nonsense I've ever had the misfortune to read and seem to rely on an almost autistic adherence to regulations and structure. The use of the word autistic is not pithy, jokey or hyperbole either. Yes, the rules are on the side of 2,000 people turning up to an away game and siting down. Yes, the stewards would love that to happen. It's not going to happen though, is it? Fans want to, and will, stand. It's a fact of life. It's against ground regs, but being drunk in a pub is against the law. I'm sat in a pub right now watching a bloke cop off with a bird he wouldn't shag with a stolen dick if he was sober. Drunk people in pubs is as much a reality as standing people in stadia. I'm not going to ask for this bloke to be ejected, feel sorry for the poor ****er if I'm honest, but am happy to co-exist with somebody who is breaking the rules. Sensible twat, aren't I? Ground regulations are being brought up, because rather a large number of people in this thread consider people wishing to sit as the person who is doing something wrong, or are equally at fault for ruining a standers enjoyment, as a stander is a sitter. That simply is not the case. If you are wishing to stand, that is absolutely fine. But, it should not be at the cost of someone who doesn't wish to, and they should certainly not be seen as the problem.
Babylon Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 I think you're totally wrong to say that sitters are always in the right although I would certainly agree that standers can be in the wrong at times. If indeed people who sit can never be in the wrong this would imply the whole of the back row may sit while everyone else is expected to do the same - they have no say in how they watch the game. This is unfair as people have the right to watch the game how they want to. Of course this can achieved very easily. If people are respectful of others and don't sit at the back and don't stand at the front then the entire away end can have their preferences satisfied. If however we take your view that sitters can do no wrong (and thus sit where they like) this leaves the possibility that the majority will be unhappy. I think that's pretty conclusive personally, win-win or win-lose. But they are right, there are no ifs and buts about it. They are complying with the terms of the ticket, you are not. End of story.Common sense should be used on both sides, but it is not sitters who are causing a problem. I will always stand if I can, but I do not presume that it is my right, and will not inconvenience others to do so.
Paulmot Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 How far do you want to take this usurping of people. I see ultras aspired to time and time again. try this link http://www.joe.ie/football/european-football/bayern-ultras-issue-code-of-conduct-for-neuer/ Is this want is wanted?
Trumpet Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Can a mod put a "h" in sitting in the title. We can have an original debate then.
Guest Bilo Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Is that drunk bloke ruining your enjoyment though? Is he blocking your view or telling you to move somewhere else while he gets drunk? Him "breaking the law" being drunk in a pub isn't harming anyone but himself. Not sure how it even compares tbh. Totally different situations On last night's occasion, nobody interrupted my enjoyment of the night out. There've been plenty of occasions where people generally acting like twats when they've had a few shandies have, at the very least, made me roll my eyes or cringe. I've been sat for a quiet drink with friends or family whilst there are people playing noisy, sweary drinking games in the middle of the pub and clearly pissed out of their minds. I've gone out for a quiet drink, not an evening of observing titheads playing drinking games. As much as that has irritated me, I'd never dream of asking them to move away from me or asking the landlord to throw them out. Generally speaking; I'll move away and let them get on with it because I know that although it's illegal to be drunk on licenced premises, they're enjoying themselves and it's not my job to be a killjoy. The situations are directly comparable because I've been willing to make a compromise, just as they might make a compromise by, say, moving away from family areas within the pub. NB: I'm hungover to buggery, last night was not a quiet one. Ground regulations are being brought up, because rather a large number of people in this thread consider people wishing to sit as the person who is doing something wrong, or are equally at fault for ruining a standers enjoyment, as a stander is a sitter. That simply is not the case. If you are wishing to stand, that is absolutely fine. But, it should not be at the cost of someone who doesn't wish to, and they should certainly not be seen as the problem. I don't see people wishing to sit as the problem, far from it. I mentioned in the thread earlier about my Dad sitting for the Manchester City game, there's no way he could have stood for the full 90 minutes and I deliberately sought out a seat nearby where people weren't standing in front of him. What I see as more of a problem is people on both sides of the audience absolutely refusing to make any compromise. Ground regulations exist, but only on paper in many cases. I dare say that at least half of Leicester fans will stand at Stoke today, even though the Britannia is all-seater. In such circumstances, the term 'all-seater' is an irrelevance and the ground regs are the same. In such a situation, both sitting and standing fans are going to have to compromise with one another. What irritates me is the fact that some, but far from all, sitters cling rigidly to ground regs that have been rendered irrelevant. Yes, your ticket has a seat number and says 'Persistent Standing is strictly forbidden,' but the reality is that 50-60% of the away following is flouting that law and the stewards can't do anything about it due to the numbers. That's when the realisation of the de facto should outweigh the de jure, to use legal parlance. People should think to themselves that a lot of fans are standing, I want to sit. I now need to compromise. You can ask a steward to move, ask to swap with somebody who wants to stand at the back or any other compromise. The same does go for a number of standers, anybody who wants to stand in the first few rows of the stand where people are sitting is being a selfish idiot, but it does seem from this thread that the majority of sensible standers 'get' the idea of compromise, common sense and the reality of the way an away end behaves versus how it should contractually behave far more than some of the sitting fans.
Guest Bilo Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 How far do you want to take this usurping of people. I see ultras aspired to time and time again. try this link http://www.joe.ie/football/european-football/bayern-ultras-issue-code-of-conduct-for-neuer/ Is this want is wanted? How is that even relevant to the debate being had?
Pen 3 Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 If I owned a club I'd be quite happy with the current situation - there was a time when you could just turn up, pay at a turnstile and either sit or stand depending on your preference. Now if you want to stand (as I do) you pay for a seat you don't want! A proper mix of standing and seating has got to be considered again, as consumers (whoops fans) we want standing areas so perhaps the clubs could find a way of accommodating us alongside fans that want to sit. If the latter were in front (or above depending on the ground) us it would make sense.
AndWhat? Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 How is that even relevant to the debate being had? Because big bad ultras stand!!!!!
Guest Bilo Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Because big bad ultras stand!!!!! I'm just waiting for a picture of the Irridcibili to be posted as evidence that standing fans are all Nazis.
Stadt Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 I'm just waiting for a picture of the Irridcibili to be posted as evidence that standing fans are all Nazis.
FuriousFox46 Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I have to say, it can be annoying when people want to sit at away games. But those who want to stand have no right to tell them they're not 'real fans' for wanting to sit. Some people are old and unable to stand for 90 minutes.Yeah, it's not always ideal but people have paid their money too. Arses me off.
Paulmot Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I am not against standing. I stood for the full game at stoke. It is the comments that people have no right to sit at the top. The belief it is ok to take these seats regardless of where your allocated seat is. Standing areas are a good idea as long as they are properly designated areas. Not sure that 1.5 people per seat is a good marker, would of thought 1 to 1 for safety reasons.
1964FOX Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I try and get tickets for the back row when possible but if I can't I don't see it as an issue, there is always somewhere you can sneak in and stand without upsetting those who wish to sit down. I assume some people ask for the front seats and get issued the back rows due to when they purchase their tickets. It tends to level out on the day of the game. I haven't sat at an away for over three years.
Simmo86 Posted 7 January 2014 Posted 7 January 2014 I try and get tickets for the back row when possible but if I can't I don't see it as an issue, there is always somewhere you can sneak in and stand without upsetting those who wish to sit down. I assume some people ask for the front seats and get issued the back rows due to when they purchase their tickets. It tends to level out on the day of the game. I haven't sat at an away for over three years. Same. I've never had a problem. Can't remember the last time I sat at a football match.
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