Sitting at away games

[sbfox]

Yep, so many teams in the Premier League and also in the Championship have away ends with everyone standing. I'm sure quite a few of them are old. You are supposed to stand at away games and at home games it is fine for you to sit or stand.

 

"Supposed"? Where on earth do you get this stuff from?

[billyn88]

I was at Charlton.

 

Sitting down in away ends really shouldn't happen at this level, and especially not if we get to the Premiership. Imagine 5 rows of Man City's end sitting down the other week, it just wouldn't happen. 

 

I was there as well.  I'm usually a stander but on this occasion my girlfriend was with me and she's not always in the best of health so the option to sit is very welcome.  

 

Furthermore, I remember that the section we were in  - standing obstructs the view of disabled supporters so if it means either looking like a 'dogs' bollocks end' or showing respect and courtesy to ALL our fans, I would rather do the latter, even if it means some bizarre individuals are somehow embarrassed at the fact that some supporters at our away games choose to enjoy the game by using the contraption behind them to sit down.  

 

It is true - 99% of the time teams like Liverpool and Man United fans away from home all stand.  Do you ever think that this might be the reason why some older fans who perhaps used to go away from home no longer do?  I wouldn't want a longtime Leicester fan to have to give up away days because some people have dubbed them unfit for purpose because they choose not to, or simply can't, stand.   

 

Courtesy and common sense are the way forwards, from both sitters and standers.

 

And, whether you like it or not, just because you stand up and shout and sing (as I do) doesn't mean that you have any more right to be there than someone who chooses to enjoy the game quietly in their seat.    

[Trumpet]

What a lovely thing to come out with, so only the chosen few and those that can stand for 2 hours or more should go to away games. If not it's their faulty for going. What a load of crap

Wrong end of the stick mate. I know that if I go to an away game, i'm probably going to struggle to sit. That's out of my control really.

[Bert]

Why should I not sit in the seat allocated to me. If I get a seat at the top and find it occupied I aint gonna say thats all right m8 I will go and play musical seats till i find ones that are vacated. Lets all meet outside the ground and I will sell you my ticket for say £20 and you give me your ticket in your "sitting zone" As u must be desperate enough to pay for the privilege of forcibly ejecting me from my designated seat.

And this is exactly the problem that people are faced with. Morons like you who seem to have no will to reason.

[Babylon]

Sitting at the back is like me going to the front row and standing in front of someone.

Actually, it's nothing alike whatsoever.

[Leicesterpool]

I go to every away game and if people start sitting around me I just move towards the back.

Good man 

[Babylon]

And this is exactly the problem that people are faced with. Morons like you who seem to have no will to reason.

So lets get this right, the person wanting to sit in their allocated seat, is a moron. The person standing in a seat that isn't theirs, and standing instead of sitting, which actually is against the terms under which you purchase the ticket, isn't?

If a person wants to sit in their seat, they have every right to do so. There shouldn't even be an argument or a need to "reason".

The musical chairs knock on effect when some actual "moron" sits in the wrong seat is a massive pain in the arse for everyone else.

But hey you get to stand where you want, why should you care.

[Bert]

So lets get this right, the person wanting to sit in their allocated seat, is a moron. The person standing in a seat that isn't theirs, and standing instead of sitting, which actually is against the terms under which you purchase the ticket, isn't?

If a person wants to sit in their seat, they have every right to do so. There shouldn't even be an argument or a need to "reason".

The fact that they won't even reason is, yes. People say about those who want to stand being selfish but it works both ways for me, regardless of how holier than thou you come across on here

I shouldn't care what Keyboard Warriors think actually, you're right.

[Fox92]

Yep, so many teams in the Premier League and also in the Championship have away ends with everyone standing. I'm sure quite a few of them are old. You are supposed to stand at away games and at home games it is fine for you to sit or stand.

 

No. You are supposed to do whatever you want. We're all Leicester City fans, we all want the victory, regardless of if we stand or sit.

 

Is there somesort of competition now? "Other clubs stand". So what?

[C-man]

So lets get this right, the person wanting to sit in their allocated seat, is a moron. The person standing in a seat that isn't theirs, and standing instead of sitting, which actually is against the terms under which you purchase the ticket, isn't?

If a person wants to sit in their seat, they have every right to do so. There shouldn't even be an argument or a need to "reason".

The musical chairs knock on effect when some actual "moron" sits in the wrong seat is a massive pain in the arse for everyone else.

But hey you get to stand where you want, why should you care.

 

This argument is exactly why away ends must be unreserved. Regardless of morals - seriously if anyone is that moral I would suggest football isn't for them - people will stand. Either for comfort, preference or through sheer bloody-mindedness people will stand and unreserved seating would be a way to appease all.

[Bert]

This argument is exactly why away ends must be unreserved. Regardless of morals - seriously if anyone is that moral I would suggest football isn't for them - people will stand. Either for comfort, preference or through sheer bloody-mindedness people will stand and unreserved seating would be a way to appease all.

True say, but some people just like to argue for the sake of it.

[Babylon]

The fact that they won't even reason is, yes. People say about those who want to stand being selfish but it works both ways for me, regardless of how holier than thou you come across on here

I shouldn't care what Keyboard Warriors think actually, you're right.

Why do they have to reason when it is you in the wrong? Why don't you reason and sit down, or crazy thought, sit in your own seat?

You think they are a moron because they refuse to yield to what you want them to do.

If you think someone is selfish for wanting to sit in their allocated seat, then I'm afraid the other chap isn't the one who is the moron.

Until such a time all away ends are sit / stand where you want, people choosing to stand and choosing to sit in seats that aren't theirs need to realise it is they who are in the wrong, and not the other person.

True say, but some people just like to argue for the sake of it.

And some people are either so thick or pig ignorant they can't see when they are in the wrong.

[indierich06]

Why do they have to reason when it is you in the wrong? Why don't you reason and sit down, or crazy thought, sit in your own seat?

You think they are a moron because they refuse to yield to what you want them to do.

If you think someone is selfish for wanting to sit in their allocated seat, then I'm afraid the other chap isn't the one who is the moron.

Until such a time all away ends are sit / stand where you want, people choosing to stand and choosing to sit in seats that aren't theirs need to realise it is they who are in the wrong, and not the other person.

And some people are either so thick or pig ignorant they can't see when they are in the wrong.

 

This is my problem, "you won't do what I want you to, I can't believe you're being so unreasonable". It's bizarre.

[Babylon]

This argument is exactly why away ends must be unreserved. Regardless of morals - seriously if anyone is that moral I would suggest football isn't for them - people will stand. Either for comfort, preference or through sheer bloody-mindedness people will stand and unreserved seating would be a way to appease all.

So, you are saying someone who would like to sit in their own seat, rather then play musical chairs with a few hundred other people, shouldn't be going to football?

Flip around your point and and replace standing for sitting.

Agree with unreserved being the best solution, but it's not going to happen.

[AndWhat?]

God, sitters are so serious aren't they!

[Babylon]

This is my problem, "you won't do what I want you to, I can't believe you're being so unreasonable". It's bizarre.

It's like arguing with smokers a few years back before they all got banned and stuck outside in the cold.

A complete refusal to accept they are the problem and not the people who don't like smoke. The "don't like it, you move" attitude.

[Babylon]

God, sitters are so serious aren't they!

I'm a stander actually, I'm just not an ignorant selfish one, who will inconvenience others just to get what I want.

[Bert]

Why do they have to reason when it is you in the wrong? Why don't you reason and sit down, or crazy thought, sit in your own seat?

You think they are a moron because they refuse to yield to what you want them to do.

If you think someone is selfish for wanting to sit in their allocated seat, then I'm afraid the other chap isn't the one who is the moron.

Until such a time all away ends are sit / stand where you want, people choosing to stand and choosing to sit in seats that aren't theirs need to realise it is they who are in the wrong, and not the other person.

And some people are either so thick or pig ignorant they can't see when they are in the wrong.

Well you've missed the point.

The fact that people won't reason makes them morons. They want to sit down at a game, I want to stand up. I say "ok, would you mind swapping tickets and go and sit in my seat that is x amount of rows lower down? You're gonna be stood up here and those tickets will probably be sat"

They still refuse because they're morally right and must do what their ticket says and end up stood up, when both parties could've easily got what they wanted.

[Fox92]

God, sitters are so serious aren't they!

 

Because (most of the) 'standers' are usually ignorant. 

[Bert]

I'm a stander actually, I'm just not an ignorant selfish one, who will inconvenience others just to get what I want.

Neither am I, which is who you're almost certainly referring to.

If I'm ever In someone else's seat (very rare) I'll always move if they can't come to a compromise.

[Guest Bilo]

Well you've missed the point.

The fact that people won't reason makes them morons. They want to sit down at a game, I want to stand up. I say "ok, would you mind swapping tickets and go and sit in my seat that is x amount of rows lower down? You're gonna be stood up here and those tickets will probably be sat"

They still refuse because they're morally right and must do what their ticket says and end up stood up, when both parties could've easily got what they wanted.

 

I did exactly this with another bloke for the Man City game.

 

My dad has dodgy knees and standing for 90 minutes would have been torture, especially given our tickets were at the back of SK1, so I found a bloke who clearly wanted to stand and sing, asked if he would mind if Dad could have his seat and that he could join us singers at the back. The offer was accepted, plenty of singing took place and my Dad's knees were spared an hour and a half of misery.Everyone's a winner.

 

If it can be done in a sell out crowd with a lot of people who only attend a handful of times a season, why can't it be done on the road where the bulk of fans are regulars?

[Babylon]

Well you've missed the point.

The fact that people won't reason makes them morons. They want to sit down at a game, I want to stand up. I say "ok, would you mind swapping tickets and go and sit in my seat that is x amount of rows lower down? You're gonna be stood up here and those tickets will probably be sat"

They still refuse because they're morally right and must do what their ticket says and end up stood up, when both parties could've easily got what they wanted.

If you have the same number of tickets to swap, the view isn't much different etc then that's fair enough. Although obviously they are well within their rights to refuse.

Sadly, the conversations I've seen about people in wrong seats never actually go like that. And usually escalate to name calling and threats of violence in about 30 seconds.

[Guest Bilo]

Because (most of the) 'standers' are usually ignorant. 

 

Some sitters are as well. 

 

They might have the ground regs on their side, but expecting 100 plus people to sit down around you because you're too stubborn to move to the plethora of empty seats left in their absence is selfish. 

[Babylon]

Neither am I, which is who you're almost certainly referring to.

If I'm ever In someone else's seat (very rare) I'll always move if they can't come to a compromise.

I'm referring to anyone in this thread who said they are standing end of story. If you didn't then it isn't aimed at you.

[C-man]

So, you are saying someone who would like to sit in their own seat, rather then play musical chairs with a few hundred other people, shouldn't be going to football?

 

 

That wasn't really my point. My - admittedly rather minute - point was that people like to say that those standing are 'morally' wrong. Maybe they are. But if people are so concerned with morals, it surprises me that they continue to pay ludicrous prices which service only to line businessmen's pockets despite knowing they are pricing less fortunate others out of the game.

 

You can't say 'think of the 70 year old chap (that's enjoyed a lifetime of reasonably priced tickets)' who might not be able to stand, pay £30-40 for a ticket and not give a sh1t about young fans (who may even prefer to stand) who can't afford tickets anymore. That for me is inconsistent and therefore annoying.