Benefits Street

[Guest MattP]

Bit of racism next week from them so at least the leftist excuses will disappear.

[cambridgefox]

The worst thing is how entitled they all feel. They literally see the idea of working as a joke, and the hand out lifestyle being a right. I suppose eight years of the Labour government and those thoughts will get engrained.

Still at least the guy with the mobile 50p shop has got something of the right idea. Cut ridiculous hand outs and people start bettering themselves. As soon as Labour get back in and pay them all off he'll be back in the gutter with the rest of them.

  

I agree, at least the 50p brother is bothering.

yep,giving it a go.

[Dan]

no one thinks it was edited then?

 

It was definitely sensationalised as much as possible but the evidence was there for all (yourself included) to see. You'd have such a stronger case for everything you came out with if you didn't defend the absolute indefensible.

[Guest MattP]

I feel sorry for the children who are having their lives ruined by having such an awful upbringing. But it's just plain anger at the parents.

If these people have enough money to feed their children but aren't doing so is that not some form of child abuse? I imagine it isn't legally but morally the parents are clearly disregarding the well-being of those who they are responsible for.

Not watching it btw but I get the gist of what's going on.

Yep, except my anger is also directed at the apologists who view that behaviour and still try and defend it.

They are as much of a cancer and danger to those children as the parents.

[Unabomber]

And this is followed by men spending thousands to look like dolls. I'm going to sleep well tonight, thanks channel 4.

[ADK]

Also the way to solve the benefits culture is not reducing benefits but going back to a system where all benefits are conditional. But this involves employing skilled civil servants which the government would rather not do.

[Unabomber]

no one thinks it was edited then?

No I thought it was shot live?

[Guest MattP]

no one thinks it was edited then?

Yes, but the proof was also still there.

Do you really these were all paid off and scripted?

[Guest MattP]

Quite a harrowing indictment was that in all the talk of beer, fags, kids, drugs, bedroom tax, asbo and shoplifting etc it didn't once seem to cross their mind to mention going to work ir trying to find it.

[Rincewind]

These twats deserve no 'support' at all because they're spending their money on luxuries. Proven by the replica football shirts, mobile phones, fags and the fact the woman was a fat grenade.

 

It would be incorrect to assume that all on benefits are like this lot, but anyone defending these in the slightest is a moron and nothing else.

I'm not defending them. I'm defending those that were not shown the same way as as I defend those that do not appear in the popular press.

But I am wasting my time as no one wants to know the other side. The programmed made good TV and going from the comments on here received the reaction that the producers were looking for/

[Dan]

I'm not defending them. I'm defending those that were not shown the same way as as I defend those that do not appear in the popular press.

But I am wasting my time as no one wants to know the other side. The programmed made good TV and going from the comments on here received the reaction that the producers were looking for/

 

Fair enough, but even despite those who've been excluded (and you're right, there will be some of them) that doesn't make the people who were shown any better.

[Larry_LCFC]

Makes me so ****ing mad watching this sort of thing. They are a drain on society and really wouldn't piss on most of them if they were on fire. That bloke that's moaning at the start that he cant live on £50, get a ****ing job you ****!

[Harry - LCFC]

I'm not defending them. I'm defending those that were not shown the same way as as I defend those that do not appear in the popular press.

But I am wasting my time as no one wants to know the other side. The programmed made good TV and going from the comments on here received the reaction that the producers were looking for/

 

I would agree with Ken here. A bit of balance would not go amiss. What proportion of benefit claimants are like this? How many people can really be blamed for their predicament? How many refuse to look for work? I don't know the answers to these questions and would quite like to.

[cambridgefox]

I'm not defending them. I'm defending those that were not shown the same way as as I defend those that do not appear in the popular press.

But I am wasting my time as no one wants to know the other side. The programmed made good TV and going from the comments on here received the reaction that the producers were looking for/

But the programme was entitled " benefit street" and about that particular street,not general people on benefits,but as well as having people generally finding if hard,I bet there are loads more like this lot.

[Rincewind]

Here is an example.

 

[Unabomber]

Yeah they should even it up by having a programme about other people on benefits who actually claim they are looking for work.

 

Channel 4 - Had any luck with the job search yet?

 

Lamby - Not but I trolled foxestalk for 6 days, got my cock out, went on an horrific date, lost 19 50p accumulators and met Chris Powell.

 

Channel 4 - That's the spirit, keep trying.

 

*fades to black*

 

 

 

*credits roll*

[Dan]

Imagine if there was a middle ground

[Rincewind]

But the programme was entitled " benefit street" and about that particular street,not general people on benefits,but as well as having people generally finding if hard,I bet there are loads more like this lot.

True but they did not stipulate that this was just one street. It gave the impression that it was the norm or at least that is what many will think who watched it. Before jumping to the same conclusion I think 'Now wait a minute.....'

[Webbo]

Its a bit early for party election broadcasts isnt it? Does anyone else think its a little one sided?

 

 

Here is an example.

 

You don't have much of a sense of irony do you?

[Guest MattP]

Here is an example.

Now I've seen a meme with some made up quotes and opinions on I changed my opinion.

Keep delivering the full facts.

True but they did not stipulate that this was just one street.'

Apart from the fact of course it did. (4-5 times)

[MooseBreath]

I would agree with Ken here. A bit of balance would not go amiss. What proportion of benefit claimants are like this? How many people can really be blamed for their predicament? How many refuse to look for work? I don't know the answers to these questions and would quite like to.

Impossible to answer, but stories of genuine hardship are conspicuous by their absence in the national press as Ken is fond of pointing out. If there were really scores of genuine well-intentioned people suffering undeserved hardship you could guarantee the likes of the guardian and the BBC would be all over it like a rash. But they're not, so what does that tell you? For example through all this talk of how terrible the bedroom tax is, I'm yet to see one legitimate report from a credible source outlining the struggles of a single person. And you'd think that would be an easy win for something like the guardian. It's all smoke and mirrors with these people. They'll tell you all this stuff is happening and back it up with vague numbers, but no actual real-life examples are ever provided.

Meanwhile one only has to walk past a town centre pub on a weekday morning to see an abundance of people who apparently have better things to do than look for work.

[danny.]

True but they did not stipulate that this was just one street. It gave the impression that it was the norm or at least that is what many will think who watched it. Before jumping to the same conclusion I think 'Now wait a minute.....'

 

For me, the word "street" gave me the impression it was about a street.

[Guest MattP]

I would agree with Ken here. A bit of balance would not go amiss. What proportion of benefit claimants are like this? How many people can really be blamed for their predicament? How many refuse to look for work? I don't know the answers to these questions and would quite like to.

This has nothing to do with the program.

Didn't see you asking for predicaments, excuses, a wider range of people etc when channel 4 followed a handful of bnp or edl nutters.

[Unabomber]

For me, the word "street" gave me the impression it was about a street.

Sometimes you have to think outside the street and look at the bigger picture.

[Jimothy]

Have they? Proof? From what it appears they just actually have been judged fit for work instead and god knows how many of those their are falsely after 15 years of cash for votes from Labour.

"The benefits people" - this lot don't even realise who actually pays for them do they?

I have a friend, he's 34, with severe Down's syndrome and severe autism. They say his mental age is 4, but he can't talk, or go toilet alone, whilst he can at least shower himself, brush his teeth etc, so it's hard to say. He can't cook, or drive or anything like that he doesn't have the mental capacity. He has other physical disabilities too. He can't walk far, or manage much physical exercise. I'm really close to the family, his nephews my godson, so I'm not relaying hearsay. He was assessed recently, and they tried they're damned hardest to make out he was capable of much more than he is. It's extremely stupid and dangerous to suggest this guy could work, left alone for 10 minutes outside his home, I'd be amazed if he didn't endanger himself or others. In the end, he lost quite a lot of his funding, and his day centre has closed down. Other options are being looked at, but a lot involve him spending different parts of his day in different places and his mum ferrying him to and fro. Hardly helping his mum stay in work is it, and not particularly helpful that if she did have to quit work to look after him/ferry him around, she'd get less benefits. So way to go Tories, not only trying to force a severely disabled person into work, but also cutting his benefits and taking away his place to go during the day, making it harder for his mum to work. Without getting all Rincewind here, I'm only speaking from personal experience, but why would this be any different for other people in the same boat. If they're prepared to do that to him, what a are they prepared to do the less severely disabled people who are still disabled enough to be unable to work.

You wanted some proof.