breadandcheese Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 The showers were used for showering people when they arrived at camps. I've heard historians and judges mention no evidence for poison showers. The Soviets built some 'gas chambers' after the war but I thought there was no evidence of death showers used by Germans? Apart from some contradictory (according to historians) and 'technically impossible' witness statements made since the war. Weren't Jews rounded up to be sent to camps the same as Germans were, and just like a million Japanese were rounded up and sent to camps in the US? Concentration camps were common all over the world pre-1930's. The best evidence I've seen for a genocide in German camps is historians saying things like "The genocide didn't happen in the Auschitz camp, it happened in the two farmhouses outside the camp, probably." Nazis and zionists had agreed to send Jews to German camps with a view to sending them abroad (against most German Jews wishes of course, but the zionists didn't care about that, they just wanted their new country which was not possible without a massive, forced, emigration). Have you seen some of the intellectuals speaking in the world media about killing all Germans, and totally destroying Germany from as far back as 1933? You probably haven't as it's not in the WW2 event timelines. It wasn't bullshit. Jewish (or more likely hardcore Zionists who cared not for Jewish people as a whole) intellectuals were talking of destroying Germany way before Hitler rounded up anyone for the camps. German Jews, and even German zionists, were speaking out about the lies in the pre-war propaganda against Germany. Jews were still getting ration vouchers in Germany at the same time as German citizens. There were no extermination orders that any historian can point to even though they have mountains of orders for everything else that went on during the war. Anybody who knows the history of Germany and the propaganda aimed at her in the 5-10 years before WW2 know the reasons that Hitler was so popular in 1933. Germany was ruined at that time and the vultures were making their intentions for the country very clear in world media. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0XyosEza8 Some of you sound like you still believe Hoss's 'confession' and other evidence at the Nuremberg trials! Travesty. Is this a wind-up?
notnow john Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I've just twigged the title of your post,well it made me chuckle.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Is this a wind-up? No he's been saying things similar to this for days in General chat, the fact that he's not been banned is an absolute ****ing farce to be honest, this website could get in so much trouble if someone from the wrong organisation were to see some of the stuff he's been putting up, unbelievable bad moderating on this board. Awful.
Uncle Albert Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 You consider what I was banned for and then there is stuff like that being posted? Well done Mark.
Haydos Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 The showers were used for showering people when they arrived at camps. I've heard historians and judges mention no evidence for poison showers. The Soviets built some 'gas chambers' after the war but I thought there was no evidence of death showers used by Germans? Apart from some contradictory (according to historians) and 'technically impossible' witness statements made since the war. Weren't Jews rounded up to be sent to camps the same as Germans were, and just like a million Japanese were rounded up and sent to camps in the US? Concentration camps were common all over the world pre-1930's. The best evidence I've seen for a genocide in German camps is historians saying things like "The genocide didn't happen in the Auschitz camp, it happened in the two farmhouses outside the camp, probably." Nazis and zionists had agreed to send Jews to German camps with a view to sending them abroad (against most German Jews wishes of course, but the zionists didn't care about that, they just wanted their new country which was not possible without a massive, forced, emigration). Have you seen some of the intellectuals speaking in the world media about killing all Germans, and totally destroying Germany from as far back as 1933? You probably haven't as it's not in the WW2 event timelines. It wasn't bullshit. Jewish (or more likely hardcore Zionists who cared not for Jewish people as a whole) intellectuals were talking of destroying Germany way before Hitler rounded up anyone for the camps. German Jews, and even German zionists, were speaking out about the lies in the pre-war propaganda against Germany. Jews were still getting ration vouchers in Germany at the same time as German citizens. There were no extermination orders that any historian can point to even though they have mountains of orders for everything else that went on during the war. Anybody who knows the history of Germany and the propaganda aimed at her in the 5-10 years before WW2 know the reasons that Hitler was so popular in 1933. Germany was ruined at that time and the vultures were making their intentions for the country very clear in world media. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0XyosEza8 Some of you sound like you still believe Hoss's 'confession' and other evidence at the Nuremberg trials! Travesty. Oh shit
breadandcheese Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 No he's been saying things similar to this for days in General chat, the fact that he's not been banned is an absolute ****ing farce to be honest, this website could get in so much trouble if someone from the wrong organisation were to see some of the stuff he's been putting up, unbelievable bad moderating on this board. Awful. I know he posts some rubbish conspiracy theories, but there's some that are beyond the line that surely even he can't believe and must be a wind-up. You've only got to listen to those who were witness to it at the time like Dimbledy entering Belsen http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5115.shtml or the testimony of those who were sent to the camps and lost family members. El Empty, if you're not on a wind-up and do believe it, can I suggest you actually go and educate yourself through meeting survivors of the era, rather than reading a few anti-semitic websites. You'll quickly realise how vile your post is.
Vacamion Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Oh EmptyBoneDog... That is sub David Irving level trolling. It is vile. It has no place in here. Anybody who knows the history of Germany and the propaganda aimed at her in the 5-10 years before WW2 know the reasons that Hitler was so popular in 1933. Germany was ruined at that time and the vultures were making their intentions for the country very clear in world media. Some of you sound like you still believe Hoss's 'confession' and other evidence at the Nuremberg trials! Travesty. I am a fluent speaker of German and I lived in Germany for a few years. I can tell you that they remember, commemorate and (perhaps needlessly, given the passage of time) still bear some sense of national guilt about what their forebears did to the Jews (and, yes, to others, too). What you wrote would leave most educated Germans dumbfounded. You don't see them denying the evidence... holocaust denial is a crime in Germany because they acknowledge the full horror of what was done. I hope the rest of the this thread remaiins on topic about Anelka & the quenelle, because that's now two threads you have soiled with your holocaust denial pish. If you want to argue that we have all been hoodwinked and the evidence was fabricated, why don't you start a new "Holocaust denial" thread and keep it in there??? You've had an absolute shocker...
The Doctor Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 That would make more sense than an 'inverted Nazi salute', as surely an inverted salute/symbol would carry a completely opposite meaning to the original? I dare anyone to walk into a redneck town holding an upside-down American flag, for example... Not necessarily - as much as metal bands and satanists would like to think it for instance, the inverted cross isn't the sign of the anti-christ, it's actually the sign of St. Peter, the first pope - who asked to be crucified upside down because he didn't think he deserved to die as jesus had - so inverting it out of reverence to the original chappy - not saying it's the same here, but inverting a symbol doesn't invert it's meaning necessarily.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I know he posts some rubbish conspiracy theories, but there's some that are beyond the line that surely even he can't believe and must be a wind-up. You've only got to listen to those who were witness to it at the time like Dimbledy entering Belsen http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5115.shtml or the testimony of those who were sent to the camps and lost family members. El Empty, if you're not on a wind-up and do believe it, can I suggest you actually go and educate yourself through meeting survivors of the era, rather than reading a few anti-semitic websites. You'll quickly realise how vile your post is. Oh no.....I've seen what his put in the past, I'm talking last few days, all holocaust denial stuff, and best of all the thread in question wasn't deleted, just locked, and he's account of how 2/3's of the Jewish population of Eastern Europe was wiped out by "bad conditions and probably disease" is still view able on this site, and he's received no ban and been allowed to air his disgusting views again here today, and to make it even more worse I've literally logged back in about 8 hours after his posted it just to see if it's still there, and it is. Meaning this website views this kind of stuff as acceptable. Albert winding a few people up however, 5 day ban. I'm lost for words. As I've pointed out before had he'd be criminally charged in a lot of developed European countries for the stuff he's said on here.
The God Emperor Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 any civilised country would have him locked up. thoughtcrime is serious business
wight88 Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 The best way to deal with so called conspiracy theories is to let people air them so they can be held up to ridicule rather than banning them and threatening prosecution which then fuels the conspiracy fires even further. No substitute for well reasoned argument backed up by evidence and proven fact.
Manwell Pablo Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 any civilised country would have him locked up. thoughtcrime is serious business Ignoring the fact that your twisting my words (I didn't say he should be locked up, merely stated that several developed country's in Europe could have him criminally prosecuted for what he's said, which is a fact, not my opinion) what you've just said is just plain stupid. Near enough every crime from shop lifting to genocide starts in the mind, so yes, thought crime is quite serious. The best way to deal with so called conspiracy theories is to let people air them so they can be held up to ridicule rather than banning them and threatening prosecution which then fuels the conspiracy fires even further. No substitute for well reasoned argument backed up by evidence and proven fact. I could have a reasonable discussion with him but I'd win, the fact that 9 million Jews turned into less than 3 in the space of 4 years whilst the nazi regime gave several speeches about extinguishing the Jewish race pretty much says it all without going into any detail what so ever, but the subject doesn't even deserve discussion. I will say again, holocaust denial is not a "conspiracy theory" an "opinion" nor a "point of view" or any nice way you want to put it, and by calling it such you are giving his ideas more credit then they ever deserve and you are as bad as he is. There should be no "reasoned argument" nor should there be any need for backed up evidence, it's been done, to death. The Holocaust happened, it was one of the biggest genocides in global history that nearly extinguished every Jew living eastern Europe, left mental scars on all that survived it as a well as the soldiers that were unfortunate to "liberate" the camps in question.
wight88 Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Ignoring the fact that your twisting my words (I didn't say he should be locked up, merely stated that several developed country's in Europe could have him criminally prosecuted for what he's said, which is a fact, not my opinion) what you've just said is just plain stupid. Near enough every crime from shop lifting to genocide starts in the mind, so yes, thought crime is quite serious. I could have a reasonable discussion with him but I'd win, the fact that 9 million Jews turned into less than 3 in the space of 4 years whilst the nazi regime gave several speeches about extinguishing the Jewish race pretty much says it all without going into any detail what so ever, but the subject doesn't even deserve discussion. I will say again, holocaust denial is not a "conspiracy theory" an "opinion" nor a "point of view" or any nice way you want to put it, and by calling it such you are giving his ideas more credit then they ever deserve and you are as bad as he is. There should be no "reasoned argument" nor should there be any need for backed up evidence, it's been done, to death. The Holocaust happened, it was one of the biggest genocides in global history that nearly extinguished every Jew living eastern Europe, left mental scars on all that survived it as a well as the soldiers that were unfortunate to "liberate" the camps in question. Wow. An historical event that is beyond all discussion and reasonable doubt. You certainly have some interesting theories yourself my fierce young friend.
Manwell Pablo Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Wow. An historical event that is beyond all discussion and reasonable doubt. You certainly have some interesting theories yourself my fierce young friend. Only on here could I get a "wow" for arguing that the holocaust happened beyond any doubt , embarrassing. and if that's your year of birth in your user name I've got a few years on you, either way I'm certainly not young.
wight88 Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Only on here could I get a "wow" for arguing that the holocaust happened beyond any doubt , embarrassing. and if that's your year of birth in your user name I've got a few years on you, either way I'm certainly not young. Wow. Welcome to foxestalk twinned with the Spectator And no it isn't. And apologies for confusing you as a youth, your sixth form debating style has clearly clouded my judgement. Sorry.
Mickey O'Neil Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 WBA sack Anelka after he tries to give 14 days notice via social media! Twat. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/14/nicolas-anelka-terminate-west-brom-contract
Soar Fox Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Expect Harry Redknapp to try and sign Anelka by the end of next week.
Itsthejoeker Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Gross misconduct? £80k fine and he's not going to receive any pay!
MPH Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 It will be interesting to see if they get away with sacking Angela after fining him... I seem to remember the reason we ended up having to pay Dennis Wise loads of money was because not only did we fine him for punching Davidson, we also sacked him and apparently under British law it's illegal to punish someone twice for gross misconduct.
Haydos Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Aren't they two different offences? They've sacked him for announcing he was packing it in on twitter.
Vicki Vixen Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Expect Harry Redknapp to try and sign Anelka by the end of next week. He lives in Wimbledon so wouldn't rule it out. Seen him jogging round the park with his wife a few times over the last few weeks. Would be surprised if he'd been anywhere near the Hawthorns recently.
RonnieTodger Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Hopefully this is done now he's gone. Most boring sporting scandal since the spot-fixing Pakistani cricketers.
The Doctor Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 The best way to deal with so called conspiracy theories is to let people air them so they can be held up to ridicule rather than banning them and threatening prosecution which then fuels the conspiracy fires even further. No substitute for well reasoned argument backed up by evidence and proven fact. That just makes conspiracy theorists worse - it's a combination of cognitive dissidence and comfirmation bias - if presented with contradictory evidence, no matter how strong, the persons belief becomes stronger, not weaker. Look how often presenting evidence to anti-vaxxers that they're talking out of their arse results in being called a big-pharma shill: any evidence against them must be faked because they couldn't possibly be wrong.
Vacamion Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 Expect Harry Redknapp to try and sign Anelka by the end of next week. Maybe he can room with Benayoun... I would think that he would get a pretty fierce reception from opposing fans if he ever turned up at another English team.
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