Leicester_Loyal Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 It's not about "creating atmosphere", it's about doing something illegal, hence proving how "hard" everyone is who manages to smuggle a flare or smoke bomb into a stadium. You don't half talk some rubbish. People smuggling in smoke bombs and flares to be 'hard'
Vlad the Fox Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Can we all be clear about this "atmosphere" thing. In the olden days, pre taylor report when You didn't need to ask where the bogs were, you could smell them from the terraces You got wet, away from home. Away fans didnt need rooves. You got wet at Filbert Street, those standing on the main stand terrace didn't need a roof. If you wanted to sing you went in pen 3 & nowhere else. Occasionally, very occasionally other parts of the ground would join in. Going anti clockwise Pen 2 was empty pen 1 had the away fans the east stand had Away seating Boring buggers on the halfway line me & my Dad The supporters club corner - they didnt speak never mind sing family club - behind the goal - also me, my dad and my girlfriend - we were thrown out of there for not being a family! Main stand Standing - those too boring to stand on the kop Soup drinkers in the seats - and the odd Arsenal fan when they robbed some tickets Back round to the kop Pen 4 Me, standing, later me, my dad and girlfriend - seated. forgot - upstairs the double decker. All in all there are more pockets of singing now there ever used to be in the good old days before all seater stadia killed the atmosphere. Away games were always better - although we were a bit quiet away at Charlton/selhurst park for the full members cup. I counted 20 away fans, excluding Simon Morgan and his brothers chanting "Pleat Out". The Poznan would never have happened in the olden days. How about trying some different songs? "He'll set the league alight - Mark Bright Mark Bright" Keeping the "Lestoh, lestoh,lestohhhhh, lestoh, lestoh,lestoh, lestohhhhhhhh" chant going for the last 20 minutes of the game was always good. And as for banter Who can forget the banter with the M'boro fans over the cleveland child abuse inquiry - oh how we laughed Joshing with the police over how double murderer Harry Roberts was our friend Happy days. You forgot the gentle tinkling of coins against the wire mesh in pen three. Plus there was no flares (in the flaming sense, plenty of the other kind) but I can remember a few stink bombs being let off, now they did get up your nose. Also the queue for the bogs being that long that you'd about piss yourself before you get there. The leicester, leicester chant was good. We used to keep the aarrrrggghhhh after a goal kick, 'you're shit aaaarrrrgggghhh,' going for ages as well. at Simon Morgan and his brothers chanting pleat out. Pleat out used be a kind of greeting and goodbye... 'Pleat out,' 'Hey up Dave, how's it Gowin' 'Alright mate, go to the city?' 'Yeah, shit int they?' 'Yeah mate, how's the missus' 'Good. Yours?' 'Yeah good mate. Look here's me bus, I'll see yer around.' 'Yeah, take care mate' 'You too. Pleat out' 'Pleat out.'
Paulmot Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 In a previous topic about sitting. The same people who are now advocating the use of smoke bombs were the self proclaimed seat robbers. I asked at the time how far did they want to go????? Well here is stage 2. I am sure at some stage we will be told if you don,t like it sit somewhere else. There is no need for smoke bombs at football Stadiums. Yes u can pick them up till they get to the bottom of the tube, because the heat source moves down the tube as it BURNS. There is combustible litter strewn all around the ground. Dick and Head come to mind. As for the dumb tXXTs that let one off in the family stand. Why should the minority dictate to the masses. Dictate verb dɪkˈteɪt/ 1. state or order authoritatively. "the tsar's attempts to dictate policy" synonyms: give orders to, order about/around, boss (about/around), impose one's will on, lord it over, bully, domineer, dominate, tyrannize, oppress, ride roughshod over, control, pressurize, browbeat; More
MC Prussian Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 You don't half talk some rubbish. People smuggling in smoke bombs and flares to be 'hard' Go ahead, then give me another justification why people would go to such great lengths to smuggle illegal pyrotechnics into a stadium, only to let them off in a crowded area (with kids). Oh, "atmosphere"... Try again.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 It's wankers like this who'd ruin rail seating trials should they ever arrive
C-man Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 In a previous topic about sitting. The same people who are now advocating the use of smoke bombs were the self proclaimed seat robbers. I asked at the time how far did they want to go????? Well here is stage 2. I am sure at some stage we will be told if you don,t like it sit somewhere else. There is no need for smoke bombs at football Stadiums. Yes u can pick them up till they get to the bottom of the tube, because the heat source moves down the tube as it BURNS. There is combustible litter strewn all around the ground. Dick and Head come to mind. As for the dumb tXXTs that let one off in the family stand. Why should the minority dictate to the masses. Dictate verb dɪkˈteɪt/ 1. state or order authoritatively. "the tsar's attempts to dictate policy" synonyms: give orders to, order about/around, boss (about/around), impose one's will on, lord it over, bully, domineer, dominate, tyrannize, oppress, ride roughshod over, control, pressurize, browbeat; More There we go again. Tarnishing fans who want to stand with the same brush as those who believe it is OK to let off smoke bombs in the Family Stand. Hundreds of thousands stand every week. Less than 50 of them set off pyrotechnics but don't let numbers get in the way of your generalisation or anything.
C-man Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 When did it become fashionable to call them "pyro" anyway? It's about as annoying as "banter". Yeah shorthand is just used for fashion purposes these days. Well annoying.
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 This Lad really is a cvnt.... Pyrotechnic incidents.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrotechnic_incidents THERE WERE 172 incidents in the premier league in 2012.... Are you really this stupid? http://www.thefa.com/news/2013/dec/fa-backs-pyrotechnics-supporter-education "It is a rising issue: in the 2010-11 season there were just eight incidents across the Premier League, Football League and Football Conference and the domestic cup competitions. In 2011-12 this rose to 72 and last season it jumped to 172 incidents. During the 2013-14 season (up to the end of October 2013) there has been 96 incidents." If somebody sets one off near me, My most natural reaction would probably be resulted in charges.. they are dangerous. And I am not having some jumped up **** setting one off infront of me for a "Buzz" or because "It's wicked" Morons like you ruin games. putting others in danger to see some pretty lights is pathetic, the chances are slim of actual danger, when used properly, not by pre pubecent teenagers. Can you morons not create an atmosphere without them? what a sad state of affairs...
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 You could say the same thing about scoring a goal. "Oh wow the ball went in, yayyyyy." Now of course you know there's much more to it than that but you can see how easy it is to dismiss something by being selective with your words. The reality is that it creates a bit of a different atmosphere in the stand and makes for a more lively experience. Hard to explain how exactly, bit like the lights in a club or fireworks on Bonfire Night. The most pathetic thing about it is.... We still need to have these things to "create a bit of a different atmosphere in the stand and make a more lively experience" WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE?? are we that pathetic as a fanbase we cant make an atmosphere without them? LCFC is rather quickly becoming a joke IMO. Everyone move to SK1 fast.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 What exactly are you rebelling against? Preventing people from watching football or having clubs getting fined for letting "rebels" like you into a stadium in the first place? You can still create atmosphere without the use of pyrotechnics. You can have fun without them, just by chanting, clapping, waving flags, doing a choreography. Who's treating you bad? Please define the way you are oppressed in detail. I'm curious to find out how the authorities are making your life in particular a hell on earth. Just because you feel like it's great acting like a prat during a match and getting away with it is okay doesn't make it the norm. Maybe at one point you'll realize that in the UK, the use of flares and smoke bombs may have an opposite effect on the Safe Standing campaign. All I can sense here is a hopeless romantic wishing he was German, Italian or Eastern European. Stop talking to me like I am the idiot that let the flare off in the family standChanting - OK Clapping - OK Waving a flag - nope. 2 stewards marched to the back of SK1 on Saturday and took a lads flag of him. Chereography - nope. I'd bet my house that if I went to the club asking if me and my mates could organise a tifo they would say no. This is the club that took confetti off fans a few seasons ago. It's not just me who wants to 'act like a prat' at the football, in the world as a whole, YOU are the minority, not me. There is not a single county in the world who have worse fans than the English, that's from Malaysia to USA. Don't really understand your safe standing point. Every single flare and smoke bomb that has been let off this season has been in seated sections. And finally, do I wish I was German? No Do I wish we had fans like every single country in Europe, Asia, Africa, America and even ****ing Australia! Yes! At the end of the day I am not defending a smoke bomb in the family stand, I just don't understand the uproar over something that happens all over the world! And I don't think it's any coincidence that our fans are the worst in the world and we have this attitude towards pyro.
MC Prussian Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Stop talking to me like I am the idiot that let the flare off in the family stand Chanting - OK Clapping - OK Waving a flag - nope. 2 stewards marched to the back of SK1 on Saturday and took a lads flag of him. Chereography - nope. I'd bet my house that if I went to the club asking if me and my mates could a tifo they would say no. This is the club that took confetti off fans a few seasons ago. It's not just me who wants to 'act like a prat' at the football, in the world as a whole, YOU are the minority, not me. There is not a single county in the world who have worse fans than the English, that's from Malaysia to USA. Don't really understand your safe standing point. Every single flare and smoke bomb that has been let off this season has been in seated sections. And finally, do I wish I was German? No Do I wish we had fans like every single country in Europe, Asia, Africa, America and even ****ing Australia! Yes! At the end of the day I am not defending a smoke bomb in the family stand, I just don't understand the uproar over something that happens all over the world! And I don't think it's any coincidence that our fans are the worst in the world and we have this attitude towards pyro. I am talking to you as someone who sympathizes with pyrotechnics at football matches. Flags and choreographies are by far less harmful and dangerous as opposed to flares and smoke bombs. And if you want to create "atmosphere", why not start there first? Approach the club and do whatever it takes so that it becomes accepted again. You imply that the club is opposing all fans' efforts from the start - how about actually talking to the club first and see whether they are REALLY opposed to your suggestions? You imply that the club is this one big evil thing that extinguishes all things creative instantly. Sure, if you paint such a bleak picture with your prejudices, nothing will change. Or it will only get worse. Letting off flares in a stadium (or the Family Stand for that matter) is counter-productive to your desire to have more "atmosphere", because it gives the club and the authorities more incentive not to be open for fruitful suggestions. You're constantly implying that pyrotechnics are widely accepted and tolerated around the globe by a majority, just not in the UK. That is not true. They're illegal pretty much anywhere. Just because some use them doesn't make it acceptable out of a sudden. Here is why: http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/about-us/latest-news/premier-leagues-warning.aspx I mentioned "Safe Standing" because it is a movement that wants standing back at games. If more "fans" start behaving like the ones at Saturday's game, ignoring health and safety, what do you think the club and the authorities will do as the next logical step? Delay talks, delay development when they see it fit. As for the "worst fans in the world" - I suggest you visit other countries, other places - starting in Europe, for instance - and still tell me you believe that. Different countries around the globe have different cultures and different fans. Just because people in the UK have less choreographies or flags doesn't mean they're automatically worse.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I am talking to you as someone who sympathizes with pyrotechnics at football matches. Flags and choreographies are by far less harmful and dangerous as opposed to flares and smoke bombs. And if you want to create "atmosphere", why not start there first? Approach the club and do whatever it takes so that it becomes accepted again. Letting off flares in a stadium (or the Family Stand for that matter) is counter-productive to your desire to have more "atmosphere", because it gives the club and the authorities more incentive not to be open for suggestions. You're constantly implying that pyrotechnics are widely accepted and tolerated around the globe by a majority, just not in the UK. That is not true. They're illegal pretty much anywhere. Just because some use them doesn't make it acceptable out of a sudden. I mentioned "Safe Standing" because it is a movement that wants standing back at games. If more "fans" start behaving like the ones at Saturday's game, ignoring health and safety, what do you think the club and the authorities will do as the next logical step? Delay talks, delay development. As for the "worst fans in the world" - I suggest you visit other countries, other places - starting in Europe, for instance - and still tell me you believe that. Different countries around the globe have different cultures and different fans. Just because people in the UK have less choreographies or flags doesn't mean they're automatically worse. Pyrotechnics are widely accepted around the globe by other fans, obviously I don't mean the authorities. And I go to Europe to watch football about 2 or 3 times a season and I have yet to witness a shit atmosphere. I've been to watch games in Austria with 4000 people there to the Sofia derby in Bulgaria. I have yet to see fans like what we have in England. Unless I'm talking crap and sky sports are right when they say we have the best fans in the world.
MC Prussian Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Pyrotechnics are widely accepted around the globe by other fans, obviously I don't mean the authorities. And I go to Europe to watch football about 2 or 3 times a season and I have yet to witness a shit atmosphere. I've been to watch games in Austria with 4000 people there to the Sofia derby in Bulgaria. I have yet to see fans like what we have in England. Unless I'm talking crap and sky sports are right when they say we have the best fans in the world. Pyrotechnics are accepted around the globe by some fans, not the majority. Just because there have been few deadly incidents in recent years, doesn't mean people tolerate it in general and ignore the risks that come along with it. Can you give me a credible source for your claim? Watching two or three games per football season doesn't warrant labeling the entire scene abroad as "better". This is solely your personal impression and biased opinion. And since when are Sky bumming Leicester City FC?
blueonyou Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 What a waste of 4 pages. It's pretty simple, dont let off smoke bombs when there are kids around, if you want to do it in a an area of the ground where it's only going to "affect" like-minded "adults" and are happy to risk being kicked out and banned fair enough. the end.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Pyrotechnics are accepted around the globe by some fans, not the majority. Just because there have been few deadly incidents in recent years, doesn't mean people tolerate it in general and ignore the risks that come along with it. Can you give me a credible source for your claim? Watching two or three games per football season doesn't warrant labeling the entire scene abroad as "better". This is solely your personal impression and biased opinion. And since when are Sky bumming Leicester City FC? Sky sports bum English football fans in general. Oh come on, I very much doubt that after Legia Warsaw fans light flares theres people on their forum calling them idiots. In the video C-man posted, the home fans are literally chanting in favour of pyrotechnics while the away fans have them lit! It's just a massive over action to something that happens all over the world!
MC Prussian Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Sky sports bum English football fans in general. Oh come on, I very much doubt that after Legia Warsaw fans light flares theres people on their forum calling them idiots. In the video C-man posted, the home fans are literally chanting in favour of pyrotechnics while the away fans have them lit! It's just a massive over action to something that happens all over the world! I don't speak Polish, you don't. I don't look to Poland for "inspiration", I've seen enough videos and read enough reports about their "vibrant" fan scene, with many ultras tending towards right-wing fanatism. That's not really a benchmark. In the video C-man posted, the Düsseldorf fans initially cheer the ultras on, but then realize what mess the Hamburg lot are creating by burning their own banderole and ultimately endangering not only the sector, but the building in general. In the end, the people condemn the act as being "foolish", rendering all football fans as potentially dangerous and aiding the authorities in their quest against the ultra movement. Yes, flares and smoke bombs are lit all across the globe - in isolated events. This is nothing that happens in 51% or more of all football games per country or as often as you'd like to make it appear. Like I've said before, there is a reason why flares and smoke bombs are banned from football grounds. Am I overreacting? I don't think so. As long as flares and smoke bombs are hazardous and potentially life-threatening, they have no place in crowded areas. Especially not around kids.
Bayfox Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Sky sports bum English football fans in general. Oh come on, I very much doubt that after Legia Warsaw fans light flares theres people on their forum calling them idiots. In the video C-man posted, the home fans are literally chanting in favour of pyrotechnics while the away fans have them lit! It's just a massive over action to something that happens all over the world! I've already said I'm not totally against them, having been to holland and at a few games where we have let them off, it can for some reason, maybe man's love of fire, help stoke an atmosphere. however, and this maybe a touch extreme, but child abuse happens all over the world, don't make it right.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think you have anything to worry about because scenes seen in Europe will never be seen here and I will just continue to get my crazy fan fix by going over the channel.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I've already said I'm not totally against them, having been to holland and at a few games where we have let them off, it can for some reason, maybe man's love of fire, help stoke an atmosphere. however, and this maybe a touch extreme, but child abuse happens all over the world, don't make it right. Oh come on mate, that's a terrible argument!
Bayfox Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Oh come on mate, that's a terrible argument! I think in response to the point, because the rest of the world do it, that makes it ok, it's an extreme point, but shall we go back to slavery, would you like a state such as cuba, where we are completely controlled? Just because someone else does it, really isn't a valid way of making your point. Now I accept it maybe a bit of fun, but whoever let off the one in the family stand has set you back big time. Plus sitting slagging everyone off who's over about 30 isn't a way to help your cause. They are not to blame for the shit atmosphere, they are the ones who I looked upto during the 80's90's etc and taught me how to support my club, so that during the o'neill era I was there backing my team, which despite having some decent times, 8 games out of 10 was the underdog. Causing fractions in our support isn't helping the cause, modern day football is to blame, cctv, policing, new grounds, more families, we may or may not like it, but football has changed. But slagging blokes, who followed the club and down the country way before we had even started going isn't the way to go.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I think in response to the point, because the rest of the world do it, that makes it ok, it's an extreme point, but shall we go back to slavery, would you like a state such as cuba, where we are completely controlled? Just because someone else does it, really isn't a valid way of making your point. Now I accept it maybe a bit of fun, but whoever let off the one in the family stand has set you back big time. Plus sitting slagging everyone off who's over about 30 isn't a way to help your cause. They are not to blame for the shit atmosphere, they are the ones who I looked upto during the 80's90's etc and taught me how to support my club, so that during the o'neill era I was there backing my team, which despite having some decent times, 8 games out of 10 was the underdog. Causing fractions in our support isn't helping the cause, modern day football is to blame, cctv, policing, new grounds, more families, we may or may not like it, but football has changed. But slagging blokes, who followed the club and down the country way before we had even started going isn't the way to go. I get the point your making, and I agree. I just wish it wasn't a big deal because of what I have witnessed abroad. And i haven't intentionally slagged anyone off over 30, the people who go to games aren't the problem. It's the people who don't go! But again that is due to many factors that have changed the demographic of the English football fan.
MC Prussian Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 I get the point your making, and I agree. I just wish it wasn't a big deal because of what I have witnessed abroad. And i haven't intentionally slagged anyone off over 30, the people who go to games aren't the problem. It's the people who don't go! But again that is due to many factors that have changed the demographic of the English football fan. That's a bit of a twisted view, isn't it? Would you rather have someone who doesn't go to a game or a person who creates "atmosphere" by endangering others around him with flares or smoke bombs?
Churchill Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Sky sports bum English football fans in general. Oh come on, I very much doubt that after Legia Warsaw fans light flares theres people on their forum calling them idiots. In the video C-man posted, the home fans are literally chanting in favour of pyrotechnics while the away fans have them lit! It's just a massive over action to something that happens all over the world! Difference is over seas the majority of football fans are absolutely crackers and love that type of thing, i bet you didn't see any families in that part of the ground when they have lit numerous flairs and pyros. Stop trying to copy what happens abroad.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Difference is over seas the majority of football fans are absolutely crackers and love that type of thing, i bet you didn't see any families in that part of the ground when they have lit numerous flairs and pyros. Stop trying to copy what happens abroad. Have a look in the 'N block flare' thread for my post with pictures of games I've been too in the middle of the ultras sections with kids standing right next to me.
AndWhat? Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 That's a bit of a twisted view, isn't it? Would you rather have someone who doesn't go to a game or a person who creates "atmosphere" by endangering others around him with flares or smoke bombs? Would I rather have someone at the game who is pro flare and smoke bomb or someone not there? Pretty obvious what my answer would be..... I pay hundreds maybe even thousands of pounds a year to go experience that stuff abroad, corse I'd rather have it on my door step!
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