pleatout Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 That was a ****ing flare GUN! Bit different! Nope, it was a marine distress flare. No flare gun was involved Letting a smoke bomb off and dancing around for a bit is completely different to bringing a gun to a football stadium and firing it into the opposition fans. Nope, the 2 men convicted were from Wrexham - the victim was from Merthyr. The game was a world cup qualifier. But lets not let anything like a fact get in the way of pretty coloured smoke.
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Where on earth have I defended smoke bombs in the family stand??? The only reason why this has been blown up is because people don't know how to react to them because they aren't the norm. Hopefully in a few years they will be the norm and a smoke bomb going off won't even be mentioned on here. How do you react to a smoke bomb in the proper way? By coughing, clinching to your throat because of the toxic vapors and rubbing your eyes because you're allergic to the smoke? Hopefully, in a few years time you'll come to the conclusion that not everything from the continent is worth copying and that smoke bombs and flares aren't the norm and never will be. Because of a couple of very good reasons.
Jace Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Bring back the days when our fans would settle on chucking harmless rolls of sandwich bags to improve the atmosphere
AndWhat? Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Nope, it was a marine distress flare. No flare gun was involved Nope, the 2 men convicted were from Wrexham - the victim was from Merthyr. The game was a world cup qualifier. But lets not let anything like a fact get in the way of pretty coloured smoke. Clearly says in the article that the flare was fired across the pitch. There is not a man alive that could physically throw a flare across a football pitch. I'm not denying that flares are dangerous, I just think they are no where near as bad as people make out. You can see from my video I posted that I am quite accustom to them, and as long as they aren't used as weapons they are fine.
AndWhat? Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 How do you react to a smoke bomb in the proper way? By coughing, clinching to your throat because of the toxic vapors and rubbing your eyes because you're allergic to the smoke? Hopefully, in a few years time you'll come to the conclusion that not everything from the continent is worth copying and that smoke bombs and flares aren't the norm and never will be. Because of a couple of very good reasons. Pulling your top over your mouth and nose for 60 seconds then just getting on with singing...... I challenge you to find me a video on YouTube where fans are ' coughing, clinching to your throat because of the toxic vapors and rubbing your eyes ' due to flares.
SystonFox Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 yes that was a flare and in Sweden. Nothing in England. ****s sake. If a tree falls in the woods but nobody is around did it still make a noise? Arrogant little jumped up shit, England or Sweden these things are dangerous. Granted they look decent from time to time but can some please, genuinely, explain how they "improve atmosphere"
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Pulling your top over your mouth and nose for 60 seconds then just getting on with singing...... I challenge you to find me a video on YouTube where fans are ' coughing, clinching to your throat because of the toxic vapors and rubbing your eyes ' due to flares. Or you could try not firing a smoke bomb or a flare at all. Who says both of them cause trouble for nothing more than 60 seconds? I've seen smoke bombs and flares leading an entire stadium to be entrenched in fog-like smoke for minutes. Also, would you like to be fined £££ for violating stadium/safety regulations or be rewarded with a stadium ban? As for YouTube videos, how about this for a start?
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Where on earth have I defended smoke bombs in the family stand??? The only reason why this has been blown up is because people don't know how to react to them because they aren't the norm. Hopefully in a few years they will be the norm and a smoke bomb going off won't even be mentioned on here. You've got no chance.
Larry_LCFC Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Where on earth have I defended smoke bombs in the family stand??? The only reason why this has been blown up is because people don't know how to react to them because they aren't the norm. Hopefully in a few years they will be the norm and a smoke bomb going off won't even be mentioned on here. This is the bit I don't understand. Why does it need to be the norm? Nobody wants smoke apart from a few kids who think it makes them look "ultra". I cannot for the life of me see how filling a stand full of smoke improves the atmosphere. Yeah lets all stand coughing instead of singing, brilliant idea. I really do hope the police come down hard on it because we have seen in the past what happens when immature idiots get hold of them. If you're really that desperate for pyro, go live on the continent.
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 To the people going on about using flares and smoke bombs inside football stadiums in order to create "atmosphere": A football match lasts 90+ minutes, a flare may burn out after a minute or so, the smoke evaporate after a while. But how many smokes bombs can you let off at a match? One? Two? There's only that much that you can smuggle into a stadium before you're found out. All the pro-pyro fans, admit to this: It's not about "creating atmosphere", it's about doing something illegal, hence proving how "hard" everyone is who manages to smuggle a flare or smoke bomb into a stadium. What the rest of the crowd makes of it or what kids think of it, who cares? If you're endangering your neighbor(s) sitting next, behind or in front of you, nevermind them.As long as you've performed your selfish deed to make yourself look good, you've satisfied your short adrenaline rush. Singing is way too much of a chore to you, anyway. It's an action that usually involves using parts of the brain, too.
Deucalion Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Nope, it was a marine distress flare. No flare gun was involved I once had cause to read the instructions on a marine distress flare with intent, but luckily I got mobile signal in the nick of time and didn't need to. Not relevant...just reminded me. My daughter still will not go on a boat with me to this day.
AndWhat? Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Or you could try not firing a smoke bomb or a flare at all. Who says both of them cause trouble for nothing more than 60 seconds? I've seen smoke bombs and flares leading an entire stadium to be entrenched in fog-like smoke for minutes. Also, would you like to be fined £££ for violating stadium/safety regulations or be rewarded with a stadium ban? As for YouTube videos, how about this for a start? That video doesn't really prove anything.... I don't want to be fined or get banned so I don't take flares to the football! I just don't think they warrant this reaction! I have been surrounded by literally hundreds of flares and all I had to do was pull my top up a little bit, like what THOUSANDS of fans do all over the world when it happens!
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 That video doesn't really prove anything.... I don't want to be fined or get banned so I don't take flares to the football! I just don't think they warrant this reaction! I have been surrounded by literally hundreds of flares and all I had to do was pull my top up a little bit, like what THOUSANDS of fans do all over the world when it happens! You may look up the ingredients for smoke bombs and flares and then google it in connection with choking and/or allergic reactions and respiratory problems. Flares and smoke bombs are the exception at football grounds. YOU are one of a few who think that law doesn't apply to the ones using them, that they're above the law. See the issue here? Just because a few get away with it, week in, week out, doesn't warrant its use. It's still illegal.
AndWhat? Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 To the people going on about using flares and smoke bombs inside football stadiums in order to create "atmosphere": A football match lasts 90+ minutes, a flare may burn out after a minute or so, the smoke evaporate after a while. But how many smokes bombs can you let off at a match? One? Two? There's only that much that you can smuggle into a stadium before you're found out. All the pro-pyro fans, admit to this: It's not about "creating atmosphere", it's about doing something illegal, hence proving how "hard" everyone is who manages to smuggle a flare or smoke bomb into a stadium. What the rest of the crowd makes of it or what kids think of it, who cares? If you're endangering your neighbor(s) sitting next, behind or in front of you, nevermind them. As long as you've performed your selfish deed to make yourself look good, you've satisfied your short adrenaline rush. Singing is way too much of a chore to you, anyway. It's an action that usually involves using parts of the brain, too. I'm sorry but that's rubbish. Maybe it's young lads that look over to the continent and see what they can do over there, they see how much fun they have in the stands, full stadium tifo, flags, 90 minutes of chanting, standing, flares, and get pissed of with the way they are treated here. Obviously letting off flares isn't going to change that, but it's just a sign of rebelling against the sanitisation of football.
Guest Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 you carry on sitting down sipping your soup and moaning whilst we try make an atmosphere Creating n atmosphere would be brilliant but smoke is not a requirement of atmosphere and you shouldn't be setting things off, shouting abuse at the opposition fans, or generally being bellends in the family stand. If you think you're grown up enough to play with pyros and give the grown ups grief on here then move out of the family stand, pay for an adult ticket and stop annoying the families you twat.
ousefox Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 When did it become fashionable to call them "pyro" anyway? It's about as annoying as "banter". I was thinking exactly this. This term has suddenly come from nowhere.
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 I'm sorry but that's rubbish. Maybe it's young lads that look over to the continent and see what they can do over there, they see how much fun they have in the stands, full stadium tifo, flags, 90 minutes of chanting, standing, flares, and get pissed of with the way they are treated here. Obviously letting off flares isn't going to change that, but it's just a sign of rebelling against the sanitisation of football. What exactly are you rebelling against? Preventing people from watching football or having clubs getting fined for letting "rebels" like you into a stadium in the first place? You can still create atmosphere without the use of pyrotechnics. You can have fun without them, just by chanting, clapping, waving flags, doing a choreography. Who's treating you bad? Please define the way you are oppressed in detail. I'm curious to find out how the authorities are making your life in particular a hell on earth. Just because you feel like it's great acting like a prat during a match and getting away with it is okay doesn't make it the norm. Maybe at one point you'll realize that in the UK, the use of flares and smoke bombs may have an opposite effect on the Safe Standing campaign. All I can sense here is a hopeless romantic wishing he was German, Italian or Eastern European.
pleatout Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Clearly says in the article that the flare was fired across the pitch. There is not a man alive that could physically throw a flare across a football pitch. I'm not denying that flares are dangerous, I just think they are no where near as bad as people make out. You can see from my video I posted that I am quite accustom to them, and as long as they aren't used as weapons they are fine. Yes, it was a marine flare, yes it was fired across the pitch, yes no man alive could throw a flare across a pitch. Your point is what exactly? A d*ckhead that liked pretty smoke thought a marine distress flare would "add to the atmosphere" and killed someone with it. A football ground is no place for any sort of flare because, as YOU admit, flares are dangerous.
AKCJ Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 What happened to waving scarfs, baloons, inflatables, confetti. flags ect? You tell me that this; Doesn't look better than this;
pleatout Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Can we all be clear about this "atmosphere" thing. In the olden days, pre taylor report when You didn't need to ask where the bogs were, you could smell them from the terraces You got wet, away from home. Away fans didnt need rooves. You got wet at Filbert Street, those standing on the main stand terrace didn't need a roof. If you wanted to sing you went in pen 3 & nowhere else. Occasionally, very occasionally other parts of the ground would join in. Going anti clockwise Pen 2 was empty pen 1 had the away fans the east stand had Away seating Boring buggers on the halfway line me & my Dad The supporters club corner - they didnt speak never mind sing family club - behind the goal - also me, my dad and my girlfriend - we were thrown out of there for not being a family! Main stand Standing - those too boring to stand on the kop Soup drinkers in the seats - and the odd Arsenal fan when they robbed some tickets Back round to the kop Pen 4 Me, standing, later me, my dad and girlfriend - seated. forgot - upstairs the double decker. All in all there are more pockets of singing now there ever used to be in the good old days before all seater stadia killed the atmosphere. Away games were always better - although we were a bit quiet away at Charlton/selhurst park for the full members cup. I counted 20 away fans, excluding Simon Morgan and his brothers chanting "Pleat Out". The Poznan would never have happened in the olden days. How about trying some different songs? "He'll set the league alight - Mark Bright Mark Bright" Keeping the "Lestoh, lestoh,lestohhhhh, lestoh, lestoh,lestoh, lestohhhhhhhh" chant going for the last 20 minutes of the game was always good. And as for banter Who can forget the banter with the M'boro fans over the cleveland child abuse inquiry - oh how we laughed Joshing with the police over how double murderer Harry Roberts was our friend Happy days.
Harry - LCFC Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Pyro stinks the place out, makes it difficult to see and is just irritating... the worse thing of all is grown men standing in wonder at a little puff of smoke. You could say the same thing about scoring a goal. "Oh wow the ball went in, yayyyyy." Now of course you know there's much more to it than that but you can see how easy it is to dismiss something by being selective with your words. The reality is that it creates a bit of a different atmosphere in the stand and makes for a more lively experience. Hard to explain how exactly, bit like the lights in a club or fireworks on Bonfire Night.
cjslcfc Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Technically speaking. It ruins the atmosphere. The amount of pollution it causes. At least we might get "When You're Smiling" sung at a slower pace than usual amongst a chorus of splutters between words...
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