l444ry Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 You keep dodging my questions by pretending you don't like the way I ask them sonny jim. Just dont fool yourself into thinking about buys it. You've never been anywhere near my level in any debate, hence why youve failed to answer any question I've ever put to you. Stupidity combined with arrogance and a huge ego will get you a long way.
Harry - LCFC Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Personally I think the Conservatives have done a fairly good job in office but that bit about record numbers in employment is so misleading. The reality is that a 'record' of that sort is nothing special. We'd expect to beat the previous record every year under normal circumstances. The current figure only shows that we're back to pre-crisis levels which is a good thing of course but it's nothing to blow your trumpet about.
MooseBreath Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Given the raise in food, energy, council tax prices etc, no i've not. Its just been confirmed that council tax is going up another 5% in my area! That 2% rise isn't going to get very far is it! It is good that more people are out working but as long as outgoings are going up as much as they are, Even people in work are struggling financially. But as long as your alright ay! Inflation isn't particularly high at the moment. The increase in the tax free allowance alone just about covers inflation for people on average salaries, even more so for those on lower salaries. Growth in the economy will gradually feed through into salaries and there are strong signs of that happening already. I wouldn't buy any of labour's 'cost of living crisis stuff', for a start the numbers don't even add up, plus we know from recent history what a mess labour make of everything, how they increase taxes on the poor in hard times, how they trap people into welfare and how they ruin the economy, lowering jobs and bringing real wages down, all while allowing the big corporations to get away with tax avoidance and allowing MPs of all colours to take whatever they want from the expenses pot. The tories might not be the perfecr party for ordibary working people but they're the closest we've got, and certainly a lot closer than Labour who never did anything for anyone but themselves.
RobHawk Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Inflation isn't particularly high at the moment. The increase in the tax free allowance alone just about covers inflation for people on average salaries, even more so for those on lower salaries. Growth in the economy will gradually feed through into salaries and there are strong signs of that happening already. I wouldn't buy any of labour's 'cost of living crisis stuff', for a start the numbers don't even add up, plus we know from recent history what a mess labour make of everything, how they increase taxes on the poor in hard times, how they trap people into welfare and how they ruin the economy, lowering jobs and bringing real wages down, all while allowing the big corporations to get away with tax avoidance and allowing MPs of all colours to take whatever they want from the expenses pot. The tories might not be the perfecr party for ordibary working people but they're the closest we've got, and certainly a lot closer than Labour who never did anything for anyone but themselves. To be honest Moosey, as ive said a few times before! I'm not excited about voting for any political party! Its the party's (in my eyes) that really block progress with their petty squabbling. I knew an MP once, he was a Labour MP but he didn't follow the party line, he did what he thought was best for constituency he represented. That to me is politics! Non of this we did this and you said that and we are better bollocks! Labour (like it or not) did alot of good things during their time in power (introducing minimum wage, tax credits, record growth) and they also did some shit things too! Much like the coalition government now. But in my eyes a good idea is a good idea and it shouldn't matter who comes up with it!
Zingari Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Does no-one else realise how easy it is to create jobs if the jobs are zero hours contracts ? it 's pretty east to get 5 workers on 8 hours a week to replace one worker on 40 hours a week . There you go, 4 jobs created clever cvnt ain't i?
RobHawk Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Does no-one else realise how easy it is to create jobs if the jobs are zero hours contracts ? it 's pretty east to get 5 workers on 8 hours a week to replace one worker on 40 hours a week . There you go, 4 jobs created clever cvnt ain't i? I didn't have the energy for that argument!!! You are right though, "In employment" doesn't mean what it used to!
Zingari Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I didn't have the energy for that argument!!! You are right though, "In employment" doesn't mean what it used to! i do of course realise it's not quite as simple as that , but just trying to light heartedly show how easy figures can be deceptive . (by all politicians of all parties)
Strokes Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 i do of course realise it's not quite as simple as that , but just trying to light heartedly show how easy figures can be deceptive . (by all politicians of all parties) if those 5 people were all out of work before, don't you think they might value them 8 hours? My missus has just chosen to go from a shift contract to a zero hour contract. It suits us perfectly, so its not all negative.
l444ry Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I didn't have the energy for that argument!!! You are right though, "In employment" doesn't mean what it used to! Wonder what the true rate of unemployment would be if those holding part-time jobs who would prefer to work full-time were counted as 50% working and 50% unemployed? Also, there are many people, especially from the public sector, who have taken early retirement as a better option than threatened redundancy, and thus possibly lose several years of their own and employer contributions to their pension pot. They are not unemployed, but intentionally workless and so outside both benefit and unemployment figures.
Webbo Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 What about people who are working full time but would prefer part time? What's the solution though? How do you increase costs by putting up wages and increase the amount of jobs but keep inflation down without increasing the national debt? Anyone who tells you they can do that easily is either a liar or an idiot.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Not sure. I would possibly vote Conservative because they are putting the economy in the right direction. I'd like to vote for UKIP purely as a type of protest to the 3 main parties, but a vote for the UKIP would possibly one for Labour - I genuinely fear for an economy led by Ed Balls. Still, a year to go so will have to see what happens! I know what you mean. Tactical voting plays a massive part, but I truly feel I have to vote for what I believe to be the best party. I cringe at the though of the Mad Muppet Party (Labour), regaining power, to throw billions of more pounds down the drain.
Rincewind Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I know what you mean. Tactical voting plays a massive part, but I truly feel I have to vote for what I believe to be the best party. I cringe at the though of the Mad Muppet Party (Labour), regaining power, to throw billions of more pounds down the drain. And I dread the thought of the heartless party throwing thousands of peoples lives down the drain. That may apply to any party. I will go for the individual candidate. I'm too old now to look 20-30 years in the future s I will be selfish and vote for whoever gives me the best deal/ i will be a year off a state pension so that will be a priority as well as concern for the worse off and most vulnerable in society. How much Britain has and how it fares means nothing to me. It is just all figures. What happens to the average man or woman and prices and a reasonable standard of living is more important as far as I am concerned. The country's deficit is not going to be cleared in my lifetime or anyone posting on here lifetime so sod all parties who promise that by taking off the poor to give to the rich,
Guest MattP Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I'm too old now to look 20-30 years in the future s I will be selfish and vote for whoever gives me the best deal/ i will be a year off a state pension so that will be a priority as well as concern for the worse off and most vulnerable in society. How much Britain has and how it fares means nothing to me So the Tories throwing a few lives down the drain is a disgrace but you not giving a shit that generations of people will have to pay off your debts as you want taxpayer money to down bitter in the afternoon is perfectly acceptable? What a warped world we live in.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Tories are a disgrace and they have all but ruined similar posts to my job. Definately won't be voting for them, that Theresa May is a disgrace for an mp and that's saying something
Guest MattP Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I find itseriously worrying so many people would actually put Ed Balls in charge of the economy, he has been wrong with pretty much every single fiscal prediction he has made over the last few years. So much so we hardly hear a peep out of him these days.
ADK Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I wouldn't mind Ed Balls as chancellor, I've always thought he spoke sense.
Strokes Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I find itseriously worrying so many people would actually put Ed Balls in charge of the economy, he has been wrong with pretty much every single fiscal prediction he has made over the last few years. So much so we hardly hear a peep out of him these days. Even the mirror struggles to make a case for him, surely he has to be sacked/moved for Labour to have any election credibility?
MooseBreath Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Tories are a disgrace and they have all but ruined similar posts to my job. Definately won't be voting for them, that Theresa May is a disgrace for an mp and that's saying something What kind of jobs are you talking about and how have they been ruined, if you don't mind me asking?
Strokes Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 What kind of jobs are you talking about and how have they been ruined, if you don't mind me asking?To be fair they wrecked the industry I had my business in a few years back. I'm not bitter as the deal that they quashed was pretty much unsustainable, its just a pity that they took such a heavey handed approach. I might have been able to survive if they had of.
Guest MattP Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I wouldn't mind Ed Balls as chancellor, I've always thought he spoke sense. Wind up obviously but which one of his wrong predictions did you think was sensible?
Guest MattP Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Even the mirror struggles to make a case for him, surely he has to be sacked/moved for Labour to have any election credibility? Been mooted for ages he'll have be sacked but Miliband probably doesn't have the bottle to sack a loyal supporter.
MooseBreath Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I wouldn't mind Ed Balls as chancellor, I've always thought he spoke sense. He's particularly good at funding lavish 2nd homes through expenses. A chancellor who sees no issue with pillaging tax payer money for his own gain? Not for me.
ADK Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I don't keep up with all the latest smear campaigns. It was just my honest opinion.
Strokes Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 Wind up obviously but which one of his wrong predictions did you think was sensible?I like the one where he said (Ken take note) that pensions and pensioners benifits shouldn't be protected from the cuts. This was obviously after he acknowledged that cuts were needed at all.
Strokes Posted 10 March 2014 Posted 10 March 2014 I don't keep up with all the latest smear campaigns. It was just my honest opinion.WUM best left alone.
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