Munshi Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Very inoffensive, but unfortunately completely inaccurate. It's quite common in the Islamic World to be killed for leaving Islam. In 2013, 20 countries across the globe prohibited its citizens from apostasy; in these countries, it is a criminal offense to abandon one's faith to become atheist, or convert to another religion.[7][8] All 20 of these countries were majority Islamic nations, of which 11 were in the Middle East. No country in the Americas or Europe has any law forbidding apostasy and restricting the freedom to convert to any religion. Furthermore, across the globe, no country with Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, agnostic or atheist majority had any criminal or civil laws forbidding or encouraging apostasy, or had laws restricting an individual's right to convert from one religion to another.[9][10][11][12] The following are some nations that treat apostasy under their criminal laws. Iran – illegal (death penalty)[13][14][15] Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)[15] Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[15] since 2007) United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)[16] Somalia – illegal (death penalty)[17] Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)[18][19] Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)[15][20] Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution)[21][22] Qatar – illegal (death penalty)[23] Yemen – illegal (death penalty)[23] Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)[24][25] Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)[26] Morocco – illegal to proselytise conversion (15 years' imprisonment)[27] Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy[28][29][30] Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child[31] Thing is, you don't really get people converting to other religions so this never comes into use. Maybe someone aught to have told Abu Musa that, during the prophets reign, cus he was doing what the prophet wanted him to do That was practically a war between two faiths wasn't it? Not killing for the sake of it?
The Doctor Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Very inoffensive, but unfortunately completely inaccurate. It's quite common in the Islamic World to be killed for leaving Islam. In 2013, 20 countries across the globe prohibited its citizens from apostasy; in these countries, it is a criminal offense to abandon one's faith to become atheist, or convert to another religion.[7][8] All 20 of these countries were majority Islamic nations, of which 11 were in the Middle East. No country in the Americas or Europe has any law forbidding apostasy and restricting the freedom to convert to any religion. Furthermore, across the globe, no country with Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, agnostic or atheist majority had any criminal or civil laws forbidding or encouraging apostasy, or had laws restricting an individual's right to convert from one religion to another.[9][10][11][12] The following are some nations that treat apostasy under their criminal laws. Iran – illegal (death penalty)[13][14][15] Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)[15] Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[15] since 2007) United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)[16] Somalia – illegal (death penalty)[17] Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)[18][19] Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)[15][20] Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution)[21][22] Qatar – illegal (death penalty)[23] Yemen – illegal (death penalty)[23] Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)[24][25] Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)[26] Morocco – illegal to proselytise conversion (15 years' imprisonment)[27] Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy[28][29][30] Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child[31] Cmon Matt - you know that actually Islam is perfect and anything that appears otherwise is clearly a fictional verse, mistranslation or not following the real Islam
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 What war? This was regarding a Jew who converted and reverted, so a apostate, the Hadith clearly states this is the reason. Didn't you just say that killing in Islam is forbidden, tut tut
Munshi Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 What war? This was regarding a Jew who converted and reverted, so a apostate, the Hadith clearly states this is the reason. Didn't you just say that killing in Islam is forbidden, tut tut Killing without a real reason. I'm not trying to say I know a lot, I really don't. Let me put it like this, the Muslims I know aren't 'Vicious,Taliban,Terrorists etc..
shade Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 islams no better or worse than any religion, wack jobs will kill for any cause.
Guest MattP Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Thing is, you don't really get people converting to other religions so this never comes into use. That reply doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. islams no better or worse than any religion, wack jobs will kill for any cause. Islam is no worse than lets say Buddism? Behave
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 So we can agree killing of apostates is prescribed in Islam. Thank fool for that
Munshi Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Cmon Matt - you know that actually Islam is perfect and anything that appears otherwise is clearly a fictional verse, mistranslation or not following the real Islam Not saying it's perfect, you get the idiots who mess things up in anything not just Religion. I have a point, just don't know how to get it across because I'm an idiot
Jace Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Bit worrying why the username for that youtube footage between Leicester and Millwall was HOBB5Y
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Buddhist kings massacred just like any religious kings, if you look at history, people were killing each other for power and wealth and just happened to be part of a religious group. However in Islam and Hinduism do there prophets or Demi gods prescribe death
Guest MattP Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 6-7 people singing "We can see you holding hands" - Bottom of the food chain, homophobic, bigots, nasty, offensive, crude, a stain of society that needs to be fought at every corner. Millions of people based in vast majority of countries where Islam is prominant, death penalty or long prison sentences for practising homosexuality - tolerant, peaceful, not any better or worse than anybody else, "a few nutjobs" We have some very strange people in this country in the way they look at things, some really need to travel more.
Soup Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Is it possible to take all the best bits from each religious book.You could sort of have a super book or maybe a "best of" version on DVD.
The Doctor Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 6-7 people singing "We can see you holding hands" - Bottom of the food chain, homophobic, bigots, nasty, offensive, crude, a stain of society that needs to be fought at every corner. Millions of people based in vast majority of countries where Islam is prominant, death penalty or long prison sentences for practising homosexuality - tolerant, peaceful, not any better or worse than anybody else, "a few nutjobs" We have some very strange people in this country in the way they look at things, some really need to travel more. Damn skippy. I don't like the holding hands chant, it's a shit chant, but people taking the pish put of a city with a homosexual stereotype about it are not as bad as people calling for people to be executed for taking the dirt path.
Buce Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 So we can agree killing of apostates is prescribed in Islam. Thank fool for that No, but we can agree it is proscribed.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Not good enough Buce, the prophet says it's prescribed so prescribed it is
shade Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 6-7 people singing "We can see you holding hands" - Bottom of the food chain, homophobic, bigots, nasty, offensive, crude, a stain of society that needs to be fought at every corner. Millions of people based in vast majority of countries where Islam is prominant, death penalty or long prison sentences for practising homosexuality - tolerant, peaceful, not any better or worse than anybody else, "a few nutjobs" We have some very strange people in this country in the way they look at things, some really need to travel more. well said!
Buce Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Not good enough Buce, the prophet says it's prescribed so prescribed it is Really? Could you link me to that?
Buce Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Thing is, you don't really get people converting to other religions so this never comes into use. Only last year there were inter-communal riots in Egypt, including murder of Coptic Christians, and church burning, because a muslim woman converted to Christianity in order to marry.
foxes4e4 Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Why? the root of most of the worlds problems How? god knows
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 the root of most of the worlds problems god knows People are the root of most problems, as mentioned before kings, regimes, governments, rulers today and in the days before religion have killed for power, money and wealth, religion has only served as a tool!! We are tribal beings, it only happens to be that religion fits in a tribal mentality, take religion away, the tribal mentality will still remain, and those 'problems' you have mentioned will still remian
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 religion makes good men do bad things. Sometimes!! Some religions, women make good men do bad things, alcohol, how many other things!!!!
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