Dispatches

[Dan]

The person that is saying something, does not decide if it is offensive, the person hearing it does.

 

I may not be offended by being called a white cvnt or whatever, but my mate is offended by being called a black cvnt.

 

When people are made aware that what they are saying or doing is offensive, a decent person stops doing it.

 

I won't deliberately go out to offend someone, but restricting songs that really aren't meant to be offensive isn't really the answer for me either.

 

Someone correctly pointed out, I have no idea why people continue to trot out the same boring, generic, repetitive songs every game, stuff that wasn't genuinely funny since about the age of 10, if that.

 

The problem in my opinion with what you've just said - is automatically saying that the one claiming to be offended is always in the right. What's stopping me claiming something that doesn't actually offend me, does? I can't lose after all.

[RumbleFox]

I won't deliberately go out to offend someone, but restricting songs that really aren't meant to be offensive isn't really the answer for me either.

 

Someone correctly pointed out, I have no idea why people continue to trot out the same boring, generic, repetitive songs every game, stuff that wasn't genuinely funny since about the age of 10, if that.

 

The problem in my opinion with what you've just said - is automatically saying that the one claiming to be offended is always in the right. What's stopping me claiming something that doesn't actually offend me, does? I can't lose after all.

I understand your point and "the right to offend" is a wonderful thing but there can b e no defense of songs such as "he is a nigger and that's why we hte him" "or paki bastards...blah blah blah". Or are they OK to you? X

[Captain...]

Good job some of the people in this thread haven't been on the Oscar Pistorius one. There's some jokes in there that would make some of the people in here explode!

But this is where it gets tricky making a joke about an individual, based on his nationality, hair colour, sexuality or willingness to shoot his girlfriend, is different to the sweeping generalisations that a specific skin colour or ethnicity or sexuality is inherently bad.

Any jokes on that thread have a sole, specific and if I'm honest a deserving target. I think after you've unloaded into your girlfriend through the toilet door you kinda lose the moral high ground when it comes to offensive jokes.

I will get back to the 'We can see you holding hands' another season I don't get offended by it is that the target for that chant is not any homosexuals in the crowd holding hands, the targets are the kind of people that would get upset at the idea someone is questioning their masculinity. They are the ones who react, and are arguably the homophobes rather than the those chanting it. If you believe that the purpose of the chant is to expose the inherent homophobia in a football crowd maybe it should even be applauded. Maybe not...

Just as an aside would a straight couple in a Brighton crowd be offended or intimidated if they were holding hands and the opposition started chanting 'we can see you holding hands'? Would they stop?

[Darkon84]

So are you saying you do not see a problem with any of the abuse that was seen on the documentary? X

 

Not at all. I have morals and I can see the difference between right and wrong. What I struggle with is why people who aren't involved in it appear to go out of their way to become offended and hurt by it. I swear some people actually actively aim to get offended because they can then climb on a high horse and try to play that card etc. It must be exhausting to be some people on here, constantly walking on egg shells, getting uptight or offended by every little thing.

[Dan]

I understand your point and "the right to offend" is a wonderful thing but there can b e no defense of songs such as "he is a nigger and that's why we hte him" "or paki bastards...blah blah blah". Or are they OK to you? X

 

Have you deliberately missed everything else I've said?

[RumbleFox]

Not at all. I have morals and I can see the difference between right and wrong. What I struggle with is why people who aren't involved in it appear to go out of their way to become offended and hurt by it. I swear some people actually actively aim to get offended because they can then climb on a high horse and try to play that card etc. It must be exhausting to be some people on here, constantly walking on egg shells, getting uptight or offended by every little thing.

But if no one ever got offended by things we would still have slavery, sexism, death for gay people and so on surely?  i agree it can come across as self righteous and self important and no one wants to come across as bono-ish but we SHOULD get offended if we see something which is unfair surely? X

[Captain...]

You clearly have not seen my profile picture. Call me Seamus.

Are you calling me blind? You know there are some people out there that can't see and if they read those comments they would be rightly offended you insensitive twit, fortunately I think you're probably safe on that count...

 As for your profile pic, it could have been your bit on the side or a bit of fluff to think of while humping your owner's leg.

[MooseBreath]

Yeah of course it is. Those stupid children not seeing the fun side of name calling and physical abuse, they should have joined in with the bully and waltzed off into the distance as best friends forever.

Name calling and physical abuse come later once the bully/bullee relationship has been established. The establishment of such a relationship is usually the result of the bullied child being unable to join in with the bonding because rather than taking it in a modest and self deprecating way like a normal person, he takes offence like a weird person, and hence the bullying begins.

These days of course it may well have all changed. The increasing americanisation/pussification of our society means that the previously well regarded traits of modesty and humourous self deprecation have been replaced by this incessant desire to be seen as someone who is all liberal and modern. Que the frantic race to the bottom as people scramble to find anything at all that they can pretend to be offended by so they can broadcast to the world OH HOLY JESUS LOOK AT ME. I AM OFFENDED BY THIS. I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON JUST LOOK HOW OFFENDED I HAVE BECOME I'M LIVID I'M ANGRY LOOK AT ME OH LORD JUST LOOK HOW GOOD I AM.

In reality those people are not good, theyre just one-dimensional bandwagon-hopping self gratification junkies whose limp wristed false pretentious is a blight upon society.

[Darkon84]

But this is where it gets tricky making a joke about an individual, based on his nationality, hair colour, sexuality or willingness to shoot his girlfriend, is different to the sweeping generalisations that a specific skin colour or ethnicity or sexuality is inherently bad.

Any jokes on that thread have a sole, specific and if I'm honest a deserving target. I think after you've unloaded into your girlfriend through the toilet door you kinda lose the moral high ground when it comes to offensive jokes.

I will get back to the 'We can see you holding hands' another season I don't get offended by it is that the target for that chant is not any homosexuals in the crowd holding hands, the targets are the kind of people that would get upset at the idea someone is questioning their masculinity. They are the ones who react, and are arguably the homophobes rather than the those chanting it. If you believe that the purpose of the chant is to expose the inherent homophobia in a football crowd maybe it should even be applauded. Maybe not...

Just as an aside would a straight couple in a Brighton crowd be offended or intimidated if they were holding hands and the opposition started chanting 'we can see you holding hands'? Would they stop?

 

Oscar is definitely a deserving target and in my opinion, I agree that he loses any moral high ground. However, if he was clearly innocent, I'd still find the jokes funny. There might be a short intake of breath first, because it's a bit harsh, but I'd still laugh .

 

Your point about who actually gets riley up by the holding hands chant is a good point. I've actually been down when we've played Brighton before with a group of us, with one of the lads actually being gay. He knows the chants, he knows the atmosphere and he also doesn't get offended or give a shit whatsoever. It's the homophobes or ones feeling their masculinity being questioned who react, which makes it funny, because if you've got a shred of intelligence you know it's not generally meant as a direct insult to any gay people in the crowd, just playing on a fact that it's the gay capital.

On another occasion down there, quite a few Brighton fans enjoyed it, had a laugh and started holding hands and putting them in the air, so what are we to make of that? Are the chants actually turning people gay now? Or is it just clan rivalry taken in good jest?

[shade]

Name calling and physical abuse come later once the bully/bullee relationship has been established. The establishment of such a relationship is usually the result of the bullied child being unable to join in with the bonding because rather than taking it in a modest and self deprecating way like a normal person, he takes offence like a weird person, and hence the bullying begins.

These days of course it may well have all changed. The increasing americanisation/pussification of our society means that the previously well regarded traits of modesty and humourous self deprecation have been replaced by this incessant desire to be seen as someone who is all liberal and modern. Que the frantic race to the bottom as people scramble to find anything at all that they can pretend to be offended by so they can broadcast to the world OH HOLY JESUS LOOK AT ME. I AM OFFENDED BY THIS. I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON JUST LOOK HOW OFFENDED I HAVE BECOME I'M LIVID I'M ANGRY LOOK AT ME OH LORD JUST LOOK HOW GOOD I AM.

In reality those people are not good, theyre just one-dimensional bandwagon-hopping self gratification junkies whose limp wristed false pretentious is a blight upon society.

 

alright adolf, calm down!

[LanguedocFox]

Name calling and physical abuse come later once the bully/bullee relationship has been established. The establishment of such a relationship is usually the result of the bullied child being unable to join in with the bonding because rather than taking it in a modest and self deprecating way like a normal person, he takes offence like a weird person, and hence the bullying begins.

These days of course it may well have all changed. The increasing americanisation/pussification of our society means that the previously well regarded traits of modesty and humourous self deprecation have been replaced by this incessant desire to be seen as someone who is all liberal and modern. Que the frantic race to the bottom as people scramble to find anything at all that they can pretend to be offended by so they can broadcast to the world OH HOLY JESUS LOOK AT ME. I AM OFFENDED BY THIS. I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON JUST LOOK HOW OFFENDED I HAVE BECOME I'M LIVID I'M ANGRY LOOK AT ME OH LORD JUST LOOK HOW GOOD I AM.

In reality those people are not good, theyre just one-dimensional bandwagon-hopping self gratification junkies whose limp wristed false pretentious is a blight upon society.

 

I'm sure any parent of a bullied child will take your wise words to heart, and point out to the child in no uncertain words that being a victim of bullying is entirely their own fault. That should solve the problem in no time.

[Darkon84]

But if no one ever got offended by things we would still have slavery, sexism, death for gay people and so on surely?  i agree it can come across as self righteous and self important and no one wants to come across as bono-ish but we SHOULD get offended if we see something which is unfair surely? X

 

The worlds needs some people to stand up and make noise about these things, there's no denying that. It's places like on here etc where I believe some people moan and whine and say they are offended, just for the sake of it and need tougher skin. If you really believe in what you say and you feel strongly enough about these issues, do something about it. Your words and opinions will be met with respect instead of just another person looking to get offended by something. That wasn't aimed directly at you btw, just in general.

Maybe it's just me though. Most things to me are like water off a duck's back. I can see both sides of the story and can understand when things are right or wrong. Racism and serious abuse said with real hate and vitriol MUST be dealt with, but things like the Brighton chants really are nothing to get upset about (see my above post). As I said, most things won't get to me, BUT if I feel strongly enough about something, I will find a way to do something about it, and have done before, with some (nothing major at all) charity work.

[tomtom]

So pleased there's someone like RUMBLEFOX saying how it is, You've summed up perfectly a lot of what I wanted to say in your posts ...

Good work

[GingerrrFox]

There are some serious wet tissues in this topic. It's a fact of life that there will be some people who go against morals and shout whatever they want with no cares about offending anybody else. These days though everybody has turned into a ****ing fairy and wants to bleat and whistle about it. Bernard Manning summed it up perfectly when he said everybody is willing to laugh at jokes until one of those jokes offends them. Whether that be English, Irish, Scottish, Chinese, Indian, Black, Gay, Ginger etc etc. My Dad told me as a kid if anybody starts giving you some about your hair, punch them, I had 1 lad try and ridicule me for my hair and it never happened again. People in this country are all so soft now. It's embarrassing really. Just get on with it.

Oh and LanguedocFox I'm guessing your one of these people who think women shouldn't be involved in contact or combat sports as they are clearly fragile little things that can easily be hurt.

[mackiepas]

I heard the smurfs find out "blues" chant offensive

[Captain...]

I heard the smurfs find out "blues" chant offensive

 

I heard that they had tried to claim it back as their own word.

 

Blue Army

[Bluetintedspecs]

You need to watch it. She was on the biggest power trip ever, there was about 20 people banging on the back of the stand and she picked on this 1 bloke to "make an example of". She came across like a massive ****. Definitely deserved a slap.

Any so called man condoning hitting a woman, whatever the circumstances, deserves a slap imo.

[Babylon]

Name calling and physical abuse come later once the bully/bullee relationship has been established. The establishment of such a relationship is usually the result of the bullied child being unable to join in with the bonding because rather than taking it in a modest and self deprecating way like a normal person, he takes offence like a weird person, and hence the bullying begins.

 

The establishment of such a relationship is usually the result of the bullied child being unable to join in with the bonding because rather than taking it in a modest and self deprecating way like a normal person, he takes offence like a weird person

Not assigning blame?

 

It's most definitely not the fault of the person who can't interact with others without being abusive, oh no heaven forbid. Funnily enough they are usually as thick as two short planks and feel the need to belittle others to make themselves look good... bit like dispatches last night.

[broughtonblue]

Could someone enlighten me then please?

Are jokes about ....

Englishman Scotsman and Irishmen.

Women drivers

'Blonde' jokes etc etc offensive now?

[GingerrrFox]

Any so called man condoning hitting a woman, whatever the circumstances, deserves a slap imo.

I can't believe you would come out with such a sexist comment. Clearly you are too Neanderthal to understand that women fought hard for equality and now in the 21st century they have it.

[The God Emperor]

The problem with saying you cant sing about/joke about/make light of this and that is that you set a precedent. if gay Brighton fans complaining about the holding hands songs and gay jokes then shouldn't we ban songs like 'who ate all the pies' and fat jokes if enough fat people complain about it? some will say its their own fault that their fat but it could be genetic, they could be depressed etc.

if one thing cant be joked about because some people are offended by it then everything that could possibly offend some one should be off limits. either its all ok, or none of it is.

[AnotherShitSeason]

Could someone enlighten me then please?

Are jokes about ....

Englishman Scotsman and Irishmen.

Women drivers

'Blonde' jokes etc etc offensive now?

 

If I overhear you telling one of these in the pub I'll be straight on my Kick it Out Smartphone App. 

[LanguedocFox]

There are some serious wet tissues in this topic. It's a fact of life that there will be some people who go against morals and shout whatever they want with no cares about offending anybody else. These days though everybody has turned into a ****ing fairy and wants to bleat and whistle about it. Bernard Manning summed it up perfectly when he said everybody is willing to laugh at jokes until one of those jokes offends them. Whether that be English, Irish, Scottish, Chinese, Indian, Black, Gay, Ginger etc etc. My Dad told me as a kid if anybody starts giving you some about your hair, punch them, I had 1 lad try and ridicule me for my hair and it never happened again. People in this country are all so soft now. It's embarrassing really. Just get on with it.

Oh and LanguedocFox I'm guessing your one of these people who think women shouldn't be involved in contact or combat sports as they are clearly fragile little things that can easily be hurt.

 

No. I simply don't think that men should use them as punchbags. If you're happy with violence against women, you should join Bilo in seeking help.

[Bluetintedspecs]

I can't believe you would come out with such a sexist comment. Clearly you are too Neanderthal to understand that women fought hard for equality and now in the 21st century they have it.

So as a man you are condoning a man hitting a woman?

Women fought for the right to vote and for equal treatment in pay and conditions.

And you have the gall to call me a Neanderthal.

[broughtonblue]

Am I right in thinking that some people on here could have been watching 'the inbetweeners', but switched it off after being traumatised when in one episode Will called Neil's dad a 'bumder?'