foxes1988 Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Do the failures of the past add to the enjoyment of the any success? I.e. can any Man U fan of the last is younger then say 25 really enjoy success like we will if we get promoteed. I think there is no way they can. Our relegation to lwague 1 and the seemingly endless mediocre seasons in the championship makes any success feel that much sweeter.
Captain... Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Success is relative, every club strives to improve on their previous season, so in that sense NP has been successful as every season he has been here we did better than the one before. Man United fans may not understand what getting promoted means to us, but if they finish out of the top 4 for the next few seasons when they next qualify for the CL it will probably mean the same as promotion to us. Look at Liverpool this season, been out the top 4 for a few seasons and this season actually making a title challenge and looking odds on to play in CL again their fans are loving it.
MattGamble92 Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Do you mean you need to feel the lows to feel the highs? For me, putting up with the worst moment of my life when we were relegated and Forest went up and getting the shit off all my forest mates will make this season the ultimate high.
Charl91 Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Do you mean you need to feel the lows to feel the highs? For me, putting up with the worst moment of my life when we were relegated and Forest went up and getting the shit off all my forest mates will make this season the ultimate high. If that was the worst moment of your life, then I envy you!
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Yes... It's a psychological phenomenon called 'operant conditioning'. It's based upon success and failure at 'intervals'. What keeps gamblers gambling is the euphoria they feel when they win on their 7th bet, having lost the previous six. The 'win' makes them feel that the tide has turned, their luck has changed and that they are starting a lucky streak. That's why slot machines are geared up for winning every so often. If you always won, funnily enough you'd get bored. If you always lost, you'd get disheartened. It's the same with football. The fact that City are looking like going-up this season makes it extra special because we have been nearly there (but just missed out) so often. If we went-up, came back down, went-up, came back down over and over, promotion would lose its appeal. We would then be EXPECTING it. Similar with being a fan of a team like Man Utd. The fact that they so often win the league makes winning the league almost mundane. It's expected. Now, however, their fans are worried, intrigued almost.. will Moyes stay or go? If he goes, who will replace him? Will they turn it around and win the league again next season against all the odds.. Etc.... So yes, the principle of operant conditioning implies that success is better, more fulfilling and more meaningful, after a period of failure. Individually and collectively there's a togetherness.. you want it more. I'd far rather be a Leicester Fan than a Man Utd fan.. cos I'm from Leicester and because I've experienced so many lows, I love the highs.
Grewks Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 You don't have to fail to enjoy success. Otherwise everyone would be a failure.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 You don't have to fail to enjoy success. Otherwise everyone would be a failure. You clearly don't get the concept. You can enjoy success but you'll enjoy it more, if it means more, based on not having had it.. operant conditioning. No worries...
Zapp Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 As a fan, I think so yes. As a club the failures and disappointments that I was not around to witness do not bother me. In the same way the England winning the world cup was brilliant, if I witnessed it, it would be a whole new level of joy. In the same way I genuinely laugh at forest fans who brag to me that they won the league and we never will, but they're 25 years old. From a personal point of view, the pure disappointment of the years before league 1 were the lowest. barely surviving, scraping results, fighting relegation. Finally being relegated in hindsight did us the world of good. League 1 season was far more enjoyable than the previous 5. To feel this good about Leicester City now, is even better due to the fact its been a long 10 years.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Of course. I've seen us City fans celebrate one goal more to a greater extent I saw the Man Utd fans celebrate at FT after winning the league. How could any United fan truly understand what we went through at Watford last season? That day was indescribably horrendous, you can't describe it to anyone who isn't a City fan. Our season turned upside down in 17 seconds.
Mark_w Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 How could any United fan truly understand what we went through at Watford last season?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Yeh fair one I'd totally forgotten that But its still a cushty life being a Man Utd fan. When fergie was there anyway
Grewks Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 You clearly don't get the concept. You can enjoy success but you'll enjoy it more, if it means more, based on not having had it.. operant conditioning. No worries... I don't understand the concept of the title? It says 'Do clubs have to fail to enjoy achievements'. The answer is a simple no. Do clubs which have failed enjoy achievements more than those who have only experienced success....of course...but that wasn't the 'concept' explained in the title. you're welcome.....
AndWhat? Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 The shit makes the good 100% better. I would hate being a united fan.
Mark_w Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Yeh fair one I'd totally forgotten that But its still a cushty life being a Man Utd fan. When fergie was there anyway It is, but it's incredibly satisfying when it's snatched away from them like that. I'm sure they enjoy winning everything an awful lot and I highly doubt that the 1999 Champions League final was less enjoyable because they win things constantly. I just hope that because they're not used to it seasons like this and the season they lost the title to Man City are even more painful than a shit season is to us.
HEGGSY Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 The shit makes the good 100% better. I would hate being a united fan. This.Don't get me wrong, I'd love to win the PL but the good thing about being a Leicester fan is, the journey to even get there in the first place, travelling the country to witness games like Forest away last year, QPR this year, to be involved in those celebrations. The feeling we will all (hopefully) have when/if we go up, a huge achievement, we'll celebrate that more than any glory supporter has celebrated any silverware in recent times. Yeah, we were shit, we're fvcking incredible at the minute, but we still had a better connection to the club, still travelled miles to watch the team when they were shit not so long ago, and now we're being rewarded by watching some of the best football I've ever seen. I fvcking love being a Leicester fan. Fvcking love it.
Bayfox Posted 18 March 2014 Posted 18 March 2014 Do clubs have too? No ****ing idea. As a fan do I enjoy the now compared to the last few seasons? Yes. Do I appreciate the now compared to the taylor era? Yes. was the o'neill era made more enjoyable if you witnessed the pleat years? Yes. does a chinese bloke in china understand wtf is going on at old trafford. Doubt it But i get your point. I imagine being a 50 year old liverpool fan feels pretty good now. After watching 20 years of decline bar about 2 seasons.
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