broughtonblue Posted 29 April 2014 Author Posted 29 April 2014 Absolutely. Anyone kids or otherwise, crying through grief is not really fit to be broadcast. And the problem is, all people are different, some cry some don't, but you can bet those put in front of the TV cameras feel they have to cry to show they care. The other thing I found astonishing was the parents seemed to actively encourage their kids to be interviewed when obviously struggling with their emotions.
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 Jimmy Savile was never convincted but I don't many people out there now would refuse to label him a peadophile as it was never proven in a court of law. But we have been privy to the weight of evidence that would have been presented in court. In this case, it is practically breaking news. As I have said, I am not an apologist for the kid, but we have a legal system to ensure justice is done. Trial by news report isn't justice.
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 Ok, we will have to agree to disagree. If it's comes out at the trial the teacher 'self harmed' I will come round to your way of thinking I'm not suggesting that, as you well know, and I'm not sure we are disagreeing that much. But do you have kids, Broughton? Assuming you do, wouldn't you want to see due process? Or would you condemn them as quickly as you have this kid?
broughtonblue Posted 29 April 2014 Author Posted 29 April 2014 I'm not suggesting that, as you well know, and I'm not sure we are disagreeing that much. But do you have kids, Broughton? Assuming you do, wouldn't you want to see due process? Or would you condemn them as quickly as you have this kid?2 grown up lads mate (21&20) and if they did this I would disown them
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 2 grown up lads mate (21&20) and if they did this I would disown them Fair enough. I sincerely hope they always make you proud.
MooseBreath Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 But we have been privy to the weight of evidence that would have been presented in court. In this case, it is practically breaking news. As I have said, I am not an apologist for the kid, but we have a legal system to ensure justice is done. Trial by news report isn't justice. We're not actually dishing out justice here on this forum though, are we? People are just reacting on the assumption that what is being reported is true. The courts will doubtless be more thorough. But I think we're pretty safe to react to the news reports here on foxestalk.RIP to the teacher. To be a victim of one of these random horrific events is a terrible fate.
Itsthejoeker Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 But we have been privy to the weight of evidence that would have been presented in court. In this case, it is practically breaking news. As I have said, I am not an apologist for the kid, but we have a legal system to ensure justice is done. Trial by news report isn't justice. We have been privy to eye witness accounts by many children who were in the room at the time, and also a weapon which was found on the grounds of the school. What extra evidence do you expect you be presented in court?
Dan Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 There'll be all and sundry defending him and making excuses - most all of em people who never been the victims of serious crime or those who'll be banging on about human rights, juvenile lack of responsibility etc. It happens every time no matter how indefensible the crime or the criminals. It's time victims came first - always assuming the case is proved. Well said Thrac. I wonder if I'm going mad when I read people actually looking for excuses to defend criminals. No convinction yet. Absolutely laughable. Only in Britain.
ADK Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 I'd like to know more really before making a judgement.
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 We have been privy to eye witness accounts by many children who were in the room at the time, and also a weapon which was found on the grounds of the school. What extra evidence do you expect you be presented in court? Evidence as to the kid's state of mind, perhaps?
Dan Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 Evidence as to the kid's state of mind, perhaps? I think the evidence lies in the teacher's neck.
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 We're not actually dishing out justice here on this forum though, are we? Broughton asserted that 'prison is too good an option'. How is that not dishing out justice?
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 I think the evidence lies in the teacher's neck. No, that is evidence of the fact that she was stabbed; it gives no evidence of the kid's state of mind. He could have had a mental breakdown; he may have been given drugs; he may have had a psychotic episode through an adverse reaction to medication. Or maybe he's cold-blooded killer. It is for a court to decide, based on evidence, not conjecture.
Guest MattP Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 No, that is evidence of the fact that she was stabbed; it gives no evidence of the kid's state of mind. He could have had a mental breakdown; he may have been given drugs; he may have had a psychotic episode through an adverse reaction to medication. Or maybe he's cold-blooded killer. It is for a court to decide, based on evidence, not conjecture. Ken?
Itsthejoeker Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 No, that is evidence of the fact that she was stabbed; it gives no evidence of the kid's state of mind. He could have had a mental breakdown; he may have been given drugs; he may have had a psychotic episode through an adverse reaction to medication. Or maybe he's cold-blooded killer. It is for a court to decide, based on evidence, not conjecture. So you're not denying she was stabbed by him?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 Evidence as to the kid's state of mind, perhaps? I'm sure the 61 year old teacher was very aggressive and it was all in self defense.
Dan Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 No, that is evidence of the fact that she was stabbed; it gives no evidence of the kid's state of mind. He could have had a mental breakdown; he may have been given drugs; he may have had a psychotic episode through an adverse reaction to medication. Or maybe he's cold-blooded killer. It is for a court to decide, based on evidence, not conjecture. I'm sorry but you're exactly the type I'm referring to. Why are you trying to defend this? He's 15 years old, he isn't unaware that you can't do that. If he's in a bad state of mind then teaching him that he can't do things like that might even do him the world of good.
Itsthejoeker Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 So if his head is in such a state that he stabs someone in the neck, should he be allowed to walk the streets?
Guest Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 Ken? I'm waiting for DNO to appear encoded in his text
broughtonblue Posted 29 April 2014 Author Posted 29 April 2014 Fair enough. I sincerely hope they always make you proud. Have done so far, but I'm a simple man who wants to lead a simple stress free life, so I've always told them, as long as they don't bring the police to the door or do drugs ill be pretty happy.You seem to be attracting a lot of questions/comments with your views!
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 I'm sorry but you're exactly the type I'm referring to. Why are you trying to defend this? He's 15 years old, he isn't unaware that you can't do that. If he's in a bad state of mind then teaching him that he can't do things like that might even do him the world of good. I've stated repeatedly that I'm not trying to defend him, and if he's found guilty in a court of law then he deserves whatever punishment is deemed appropriate.
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 You seem to be attracting a lot of questions/comments with your views! Meh, it's what discussion forums are for. It would be pretty crap if everyone always agreed.
Buce Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 So if his head is in such a state that he stabs someone in the neck, should he be allowed to walk the streets? Absolutely not; I have not said otherwise.
Itsthejoeker Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 I did wonder how long it would be for this... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615694/Loner-schoolboy-murder-suspect-enjoyed-ultra-violent-video-games.html Police trawling social media accounts of schoolboy, 15, accused of stabbing teacher who was 'obsessed with online video game where lone cursed character travels through fantasy world killing others'Schoolboy was a member of various online gaming communities He posted messages about Dark Souls and Grand Theft Auto games Classmates said he loved heavy metal music, felt he was an outcast Threatened to commit suicide after reporting he had been bullied His mother, a human resources manager, seemed 'attentive' 'Really clever' but suffered from bouts of depression, peers claim
Fox92 Posted 29 April 2014 Posted 29 April 2014 A teacher who was stabbed to death in front of her pupils was due to retire in September, the school has said. Ann Maguire, 61, died from multiple stab wounds suffered in the attack at Corpus Christi Catholic College in Leeds on Monday. Head teacher Steve Mort said Mrs Maguire had been the "mother of the school" and "the calm in the storm" for 40 years. A 15-year-old boy remains in custody at a police station in the city. Chair of governors Martin Dowling said Mrs Maguire was already working a four-day week ahead of her retirement. He said the stabbing was a "tragic but isolated incident" and there had been "no indications at all" it would happen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27201812
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