David Guiza Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 might stop a few crimes being done though if criminals think they will get severly dealt with rather than the usual slap on.the wrist and out in half the time wiv good behaviour. Perhaps hanging is abit extreme and just posting emotionally(mrs is a teacher n a mum too!) I'd imagine it would make the reasonable man think twice, but this piece of work obviously isn't of sound mind. Perhaps it would have stopped him, but I wouldn't be at all comfortable living in a country that permits the death penalty. Emotions will always run high at times like this, that's half the problem with it as a punishment though. It's a simple eye for an eye and not a great deal more.
johnny the fox Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 It was a planned crime...more than enough time to reconsider his mindset.. if a teacher who spent her whole life helping children can be considered fair game then its clear the young man has psychopathic tendencies, with absolutely no remorse. .he needs to be away from society for a very long time..tragic all around.
purpleronnie Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 might stop a few crimes being done though if criminals think they will get severly dealt with rather than the usual slap on.the wrist and out in half the time wiv good behaviour. Perhaps hanging is abit extreme and just posting emotionally(mrs is a teacher n a mum too!) Usual slap on the wrist?
LCFC Rennie Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 It was a planned crime...more than enough time to reconsider his mindset.. if a teacher who spent her whole life helping children can be considered fair game then its clear the young man has psychopathic tendencies, with absolutely no remorse. .he needs to be away from society for a very long time..tragic all around. Should never step out of prison.
DennisNedry Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 Carries out a pre-meditated brutal murder, and then feel no shame or remorse for doing so. Bit of good behaviour, convince doctors he's reformed, he'll be out in 15 years. 15 years in our 3-hot-meals-a-day-Sky-TV-free-gym-free-internet-access-comfy-beds prison system. With a new identity and free to live a happy life. Whereas the husband of the teacher has the rest of his life ruined. The family will have to live with this forever. Not to mention the trauma the other students must have felt at seeing a murder in front of their eyes. Or the trauma for the teachers at seeing a colleague murdered. The justice system is warped. There's no fairness or justice in the criminal justice system. Just none at all. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the lever to end his life.
purpleronnie Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 Carries out a pre-meditated brutal murder, and then feel no shame or remorse for doing so. Bit of good behaviour, convince doctors he's reformed, he'll be out in 15 years. 15 years in our 3-hot-meals-a-day-Sky-TV-free-gym-free-internet-access-comfy-beds prison system. With a new identity and free to live a happy life. Whereas the husband of the teacher has the rest of his life ruined. The family will have to live with this forever. Not to mention the trauma the other students must have felt at seeing a murder in front of their eyes. Or the trauma for the teachers at seeing a colleague murdered. The justice system is warped. There's no fairness or justice in the criminal justice system. Just none at all. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the lever to end his life. So killing the 16 year old boy won't affect his family? Oh and instituting the death penalty (i.e like America) actually costs more than life in prison.
bovril Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 I wouldn't hesitate to pull the lever to end his life. bet you would
ADK Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 Can't believe the number of people who want to murder a child who is mentally ill.
DennisNedry Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 So killing the 16 year old boy won't affect his family? Oh and instituting the death penalty (i.e like America) actually costs more than life in prison. I can't speak from experience, but I can't imagine the guys family wanting anything to do with him anymore. Let's be honest, your son has committed murder, surely he is now dead to you in that sense? On the cost front, it depends how you legislate it. I'd allow one appeal to be lodged within a fortnight of conviction. If no appeal is made, hung within the week. If appeal is denied, hung within the week. bet you would Seriously, I wouldn't. Can't believe the number of people who want to murder a child who is mentally ill. Everybody views things differently mate. I can't see why somebody would want him to live fairly comfortably in prison for 20 years at most then be released into the public. I can't see how anybody can deem it fair or just. The child thing doesn't excuse anything. At 16 he knew exactly what he was doing. It was also planned over a long period of time. And mental illness is a difficult one. Surely his lawyer wouldn't have let him plead guilty to murder if he is indeed mentally ill due to diminished responsibility? I'd also argue that, with a mental illness that pushes somebody to murder and then revel in the murder, the person will never be safe and so should be executed as a matter of safety, both for fellow prisoners and the public upon his inevitable release.
ADK Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 I don't really agree with any of that. Many sentences are too lenient, this doesn't seem lenient.
DennisNedry Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 I don't really agree with any of that. Many sentences are too lenient, this doesn't seem lenient. 36 years old with a new identity means he could have 50 years of a happy life. Doesn't seem right to me. Each to their own though matey. Agree to disagree I think!
leicsmac Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 I don't think he'll ever be let out, unless he has a really really big mental shakeup. He doesn't seem like the type to want to convince others that he's safe when in fact he's not, quite the opposite actually.
Leeds Fox Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 Just in case any of you were wondering, this school wasn't the best school in Leeds, but was by no means the worst. It had a mixture of average people and people from the 'rougher' areas. Similar to most inner city schools I imagine. The girl I was seeing at the time went there.
Raj Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 Can't believe the number of people who want to murder a child who is mentally ill.my 6 year old is a child.lets get this shite clear...he's NOT a child! Even my daughter would know to stab her teacher in the neck numerous times is abit wrong. If hes got mental issues fine...why the fook was he in a normal school?? If he needs mental health help then give it to him...and people like you can pay out of YOUR taxes not my fooking tax!!!
Raj Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 p.s as someone else said though..agree to disagree...
Fox92 Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 Why do we always have to define people like this? The amount of times in this thread I've read "mentally ill". Why not just say he's a sick ba**ard? That's what I see him as.
Raj Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 someone mentalli ill wouldnt even think its righta bout doing what he did. Imagine our Bernie who we all know isnt all there stabbing a fellow fan in the neck? Like fox said these sort of people are just sick fooks and will never change
Guest MattP Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 16 years old a 'child'? Even for FT that's pushing the boudaries of excuse making. You can buy fags, join the army, buy lottery tickets, pay tax and have sex, if you seriously consider a 16 yeard old a child you should be campaigning for some serious law change in other areas of society.
Rincewind Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 Why do we always have to define people like this? The amount of times in this thread I've read "mentally ill". Why not just say he's a sick ba**ard? That's what I see him as. It is a lot easier for the average man on the street who does not have the medical expertise or full facts to say he is a 'sick bastard' in the same way a Redneck without scientific knowledge to say god did it' He is a mixed up man who may or may not improve. Only time will tell. ATM I would like him locked up for life but still treated as fairly as humanely possible.
ADK Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 16 years old a 'child'? Even for FT that's pushing the boudaries of excuse making. You can buy fags, join the army, buy lottery tickets, pay tax and have sex, if you seriously consider a 16 yeard old a child you should be campaigning for some serious law change in other areas of society. He was 15 at the time of the offence, also you're showing your age, it's not been legal to buy tobacco products at 16 since 2007.
Bert Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 Should never step out of prison.Agree. I'm very much in the "life for a life" camp. Not the death penalty or anything that extreme, just that murderers should never be released from prison. Why should they get to carry on their life after taking someone else's away?
Leeds Fox Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 He was 15 at the time of the offence, also you're showing your age, it's not been legal to buy tobacco products at 16 since 2007. If he's showing his age with that remark, surely it's showing he's about 24 or older, isn't he?
Buce Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 So killing the 16 year old boy won't affect his family? Oh and instituting the death penalty (i.e like America) actually costs more than life in prison. Not to mention that it would make us members of an exclusive club of nations that execute children.
David Guiza Posted 4 November 2014 Posted 4 November 2014 Agree. I'm very much in the "life for a life" camp. Not the death penalty or anything that extreme, just that murderers should never be released from prison. Why should they get to carry on their life after taking someone else's away? Contrary to the EU's issues agaisnt it, the UK hasn't hesitated to give whole life sentences, the Lee Rigby murderer for example is serving one. Also, if you read the judges comments, he states that it's likely he'll never be let out of prison anyway due to the lack of remorse and clear danger he poses to society now and in the future. We'll see I guess.
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