Football Association to look at introduction of B teams

[davieG]

It really is time that the football authorities allowed for fans to have a proper say before changes in how football in this country is managed are introduced.

Even when they do voice something it's completely ignored. The arrogance of the games authorities is mind-boggling

 

From the Foxestrust site

 

 

Supporters Direct responds to FA Commission proposals for Feeder Clubs

Published May 9, 2014 | By IanB

Supporters Direct - Press Release, 08/05/2014

Supporters Direct today issued their response to the Chairman’s FA Commission into the future of the England team, and specifically the proposals for Feeder Clubs or B-Teams.

In our evidence to the Commission, we said the following on ‘B-teams’ or Feeder Clubs:

• The introduction of Feeder Clubs or B-teams will serve to reinforce the system of player development that currently results in the stockpiling of talent.

• In line with the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee review reporting in 2011 & in 2013 (and which remains largely undelivered, despite the threat of government intervention if the recommendations were not acted upon within a year of the 2013 report), we believe that The FA needs to take the lead on this issue as it is a whole-game concern. Player development is central to the success of the English game in the same way as the regulation of football clubs in the financial, governance and ownership sense.

• We have a depth in our professional football system that should mean we have the deepest talent pool coming through but it isn’t happening. That is not because we don’t have feeder clubs for the top clubs, it’s because the coaching and infrastructure is not right. This can only be changed with a strategic game-wide approach, overseen by the game’s governing body.

• Distribution of talent generally follows the distribution of money. In the English game, the vast majority of the game’s financial resources are vested in a small group of elite clubs who can afford to develop their talent. The game should be looking at ways to redistribute those monies more equitably so that there is the broadest possible base to access and nurture talent for the England teams.

 

We were surprised that:

1. We submitted our evidence to the Commission’s Administrator on the 23rd December and again on the 7th January, yet received no acknowledgement of receipt, or of its content.

2. We have never been asked to speak with the Commission about the content of our submission, yet some 300 ‘stakeholders’ of English football were ‘consulted’.

The desire for change amongst supporters is clear, and this issue is serving as a focal point for the anger and discontent felt towards all those who run our national game.

Along with our colleagues at The FSF, we will be hosting our Supporters Summit on the 26th July at Wembley Stadium, and it will be focused on the campaign to Change Football for good.

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Article on the BBC Sport saying the plans need 75% Prem and 75% FL approval. While the top clubs might want it, judging by the reaction of the lower league clubs, I would be very surprised if the FL clubs in favour reached that percent.

[fox766]

Think this could be a good idea if it is done properly, I know it would take alot organising and undoubtedly cost alot too but it obviously works in Spain and Germany and both have large percentage of home grown talent playing for their own teams and also have good national teams to prove that it does work.

I know some will say we need to keep with the tradition of the leagues but we also need to develop the next generation that we haven't got at the moment. Can you see England getting any better any time soon, I hope they do.☺

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Didn't qualify for tournaments in the 70's when every single player in our leagues was English. I think we're just sh1t no matter what we try and do.

 

 

 

 

[Pride_Of_The_Midlands]

Think this could be a good idea if it is done properly, I know it would take alot organising and undoubtedly cost alot too but it obviously works in Spain and Germany and both have large percentage of home grown talent playing for their own teams and also have good national teams to prove that it does work.

I know some will say we need to keep with the tradition of the leagues but we also need to develop the next generation that we haven't got at the moment. Can you see England getting any better any time soon, I hope they do.☺

 

No they don't.

 

Spain also had B teams when they went 44 years without winning a trophy.

 

Germany haven't won a trophy in nearly 20 years.

 

Makes no difference.

[kingcarr21]

Improve the number & quality of coaches = Better homegrown players that would break into teams. 

 

The number of coaches Spain and Germany have compared to us is a joke.

[Fox in the North]

More English youth players should go abroad and take advantage of the better training systems like Taylor Moore here:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27490429

 

U17 Euro 2014: England history beckons for Taylor Moore in finalBy Simon StoneBBC Sport

England midfielder Taylor Moore will create a piece of history if he helps his side beat Holland to win the Under-17 European Championship on Wednesday.

England internationals plying their trade abroad are rare. No-one has won a major prize while playing overseas.

Moore, 17, who grew up in France and plays for Lens, could do exactly that.

"I have the best of both worlds," said Moore. "French and English football are different but I intend to learn from the strengths of each style."

Moore's route to the final at Malta's Ta'Qali National Stadium is an unconventional one.

Brought up until he was eight in Walthamstow, east London, Moore's family then moved to northern France, intending to remain for only 12 months.

They ended up liking it so much they are still there, meaning Moore's development, and that of his three younger brothers, has been through the French system.

It is markedly different to the one he would have been exposed to had he remained in England.

From his local club he was spotted by Lens, and he was so impressed at the set-up he decided to join.

"In France they have Under-17s and Under-19s, the reserve group and the first team," said Moore.

"From 15, you go full-time at a youth training camp. You live away from home, the club sorts out your schooling and basically watches over every aspect of your life, including what time you are asleep.

"My stories make some of the English lads raise an eyebrow but if the statistic about more professional footballers in the world being from France  than any other nation apart from Brazil at the moment is correct, they are obviously doing something right."

Moore has no complaints, which is why there is no hurry for the Tottenham fan to return to the country of his birth.

"I would love to play in the Premier League," he said.

"But my club has just been promoted to the first division in France so hopefully they will do well, and I still have my education to finish, so I am happy where I am.

"The future is very unpredictable and it is better to have something you can fall back on."

The immediate future is a Netherlands team that defeated England earlier in the competition  and scored five against Scotland in their semi-final.

"There is definitely a sense of revenge for that first game," said Moore.

"For all of us, this will be the biggest game of our lives so far. I am sure everyone will have a few nerves but there is a sense of excitement as well."

[Pride_Of_The_Midlands]

He only went abroad because he actually moved to France with his parents.

[Stadt]

He only went abroad because he actually moved to France with his parents.

How did you know that?

[Fox in the North]

He only went abroad because he actually moved to France with his parents.

I can see that, though he could have always returned and joined an academy of a bigger English team (hypothetically he could have refused them). I think it shows what some young English players are missing out on. Why be stockpiled by the bigger teams when you could be playing regular football and getting a serious education in good foreign football. 

[Voll Blau]

 

Football League clubs have rejected Greg Dyke’s plan to implement a B league aimed at improving the future of the English game, claiming there is “no appetite†for the controversial proposal despite sharing his concerns about the development of young players.

Dyke, the FA chairman, announced plans last month to implement a new tier from 2016-17, between League Two and the Conference, that Premier League clubs could use to play reserve teams. However, the proposal has been fiercely criticised and the 72 League clubs discussed their concerns with Dyke at their AGM in Portugal.

The League also rejected the FA’s strategic loan partnership that Dyke had recommended, which would have seen clubs from the top two tiers loan players to a lower division “partner†team.

However, Leagues One and Two supported “in principle†the use of artificial playing surfaces in their divisions, backed by Championship clubs, following the FA’s decision to allow 3G pitches in all rounds of the FA Cup earlier this year.

The Football League’s chief executive, Shaun Harvey, said: “Greg Dyke provided a detailed and thought provoking presentation that helped clubs get a better understanding of the thinking behind his recent report.

“Whilst it’s fair to say there is no appetite amongst clubs for the use of B teams or strategic loan partnerships in the football pyramid, they did share his overriding concern about the development of young English footballers and supported a number of the report’s other recommendations. We will continue to work with the FA to help find solutions that will be supported across the whole game.â€

 

The League clubs also voted in favour of changing regulations applying to club takeovers in Leagues One and Two. The new rules in those divisions will now mirror those in the Championship, where a change of control at the top “will require the purchasers of the club to provide ‘future financial information’ demonstrating the club’s ability to trade and evidence of the source and sufficiency of funding.â€

 

Harvey said: “Having operated these rules in the Championship for the last four seasons it is logical to now extend their implementation throughout our competition. They will assist our efforts to ensure that anyone taking control of a Football League club has the necessary funds, from a legitimate source, to support its business plan.â€

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/06/football-league-clubs-greg-dyke-fa

 

Good.

[The Doctor]

He only went abroad because he actually moved to France with his parents.

So what? Going abroad is great for players development. Sir Les said that the loan spell at Benfica was the best thing he did - it gets them used to a different style of play for one, to playing in different conditions (which people have banged on like a broken record about re: this years World Cup)

[Vlad the Fox]

I agree with the many posts above about what a terrible idea this is.

Does the homegrown rule include academy players brought in from abroad because if so these B teams will be filled with them, how's that helping our national team? Maybe they should bring back the reserve league.

This is just another case of the authorities being too scared to take on the big clubs so try and implement something that is of benefit to them rather than the game as a whole. Unfortunately in this country the big teams are only interested in themselves and have no interest in helping the national team. I feel too many people have lost sight of the core values of the game.

Coaching at the grass roots is the main problem. I was reading recently that in Spain they have thousands more FIFA standard coaches than in this country, the cost of completing the course about £500 compared to about £5000 in this country. There is also petty local authorities interested in only their own agendas rather than providing for children and helping to support the local F.A's. Until everyone is working together and going in the same direction and relevant parties stop looking at what's in it for them and what is for the good of the game, we will always be struggling.

The four tier English league structure is an institution that we should be proud of and is unsurpassed anywhere in the world with the standard of football, history and numbers that support it, the F.A should be doing everything they can to protect it rather than continuously bow down or hide from the big prem teams.