davieG Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Emergency legislation will be brought in next week to force phone and internet companies to log records of customer calls, texts and internet use. Ministers say it is necessary so police and security services can access the data they need after a legal ruling which declared existing powers invalid. The proposed law has the backing of Labour and the coalition parties. A special cabinet is being held to agree the planned laws, which will only last until 2016. Prime Minister David Cameron and his Lib Dem Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg will tell a special cabinet meeting on Thursday that emergency legislation is necessary to keep the country safe. A recent ruling of the European Court of Justice has removed the obligation on telecoms companies to retain records of when and who their customers have called, texted and emailed. Without a new law Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg will claim that that information could be destroyed within weeks by companies fearing legal challenges. Labour is backing emergency legislation after all-party talks agreed that this law would enshrine existing rights and not be used to extend them by re-introducing the so-called "snoopers charter". It will also bring in so-called safeguards including: The creation of a new Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board to examine the impact of the law on privacy and civil liberties A review of the controversial RIPA - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act Annual government transparency reports on how these powers are used The law will include a so-called sunset clause - ensuring that these powers will die in 2016 - so there will be a longer and wider debate about what replaces them. Critics will no doubt argue that the time for that debate is now. To pass any new law in just a week is rare. So too is it to have the backing of all three main parties even before it is published. On a subject as sensitive as giving the police and security services access to phone and internet data this is bound to be controversial. Update 08:45 BST: The emergency legislation will oblige telecom firms to retain data for 12 months. Under the European law which it replaces companies could be asked to retain data for 24 months. More controversially the new law will also produce what is being described as a "clearer legal framework" to allow access to the content of calls, texts and emails after a warrant is signed by a senior government minister. Telecoms companies are said to have warned ministers that after the Edward Snowdon revelations they are vulnerable to legal challenge by their customers. The Labour MP Tom Watson has condemned the plans as a "stitch up" which prevent MPs from considering the legislation properly.
Haydos Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 And the inevitable invasion of privacy continues. Porn filter was just a start, this is the way it's going now.
Rincewind Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 They want to make sure people are reading the right news and visiting the right internet sites. Can't allow information to leak out that would embarrass those in power whichever rabble are in. It may be happening already.
ADK Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 I'd rather we could agree a transparent system that gave police some reasonable powers rather than pretend we have privacy when we do not.
leicsmac Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 But...if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Right?
Saxondale Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
broughtonblue Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Ok for me, really sure it won't affect my law abiding life
Steven Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Ok for me, really sure it won't affect my law abiding life Then publish all the places you visit on line, who you telephone, who you SMS, where you drive to and the locations as identified by your phone so we can determine if this has an affect on you or not.
Merging Cultures Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Wow. I feel sorry for you all. This is really bad. Imagine how much data they are collecting and how much they are spending to analyse it. I am glad I live in a country that doesn't have the capacity to do this.
broughtonblue Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Then publish all the places you visit on line, who you telephone, who you SMS, where you drive to and the locations as identified by your phone so we can determine if this has an affect on you or not.Why would I do that? It's for the security services not joe bloggs
Steven Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Why would I do that? It's for the security services not joe bloggs Then what have you go to hide?
leicsmac Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Then what have you go to hide? Exactly. After all, if you can trust the complete strangers in the security services you can trust us lot of strangers on here too.
broughtonblue Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Then what have you go to hide????Absolutely nothing that's why I'm not against it
The God Emperor Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Ok for me, really sure it won't affect my law abiding life they may not be after you now, but what's classed as breaking the law or being a threat could be radically different in a few years. power structures dont go away after those who founded them die or move on, they remain, ready to be abused.
Rincewind Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 It is not what I am hiding that I worry about them monitoring, it is what I am reading or saying which they may decide is not fit for the public denain. It is called freedom of speech and I object to censorship by governments because it may upset a few people at the top.
MooseBreath Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 It is not what I am hiding that I worry about them monitoring, it is what I am reading or saying which they may decide is not fit for the public denain. It is called freedom of speech and I object to censorship by governments because it may upset a few people at the top. Have Dn02 (ready, prepared, moist) found their content being censored?
Steven Posted 10 July 2014 Posted 10 July 2014 Ok for me, really sure it won't affect my law abiding life ??? Absolutely nothing that's why I'm not against it You are not the person deciding what is "law abiding" or not. Exactly. After all, if you can trust the complete strangers in the security services you can trust us lot of strangers on here too. Quite.
Rincewind Posted 11 July 2014 Posted 11 July 2014 Do you know which company has been given the contract to look at your data? ATOS Be afraid be very afraid,
ozleicester Posted 11 July 2014 Posted 11 July 2014 Wow, i And people arent bothered?? If you dont care about this, you deserve to live under it.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 11 July 2014 Posted 11 July 2014 Wow, i And people arent bothered?? If you dont care about this, you deserve to live under it. I don't think it's that people aren't bothered - it's just that the implications aren't necessarily immediately obvious to folk, and the general populace finds it far easier to concentrate on issues that they perceive to be very straightforward - immigration and paedophiles, basically
davieG Posted 11 July 2014 Author Posted 11 July 2014 It's not just this, it's another step towards a police iike state. What next once this has been achieved and considered normal practice. I bet the Stasi would have loved to have this much survalence.
Haydos Posted 11 July 2014 Posted 11 July 2014 It really worries me how little attention this sort of stuff is getting. Joe Public doesn't seem to be very aware of the effects of this increase in monitoring and excuses to snoop on the public under the guise of protecting the children or stopping terrorism.As somebody has already mentioned, a lot of it won't be apparent right away but you can see it already with the porn filter business that many other websites of controversial nature are being censored.
Steven Posted 11 July 2014 Posted 11 July 2014 Wow, i And people arent bothered?? If you dont care about this, you deserve to live under it. Quite. To misquote Alan Clark, sheep led by donkeys.
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