2015 Election season ..........stuff it in here.

[Webbo]

It's isn't plain old fashioned casual work. It's the creation of a system that removes any power and rites from the worker.

Created by who?

[ronnup]

Created by who?

Less who and more what. And the what is an ever increasingly polarised society that continues to ramp up the importance of the rich and demonise those who aren't.

All along applauded by unfortunately naive hard working people who genuinely believe that he Tories want what's best for everyone and not just their rich mates.

[BoneDog]

Somebody had commented early on in the discussion that this was a 'cultural norm' for that particular community and therefore inferred that we should somehow turn a blind eye and let them get on with it.  That is something I believe to be rather dangerous and I cannot accept that belief.

 

So should we force them to sit in order of man, woman, man, woman etc., even though most of them couldn't give a toss where they sit at a meeting? Would that satisfy you? 

 

Or what if we gave them the choice to sit where they wanted and they sat exactly as they do now, with men on the left side of the room and women on the right? Would it be ok then?

[Webbo]

Less who and more what. And the what is an ever increasingly polarised society that continues to ramp up the importance of the rich and demonise those who aren't.

All along applauded by unfortunately naive hard working people who genuinely believe that he Tories want what's best for everyone and not just their rich mates.

So you'll admit that they've been around years and they were never a problem before?

 

I don't see anyone demonising the poor but there's a lot of demonising the rich atm.

[BoneDog]

Ahh OK, so you're denying that the overwhelming majority of abusers in these grooming gangs were Pakistani muslims?  You're denying that that the overwhelming majority of the abused were white working glass girls?  You're also denying that fear of being branded racist and 'disturbing community cohesion' prevented the Police and local councils from tackling the issue for years?

 

Very interesting if so.

 

I'm denying nothing. But I know for a fact that most abuse of vulnerable girls and boys in this country is not carried out by Pakistanis, but is carried out by white people. In Rotherham and other places some of the social services, the police, councillors, and others with clout are involved and should have criminal proceedings brought against them.

 

Actually, I am denying that "fear of being branded racist and 'disturbing community cohesion' prevented the Police and local councils from tackling the issue for years", yes.

 

I know of many cases that were also brushed under the carpet and the perpetrators are white. No fear of racism there, and yet the same old cover-ups.

 

Also, to suggest that the Muslim/Pakistani community would kick up a fuss and cry racism if a rape gang were arrested is disgusting. I grew up with many Pakistanis and still play cricket with them now and again. They would be as delighted as you or I to see rape gangs locked up and off the streets.

 

You are free to believe any old propaganda you like, but you're way wrong.

 

Replies (if any) should be taken to the Rotherham thread and I will reply in there. Not sure why my font has changed halfway through this post.

[BlueSi13]

I'm denying nothing. But I know for a fact that most abuse of vulnerable girls and boys in this country is not carried out by Pakistanis, but is carried out by white people. In Rotherham and other places some of the social services, the police, councillors, and others with clout are involved and should have criminal proceedings brought against them.

 

Actually, I am denying that "fear of being branded racist and 'disturbing community cohesion' prevented the Police and local councils from tackling the issue for years", yes.

 

I know of many cases that were also brushed under the carpet and the perpetrators are white. No fear of racism there, and yet the same old cover-ups.

 

Also, to suggest that the Muslim/Pakistani community would kick up a fuss and cry racism if a rape gang were arrested is disgusting. I grew up with many Pakistanis and still play cricket with them now and again. They would be as delighted as you or I to see rape gangs locked up and off the streets.

 

You are free to believe any old propaganda you like, but you're way wrong.

 

Replies (if any) should be taken to the Rotherham thread and I will reply in there. Not sure why my font has changed halfway through this post.

 

It is true that the majority of child abusers in the country are white yes (reflects the white majority) but when it comes to GROOMING GANGS as I specifically referenced here are some FactChecks from Channel 4 news (direct copy & paste):

 

'Of 52 groups where ethnicity data was provided, 26 (50 per cent) comprised all Asian offenders, 11 (21 per cent) were all white, 9 (17 per cent) groups had offenders from multiple ethnicities, 4 (8 per cent) were all black offenders and there were 2 (4 per cent) exclusively Arab groups.

Of the 306 offenders whose ethnicity was noted, 75 per cent were categorised as Asian, 17 per cent white, and the remaining 8 per cent black (5 per cent) or Arab (3 per cent)'

 

Oh, and as for the police and local council being afraid of being accused of racism or islamophobia and the subsequent potential for a rise in community tensions, it isn't me that's saying that these are some of the reasons why the abuse was allowed to go on for so long...rather the official independent inquiry into the abuse between 1997-2013.  

[BoneDog]

Sorry for more off-topic replies, I'm spoilering it to save space.

 

If the mainstream media called a spade a spade bonedog would sooner believe some anonymous blogger who claimed it was a conspiracy. Every single time.

 
Wrong. And meaningless.
 
I don't read blogs or conspiracy sites. Well, I do read one conspiracy sub-forum, but mainly for a laugh because I think that 90% of the people on there are insane. All of my information comes from books and articles by respected journalists and not journalists who work for the BBC or Sky and who don't do their jobs properly. MSM journalists nowadays only repeat official lies and have pointless debates about strawmen and things that mislead.
 

You're talking to the King Ostrich there, who would rather claim the CIA committed all acts of terrorism than admit that some small minority of muslims might be a bit twisted - is it any suprise?

 
Another one who's wrong. When have I ever said that a minority of so-called Muslims are not twisted? Did you read what I wrote about the Syria situation for example? I was complaining about the terrorist rebels/mercenaries and their sick deeds whilst governments and media in the West were defending and paying them.
 
I wanted those terrorists destroyed. They could have been destroyed many times over (instead they were armed and trained), including when travelling for a hundred miles across the desert in their Toyota pickup convoys, but taking them out wasn't the plan. No drones needed in that case. Instead we photographed them and watched them storm into Iraq to prepare for future conflict and terrorise the locals while they're waiting.

[BoneDog]

Spoiler again to save clutter.

 

It is true that the majority of child abusers in the country are white yes (reflects the white majority) but when it comes to GROOMING GANGS as I specifically referenced here are some FactChecks from Channel 4 news (direct copy & paste):

 

'Of 52 groups where ethnicity data was provided, 26 (50 per cent) comprised all Asian offenders, 11 (21 per cent) were all white, 9 (17 per cent) groups had offenders from multiple ethnicities, 4 (8 per cent) were all black offenders and there were 2 (4 per cent) exclusively Arab groups.

Of the 306 offenders whose ethnicity was noted, 75 per cent were categorised as Asian, 17 per cent white, and the remaining 8 per cent black (5 per cent) or Arab (3 per cent)'

 

Oh, and as for the police and local council being afraid of being accused of racism or islamophobia and the subsequent potential for a rise in community tensions, it isn't me that's saying that these are some of the reasons why the abuse was allowed to go on for so long...rather the official independent inquiry into the abuse between 1997-2013.  

 

The grooming gangs are just goons at street level. The murder, rape, bribery, paedo and forced prostitution network goes through local councils, authorities, social services and up to Westminster and co.

 

I know that the racism accusation excuse is the official line, I just find it staggering that anybody actually believes it. I haven't heard of one Asian who has complained of racism since the busting of an Asian grooming gang - because it's a fairytale.

 

The question is: who was it who gave the orders to ignore the drugging, raping, gang-raping and intimidation of vulnerable people in Rotherham for over a decade, because everybody knew? It sure wasn't your average policeman, and it sure wasn't for fear of a rise in community tensions or being called racist. That excuse is just part of the cover-up and diversion.

 

Whoever did give those orders to ignore it all should be prosecuted. Absolutely sickening.

[BlueSi13]

Spoiler again to save clutter.

 

 

The grooming gangs are just goons at street level. The murder, rape, bribery, paedo and forced prostitution network goes through local councils, authorities, social services and up to Westminster and co.

 

I know that the racism accusation excuse is the official line, I just find it staggering that anybody actually believes it. I haven't heard of one Asian who has complained of racism since the busting of an Asian grooming gang - because it's a fairytale.

 

The question is: who was it who gave the orders to ignore the drugging, raping, gang-raping and intimidation of vulnerable people in Rotherham for over a decade, because everybody knew? It sure wasn't your average policeman, and it sure wasn't for fear of a rise in community tensions or being called racist. That excuse is just part of the cover-up and diversion.

 

Whoever did give those orders to ignore it all should be prosecuted. Absolutely sickening.

 

Ahh OK...here we go again.  So let me guess, government cover-up? The NWO?  The Illuminati?  CIA, MI6 & Mossad? The same people who brought down the twin towers?  The same people who created groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS to masquerade as Islamic extremists?  The same people who invented the 'Holocaust' to advance the Zionist cause?  Yes mate, we've heard it from you plenty of times before.

[Guest MattP]

Quite an interesting weekend in politics.

 

There now seem to be three things that are certain in life, death, taxes and that the Labour party will literally turn a blind eye to anything a group of Muslims will do providing they vote for them, they know they have made a mistake sitting and addressing a audience based on gender segregation but they simply can't admit to that a few days before a national election, I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger story either, you get the feeling it would have been had it been any other party. Whatever happens after this election I really hope the party looks at itself, obviously this is nowhere near Rotherham, postal fraud etc but the way people in that party will get on their hands and knees to kiss the Islamic Jackboot is quite appalling, my instinct says it will get even worse though now they have lost the Scottish vote, the Muslim vote now takes them over the line in a lot of Northern constiuencies, I hope the Tories see sense by 2020 and stop fielding candidates in the ones that are 2 way marginals between UKIP and Labour, if they do it's likely a lot will turn from red to purple.

 

Cameron whipped his turban on again and there was a quite interesting piece on the DP about the ethnic vote, the Hindu and Sikh vote is defecting massively from Labour to the Tories, Sikhs are now more likely to vote Conservative than Labour, obviously they still have the black and muslim vote sewn up but if the Tories do take one positive from what's been a pretty disastrous campaign it's been that portions of the block ethnic vote can turn given hard work, time and showing people they can do well whatever the background.

 

Labour Headstone - Even the Guardian says it was a joke, I don't know what he was thinking to be honest, the six pledges as well are laughable when you think of the last time they were in power, again, it's almost like an apology of everything they got wrong and them begging you to let them have another go.

 

Labour v SNP is going to get very nasty over the next few days and for the foreseeable future - I watched some youtube clips of what Vacamion posted and it was like something from Ukraine, no one should be punched, spat at or kicked for turning out to support a politician in public, hard to have too much sympathy with Labour given some of the boot boy tactics they have used along with Unite in places like Falkirk but it wasn't the women and kids doing that. Eddie Izzard looked very bemused, he didn't get it, you can only assume he's been living under a rock for the last year, you're nothing more than a Red Tory up North Mrs.

 

Finaly dawned on me this week we could have a socialist PM soon who lost the election in every country apart from Wales propped up by a nationalist party who got about 3%-4% of the UK wide vote, if so we've got to move towards another referendum on Scottish Independence, I'm a huge advcoate of the union but I think the two countries are now just far too different politically for it to continue to work.

 

Finally can we please put Leanne Wood away? Why is this woman getting so much coverage? She's fourth in the polls in Wales ffs.

[Guest MattP]

Looks like this has been going on for a while, wonder if any other political parties have a 'women's section' at their events?

 

[Strokes]

Looks like this has been going on for a while, wonder if any other political parties have a 'women's section' at their events?

That's disgusting.

[Guest MattP]

That's disgusting.

 

The worst thing about it is that it appears to be something quite special by the advertisement, reading that you would assume most political events around places like this are strictly male only the vast majority of the time. Women not welcome unless invited by the female councillor who organises their own section.

 

I thought the Mason's were bad, least they have a women's night every month.

 

Wonder what Harriet Harman is thinking of this?

[Strokes]

The worst thing about it is that it appears to be something quite special by the advertisement, reading that you would assume most political events around places like this are strictly male only the vast majority of the time.

I thought the Mason's were bad, least they have a women's night every month.

When I seen the photo I assumed it was something they had chosen to do but that is just appalling..... Words quite literally fail me.

If that was white and Tory/UKIP, some people here would be foaming at the mouth.

[Guest]

So you'll admit that they've been around years and they were never a problem before?

 

I don't see anyone demonising the poor but there's a lot of demonising the rich atm.

 

Then you're not looking.

 

both the poor and the super rich are demonised and those of us in the middle pay for both of them to live.

[Guest MattP]

When I seen the photo I assumed it was something they had chosen to do but that is just appalling..... Words quite literally fail me.

If that was white and Tory/UKIP, some people here would be foaming at the mouth.

 

Well a UKIP MEP was hounded out for making a joke about women cleaning behind the fridge. You know what you get though now when it comes to Labour/Muslim vote - offended by everything, ashamed by nothing.

 

In other news looks like the local Tories are all piling in behind Nick Clegg in Hallam, if they can do this why can't they advise their own voters to vote UKIP in places like Grimsby, Rotherham and Heywood and Middleton etc - they could easily unseat so many 'safe' Labour MP's doing so.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/04/breathtaking-surge-of-tory-tactical-votes-to-save-nick-clegg-in-hallam-poll?CMP=share_btn_fb

[Guest]

 

Finaly dawned on me this week we could have a socialist PM soon who lost the election in every country apart from Wales propped up by a nationalist party who got about 3%-4% of the UK wide vote, if so we've got to move towards another referendum on Scottish Independence, I'm a huge advcoate of the union but I think the two countries are now just far too different politically for it to continue to work.

 

Finally can we please put Leanne Wood away? Why is this woman getting so much coverage? She's fourth in the polls in Wales ffs.

 

and don't we usually have a tory govt. That can hardly win a seat in three countries of our nation as well as a lot of the north and who have been propped up by the Lib Dems this time round?

[Guest MattP]

and don't we usually have a tory govt. That can hardly win a seat in three countries of our nation as well as a lot of the north and who have been propped up by the Lib Dems this time round?

 

The Tories were the most popular party in England and the second most popular party in Wales last time out. Given England is about 90% of the UK I'd say that makes them legit. Put it this way, what party deserved to govern ahead of them? We could have a Prime Minister next week that won less seats than Gordon Brown, was annihilated in his parties natural homeland and came second in his home country, we've even now got senior Labour MP's saying in the broadsheets that if they lose the election they really don't have a right to govern and he should go.

 

He'll be the most illegimate Prime Minister of the nation ever. The 'accidental' Prime Minister. Propped up on the basis that a lot on the left now can't give any other reason to vote for them apart from the fact of you might not like the Tories.

[Jon the Hat]

A beaten Labour party propped up by an anti-union SNP leading our United Kingdom is completely unacceptable and would require another election asap.

[Guest MattP]

Something I really didn't expect - the left leaning Independent has backed the coalition.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32585930

 

 

The Independent newspaper has given its backing to another coalition of the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties after the general election.

"For all its faults", it said, "another Lib-Con Coalition would both prolong recovery and give our kingdom a better chance of continued existence".

But it hoped it would be "much less conservative, and much more liberal".

The Guardian has backed Labour and the Sun the Conservatives - with its sister paper the Scottish Sun backing the SNP.

Other papers which have declared support for a specific party so far include the Mirror, which is backing Labour, and the Financial Times, which called for another Conservative-led administration.

Democracy 'in peril'

The Independent said it was not telling its readers how to vote but it said it believed democracy was precious and must be revitalised.

It said the Greens had been a "disappointment", while UKIP were against "globalisation and modernity, both of which we welcome".

"The SNP is an agent of change, with impressive leaders in both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. But they are a wrecking ball poised to hit Westminster and, unlike us, want to abolish Britain," it said.

It said Ed Miliband had had an impressive campaign, but criticised him on various policies - and warned of any partnership between Labour and the SNP.

"For all his talk of no deals with the SNP, Miliband is bound to rely on that party to get his legislative programme through," it said.

"This would be a disaster for the country, unleashing justified fury in England at the decisive influence of MPs who - unlike this title - do not wish the union to exist."

[Jon the Hat]

Something I really didn't expect - the left leaning Independent has backed the coalition.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32585930

 

They can see what those of us voting for another coalition can see - Labour + SNP is a disaster waiting to happen, and we have Zero faith in Labour's lies about not doing a deal with the SNP.

[Rincewind]

A good quote about politics.

The art of taking money from the few and votes from the many under the pretext of protecting the one from the other.

        — Sen. Matthew Quay (R-PA), quoted in Realigning America: Mckinley, Bryan, and the Remarkable Election of 1896 by R. Hal Williams.

 

More here.

 

A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul

        — George Bernard Shaw

[Guest Kopfkino]

Something I really didn't expect - the left leaning Independent has backed the coalition.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32585930

Or maybe just because the owner is a non-dom

[Jon the Hat]

A good quote about politics.

The art of taking money from the few and votes from the many under the pretext of protecting the one from the other.

        — Sen. Matthew Quay (R-PA), quoted in Realigning America: Mckinley, Bryan, and the Remarkable Election of 1896 by R. Hal Williams.

 

More here.

 

A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul

        — George Bernard Shaw

 

Ken is that you?  Are  you finally recognising that when the top 10% of earners pay 55% of the total income tax and the top 3,000 pay more than the bottom 9,000,000 that the wealthy are in fact paying their fair share?  Maybe, just maybe it is the poor spending that is the problem, not the tax!

[Guest]

Ken is that you?  Are  you finally recognising that when the top 10% of earners pay 55% of the total income tax and the top 3,000 pay more than the bottom 9,000,000 that the wealthy are in fact paying their fair share?  Maybe, just maybe it is the poor spending that is the problem, not the tax!

 

Or maybe he realises that pay is inequal and unfair.