2015 Election season ..........stuff it in here.

[Guest Kopfkino]

Thanks, didn't know this. But further showing, the figures aren't all so great are they.

Well it's better than people being out of work and on housing benefit

[MiniFox]

Would the figures be better if they were out of work and claiming housing benefit?

Of course not, but the facts would be better if a lot of this work wasn't on zero hour contracts.

[BlueSi13]

Who are 'they?'

 

I'm reasonably confident that the overwhelming majority of Muslims don't go in for all that shite, and those that do tend to disengage from the mainstream political process anyway. 

 

In all honesty, if you're applying that to British Muslims collectively, you're dangerously close to Britain First territory.

 

Ahh yes, there it is, shut down any debate about the social attitudes of certain sections of the British muslim community by chucking in the racism card.  Hilarious. 

[MiniFox]

Well it's better than people being out of work and on housing benefit

It is, but as I've said, the facts would be better if a lot of these people were not on zero hour contracts, if Cameron can't live on a zero hour contract, why should anyone if they don't want to? At least with Labour the employee gets a choice after x amount of weeks.

[Webbo]

Of course not, but the facts would be better if a lot of this work wasn't on zero hour contracts.

80% of the jobs are full time. 2 thirds of those on zero hour contracts(or casual work as it used to be known) are happy with that. 

 

This zero hours nonsense is just bogus to try and make the figures look bad. The facts don't stack up.

[BlueSi13]

Genital mutilation is part of North-Eastern African culture, not mainstream muslim culture at all. Holocaust denial tends to come from a section of muslims in the Middle-East (and certain sections of Western right-wingers anf neo-nazis) not mainstream muslim culture. 'Forced' marriages are no more common in muslim culture than any other culture where arranged marriages are the norm.

Do you actually know any muslims?

 

I know plenty thank you, and I was never talking about the entiretry of the muslim faith.  I was talking about elements of the British Pakistani community.  If you really don't think the issues I raised apply to that community at all then that is your opinion and I respect that.

[Rincewind]

Cameron has said it is nonsense to make the figures look good but then he would wouldn't he? It is election time.

[Webbo]

Ca meron  has said  it is nonsense to make the  figures look good  but then he would wouldn't he? It is election time.

What is Ke n?

[BlueSi13]

80% of the jobs are full time. 2 thirds of those on zero hour contracts(or casual work as it used to be known) are happy with that. 

 

This zero hours nonsense is just bogus to try and make the figures look bad. The facts don't stack up.

 

People are still going about zero hours contracts (aka casual hours)?

 

To be fair I think Labour have made this stick pretty well despite having nothing to back up their claims, 'zero hours contracts.  Food banks.  Cost of living crisis.'  It has undoubtably stuck in peoples minds.

[MiniFox]

80% of the jobs are full time. 2 thirds of those on zero hour contracts(or casual work as it used to be known) are happy with that. 

 

This zero hours nonsense is just bogus to try and make the figures look bad. The facts don't stack up.

1 third of those on zero hour contracts aren't happy, that means that 1 third of the around 1.4m (May be more now, 700,000 of which is their main job) aren't happy. That's around 450,000 people, that's assuming that the 2 thirds are happy and more aren't unhappy.

 

You can't seriously think that's ok? It what way is it bogus?

[Strokes]

1 third of those on zero hour contracts aren't happy, that means that 1 third of the around 1.4m (May be more now, 700,000 of which is their main job) aren't happy. That's around 450,000 people, that's assuming that the 2 thirds are happy and more aren't unhappy.

You can't seriously think that's ok? It what way is it bogus?

How many of those are employed by labour?

[Webbo]

1 third of those on zero hour contracts aren't happy, that means that 1 third of the around 1.4m (May be more now, 700,000 of which is their main job) aren't happy. That's around 450,000 people, that's assuming that the 2 thirds are happy and more aren't unhappy.

 

You can't seriously think that's ok? It what way is it bogus?

You tell me any job where 2 thirds of the employees are happy.

 

What is a hotel supposed to do when it needs extra staff because there's a wedding on or some sort of function. are they supposed to give people full time jobs behind the bar,waiting or collecting glasses when they only need them for 4 hours 20 or 30 times a year?

 

Banning ZHCs will be a disaster. It's a stupid policy.

[MiniFox]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2015/mar/31/has-david-cameron-really-created-1000-jobs-a-day

 

"As the chart above shows, analysis by the ONS has demonstrated that self-employment in the UK was higher in 2014 than at any point over the past 40 years, at 4.6 million or 15% of the workforce. Of the 1.1 million rise in the number of people employed between the first quarter of 2008 and the second quarter of 2014, 732,000 were self-employed.

The increase can partly be explained by people choosing to work for longer in self-employed roles, but also by an inability of some self-employed workers to find work as an employee."

[Strokes]

http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1426500638420/rise_in_employment_NEW.svg

"As the chart above shows, analysis by the ONS has demonstrated that self-employment in the UK was higher in 2014 than at any point over the past 40 years, at 4.6 million or 15% of the workforce. Of the 1.1 million rise in the number of people employed between the first quarter of 2008 and the second quarter of 2014, 732,000 were self-employed.

The increase can partly be explained by people choosing to work for longer in self-employed roles, but also by an inability of some self-employed workers to find work as an employee."

Self employed is also zero hour, if you think about it.

[MooseBreath]

I swear your brain cells reduce in number by around 10% daily.

Well, at least I'll always have some left.

By the way, when I said "greedy for hand outs in some form", I was including public sector workers in that, so don't worry, you're covered.

[Webbo]

http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1426500638420/rise_in_employment_NEW.svg 

 

"As the chart above shows, analysis by the ONS has demonstrated that self-employment in the UK was higher in 2014 than at any point over the past 40 years, at 4.6 million or 15% of the workforce. Of the 1.1 million rise in the number of people employed between the first quarter of 2008 and the second quarter of 2014, 732,000 were self-employed.

The increase can partly be explained by people choosing to work for longer in self-employed roles, but also by an inability of some self-employed workers to find work as an employee."

Your link doesn't work.

 

You seem to working on the assumption that if Labour had been in there would have been well paid, full time jobs for all that wanted them. We lost more manufacturing jobs under the last Labout govt than we did under Mrs Thatcher. The only area where jobs grew under Labour was the public sector, the cost of which dropped us into the shit we're in now.

[MiniFox]

You tell me any job where 2 thirds of the employees are happy.

 

What is a hotel supposed to do when it needs extra staff because there's a wedding on or some sort of function. are they supposed to give people full time jobs behind the bar,waiting or collecting glasses when they only need them for 4 hours 20 or 30 times a year?

 

Banning ZHCs will be a disaster. It's a stupid policy.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but Labour's policy was to give the employee a choice, after x amount of weeks, they can have full employment, so if some are happy, they will stay on zero hour contracts, which surely is where these people will come in when, like in the example you gave. 

Your link doesn't work.

 

You seem to working on the assumption that if Labour had been in there would have been well paid, full time jobs for all that wanted them. We lost more manufacturing jobs under the last Labout govt than we did under Mrs Thatcher. The only area where jobs grew under Labour was the public sector, the cost of which dropped us into the shit we're in now.

Apologies. 

The picture is on there.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2015/mar/31/has-david-cameron-really-created-1000-jobs-a-day

[Webbo]

Maybe I'm wrong, but Labour's policy was to give the employee a choice, after x amount of weeks, they can have full employment, so if some are happy, they will stay on zero hour contracts, which surely is where these people will come in when, like in the example you gave. 

Apologies. 

The picture is on there.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2015/mar/31/has-david-cameron-really-created-1000-jobs-a-day

People already have a choice. If you don't like your zero hour contract you can find a different job.

[Rincewind]

People are still going about zero hours contracts (aka casual hours)?

 

To be fair I think Labour have made this stick pretty well despite having nothing to back up their claims, 'zero hours contracts.  Food banks.  Cost of living crisis.'  It has undoubtably stuck in peoples minds.

So it should.

[MiniFox]

People already have a choice. If you don't like your zero hour contract you can find a different job.

In a zero hour contract job as you're main job, I doubt you'd be qualified or have the experience to find a different job just like that. If that is your only source of income then you're not going to be in a hurry to leave and start looking for other employment, what if you simply can't find a different job? What then do they just accept that's that? 

[MooseBreath]

1. Many of which are zero hour contracts. Unfair on the employee.

2. With inflation wages have decreased by £1,600 since 2010. Not exactly good for the working people.

3. I suppose you're just going to ignore deaths by unfair benefit sanctions? (But of course that's entirely their fault) http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/victims-britains-harsh-welfare-sanctions

4. I'm not even sure what to say on that one.

Point 1 seems to have been dealt with.

On point 2, it's true that wages fell in real terms in the aftermath of the terrible recession we suffered under labour. The increases to the tax free allowance offset much of that for lower and middle income workers. That was a tory government, giving effective tax cuts to the lower paid during a time of great economic struggle and uncertainty. Hardly "nasty". In recent times, wage growth is well ahead of inflation and looks set to remain assuming continued effective management of the economy.

On point 3, that's just emotive claptrap.

[Webbo]

In a zero hour contract job as you're main job, I doubt you'd be qualified or have the experience to find a different job just like that. If that is your only source of income then you're not going to be in a hurry to leave and start looking for other employment, what if you simply can't find a different job? What then do they just accept that's that? 

You can look for another job while you're still employed.

[Dr The Singh]

Mrs works zero hours contracts, all this stuff about, if you don't like it etc......is easier said and done. People with skills and qualifications are holding zero hours contracts with employers treating staff like perm employees without the contractual commitment. In the real world it is tough to find work, with many employers eg NHS, prefer to offer zero hours, where they could offer perm positions, so the pool of perm positions drop. The world with zero hours or bank hours known in the NHS, is difficult, you can't get loans, mortgages etc

I actually like labours solution, but still prefer to vote conservative

[MiniFox]

So it should.

These issues don't exist, remember?

 

You can look for another job while you're still employed.

My point was, if there is no other job and if it's your only source of income you may feel you have to stick with it, although of course you don't have to.

 

Point 1 seems to have been dealt with.

On point 2, it's true that wages fell in real terms in the aftermath of the terrible recession we suffered under labour. The increases to the tax free allowance offset much of that for lower and middle income workers. That was a tory government, giving effective tax cuts to the lower paid during a time of great economic struggle and uncertainty. Hardly "nasty". In recent times, wage growth is well ahead of inflation and looks set to remain assuming continued effective management of the economy.

On point 3, that's just emotive claptrap.

 

 

Point 1, hasn't exactly been dealt with, because some tory supporters have decided they disagree.

Point 2 can labour be blamed for the American banks, causing a global economic crash, would the Tories have prevented the crash?

Point 3, real people have died, who's to blame?

[ADK]

I'm not in favour of banning ZHC, but then I'm not in favour of having things like the minimum wage and I think we've seen the unnecessary proliferation of pointless qualifications and regulations like DBS checks for practically everything.