Goddard Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 So the last time I remember a run like this was a couple of years when we still somehow crept into the play offs with THAT Forest game. Obviously the opposition were far more inferior but our side wasn't a million miles away from where it is now. I would say stick with Pearson this season no matter how it pans out, I believe that last year alone has earned him that right. However, when morale is low, is his personality more of a catalyst to further destroy confidence? I thought his comments about wood after the saints game were bang out of order. His starting 11 didn't even create a chance and it was already game over when Wood had his chance. Either way, the comment isn't going to help the lad. Hopefully just another poor character assessment to join the other dozen threads on here. We will see against Sunderland.
Mark_w Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Hopefully just another poor character assessment to join the other dozen threads on here. Everyone deserves their own special thread to point out how incompetent they think the best manager we've had for a decade is.
Goddard Posted 9 November 2014 Author Posted 9 November 2014 Not disputing that in the slightest. We just need a stroke of good fortune as I can't see the attitude of the players changing without it.
LCFC Rennie Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Everyone deserves their own special thread to point out how incompetent they think the best manager we've had for a decade is. That's all FoxesTalk is at the moment. Pisses me off.
cc_star Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 It was an awful run, even I as fan of Pearson's think he was extremely lucky to keep his job, but through the run we became difficult to beat & defeats turned to draws & we scraped a win or so to push us over the line While we were never in the Swansea game we've been in all the rest and the margins between relegation zone and Europa League spots is infinitely small. We do, however, need to look like scoring to capitalise on the amazing opportunity that this extremely tight league is. As happens to players & teams from time to time we probably need one off someone's shin or arse to give us the lift we need.
theessexfox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Can't imagine everyone was buzzing after the Watford play-off game.
Spicer Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Last time morale was this low we didn't really recover in the season despite reaching the play offs. However we then went on to win the chamionship. Pearson therefore can fix a low morale, the question is the speed at which he can do it.
Tuna Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 He's the reason they have low morale. GET HIM OUT!
Mark_w Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 He's the reason they have low morale. GET HIM OUT! Why didn't they have low morale last year?
inckley fox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 This manager has now had three devastating runs of form in his reign - that which cost us promotion in 2013, and that which saw us fall from play-off challengers to mid-table mediocrity in 2011-12 in addition to the current run. All three have come after very positive results (the Blackpool game which saw us go into the play-offs in November 2011, the Wolves game which cemented our automatic spot in early 2013, and now the Man U game), which does ask some questions about how we deal with these moments. Two things - one of which is largely conjecture - have bothered me more than others in recent weeks. They could both be an influence on squad morale, and they equally indicate a manager who is unclear on why his side are doing so badly at the moment. The first is his apparent issue with Mahrez and Knockaert. This is not only a morale issue, but it has also seen a player who has been one of our key creative forces this season (the others, perhaps, being Ulloa and Vardy) dropped from the side at a time when we can't buy a goal. In some ways it seems to me that both represent easier targets for a manager looking for someone to blame than, say, Nugent, Drinkwater or De Laet. Both are foreign, small of stature, they speak poor English and, while friends with each other, are not part of the perceived in-crowd (King, Konchesky, Morgan, Schlupp, Moore, Nugent are all supposed to be good mates). And with this pair he has possibly broken his own rule about not singling out individuals in the press. I hope these players, two of our more creative, do not feel picked on. He coped very badly the last time his squad became fractured by the fall-outs with St Ledger and Mills. The second is the way he has repeatedly pointed towards our problem as not taking chances. For me this either means that he is unaware of what the real problem is, or is papering over the cracks. In truth we have had a pathetic number of goalscoring opportunities over the past six games in comparison to pretty much any other Premier League side. On the other hand our work rate has been rightly called into question on various occasions. Leicester look like a side who are being frustrated, rather than a side capable of frustrating superior teams. Unless we learn the importance of off-the-ball movement, commitment in the challenge and hassling the opposition - and I'm astonished by how our four centre midfielders were so easily over-run by Southampton's 2 or 3 yesterday - then we will be relegated. Squads whose quality is comparable with ours can stay up - but only with a relentless work ethic.
Mark_w Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 This manager has now had three devastating runs of form in his reign - that which cost us promotion in 2013, and that which saw us fall from play-off challengers to mid-table mediocrity in 2011-12 in addition to the current run. All three have come after very positive results (the Blackpool game which saw us go into the play-offs in November 2011, the Wolves game which cemented our automatic spot in early 2013, and now the Man U game), which does ask some questions about how we deal with these moments. In 2011/12 Nigel took over with us 12th in the league and we finished 9th. We were in the top six during that time only once. We didn't have any run of devastating form that season, we were just consistently inconsistent. So he's managed us for two poor spells, and this one has only lasted six games so far, against pretty strong opposition.
inckley fox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Everyone deserves their own special thread to point out how incompetent they think the best manager we've had for a decade is. It's quite right that people are asking questions of Pearson, even if the obvious answer right now is that he's still the right man for the job. And you keep saying this, but the past 10, 11, 12, 13 years have been the most disastrous in our club's history. Picking anyone out as the best manager is like talking about the best boy band or the nicest form of mental illness. And just because Taylor, Bassett, Levein, Kelly, Allen, Megson, Holloway and Sousa weren't good enough doesn't mean that a huge number of managers at a huge number of clubs over the past ten or so years haven't been every bit as, and more successful than Pearson. In truth none of us know what, precisely, his mandate was in this second spell. Most guessed, at the time, that it was to win promotion in 2012 or, should that fail, in 2013; to comply with FFP if necessary, and to get the club and keep the club in the Premier League. In that context, and in the context of a club which has given ample financial backing to its manager, his achievements since 2011 have been impressive, but by no means exceptional. I think we probably should give him a little longer, but we can't take the view that Pearson is the best man we can have in charge simply because we've been outstandingly rubbish at appointing other managers in the past. The solution to that problem is to get better at choosing your managers, not to simply stop choosing new managers all together.
sylofox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 It was an awful run, even I as fan of Pearson's think he was extremely lucky to keep his job, but through the run we became difficult to beat & defeats turned to draws & we scraped a win or so to push us over the line While we were never in the Swansea game we've been in all the rest and the margins between relegation zone and Europa League spots is infinitely small. We do, however, need to look like scoring to capitalise on the amazing opportunity that this extremely tight league is. As happens to players & teams from time to time we probably need one off someone's shin or arse to give us the lift we need. Is that not the reason why so many are pissed at Nige. I do think he is showing to much respect to the so called lesser sides. If he was playing like this against man c and the chelsea's I don't think people would be so pissed at him but he is not. He's doing it in 1pt possible 3pt games.
65RosesFox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Did some of our fans seriously think there wouldn't be spells during the season where we would go on a bad run of form and struggle......
inckley fox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 In 2011/12 Nigel took over with us 12th in the league and we finished 9th. We were in the top six during that time only once. We didn't have any run of devastating form that season, we were just consistently inconsistent. So he's managed us for two poor spells, and this one has only lasted six games so far, against pretty strong opposition. This isn't about whether Pearson did a good job or not that season, so there's no need to leap to his defence on that score. In 2011-12 we marginally improved on our position when we all harboured serious expectations of a play-off challenge. Some thought his job was at risk but the board rightly - as I argued at the time - decided to keep him. But after that Blackpool game, when we were 6th, we went on a run in which we won just two games from ten. It saw us fall to 13th and pretty much out of the promotion race. If that isn't a poor run of form for a promotion chasing side, then I have no idea what is.
Bettsj2 Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Did some of our fans seriously think there wouldn't be spells during the season where we would go on a bad run of form and struggle...... Hearing this over and over again. Everyone had acknowledged that would be the case. The issue people have is how quickly the side have become as bad as we are. And let's get it straight, we are beyond awful at the minute and look every inch relegation fodder which should not be the case given the talent we know the squad contains.
inckley fox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Did some of our fans seriously think there wouldn't be spells during the season where we would go on a bad run of form and struggle...... Again, this isn't the point. This is a worse run than any we went through between August 1996 and May 2000. One year later we would go on another such run which would end with us in the second tier and very nearly out of business all together. It's not simply the run, either. We have scored only one away goal all season, but continue to approach away games with a 'backs to the wall from the off' game plan. We are in the relegation zone and we are the most out-of-form side, by far, in the relegation zone. Worse still, for Pearson at least, we are at the stage in the season (i.e. between September and January) when clubs who fire their manager tend to fare better. As I stated on another thread, over the past five years there have been ten sides who were in the bottom six at this point of the season who have fired their manager during these months, and only three of them have gone down. Sides who waited did not fare so well. I think, for the next couple of games at least, we will be in a position where one win will make everything look a lot brighter. Confidence will be lifted. Pearson will get his chance to settle the side. As such it is probably too early to make a change. But things need to get better, and fast, or the argument to get rid of him will be a very strong one.
Mark_w Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 This isn't about whether Pearson did a good job or not that season, so there's no need to leap to his defence on that score. In 2011-12 we marginally improved on our position when we all harboured serious expectations of a play-off challenge. Some thought his job was at risk but the board rightly - as I argued at the time - decided to keep him. But after that Blackpool game, when we were 6th, we went on a run in which we won just two games from ten. It saw us fall to 13th and pretty much out of the promotion race. If that isn't a poor run of form for a promotion chasing side, then I have no idea what is. 2 wins, 4 draws and 4 defeats is not great, but it is not the devastating run of form you're claiming it is. Poor perhaps, but not devastating, or indeed comparable to 2012/13.
Monk Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 However, when morale is low, is his personality more of a catalyst to further destroy confidence? I think only time will tell, and I hope he is given the chance to turn it around, unlike it seems the majority of this board.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 The second is the way he has repeatedly pointed towards our problem as not taking chances. For me this either means that he is unaware of what the real problem is, or is papering over the cracks. In truth we have had a pathetic number of goalscoring opportunities over the past six games in comparison to pretty much any other Premier League side. On the other hand our work rate has been rightly called into question on various occasions. Leicester look like a side who are being frustrated, rather than a side capable of frustrating superior teams. Unless we learn the importance of off-the-ball movement, commitment in the challenge and hassling the opposition - and I'm astonished by how our four centre midfielders were so easily over-run by Southampton's 2 or 3 yesterday - then we will be relegated. Squads whose quality is comparable with ours can stay up - but only with a relentless work ethic. This is one of the more worrying things we've seen recently from Nige. Yesterday in his post-match interview he basically singled Wood out by saying that "we didn't convert our chances" (which given that we basically only had 1 was definitely talking about Wood's woeful finish). Obviously that was terrible, but it is Pearson's fault that we are set up in a way whereby it is an absolute necessity that we score every decent chance we get, because we barely create any.
inckley fox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 2 wins, 4 draws and 4 defeats is not great, but it is not the devastating run of form you're claiming it is. Poor perhaps, but not devastating, or indeed comparable to 2012/13. Our aim was to make the play-offs. A run of two wins in ten games took us from 6th to 13th, and effectively ended our challenge. Just because it isn't as bad as another 1 or 2 appalling runs of form under the same manager doesn't mean it isn't a bad run of form. For over a fifth of the season we needed to average 1.8 points per game, and instead we averaged just 1. It destroyed our play-off challenge and basically wrecked our season. I thought it was pretty devastating.
65RosesFox Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Hearing this over and over again. Everyone had acknowledged that would be the case. The issue people have is how quickly the side have become as bad as we are. And let's get it straight, we are beyond awful at the minute and look every inch relegation fodder which should not be the case given the talent we know the squad contains. And look how other teams who were on dismal form when we were dong well have turned it around, or starting to it around. Burnley were doomed and guaranteed relegation. Now with their first win they are two points from safety. Newcastle wanted Pardew out, winless and looked awful. Four games later they are closing in on fourth spot. QPR were leaking goals for fun and looked horrendous and are now playing well and were unlucky not take all three points yesterday against Man City. So if those three teams can turn it around after some awful performances and results then why can't fans have faith that we will do the same.
LCFCtotheprem Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 I would keep Pearson the whole season! Fans need to get behind the team and we will turn it around
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