Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Suicidal to me means seeing no other exit and choosing an option that spells downfall from the start. The formation wasn't suicidal. The gameplan worked. Until one particular moment which was out of our control. The crucial element was a linesman who had forgotten his specs at home, allowing Manchester United to score the first in controversial fashion. From then on, we simply gave in and let the heads hang. If at all, I find that attitude disheartening. The team needed a good talking to at half-time in order to come up with damage control. And so they did. If you really believe that the offside goal was the crucial factor in this game then you're clutching. If that goal didnt stand, the next one would. I got the feeling second half Man Utd just turned the gas down a bit. The game was over. If they would have needed five to win, I think they'd have got five. They didn't, so they eased off.
Fox Ulike Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 That's my point though and I kind of agree with you anyway - Pearson is never gonna win. If he plays Kramaric he satisfies some fans because of the expense he was signed for and he needs to play to justify that expense. If he doesn't play, he'll no doubt get criticised for not playing our most expensive signing. I think he'll definitely play next week however in a similar attacking formation. It's not Pearson's job to pick the players that the fans want picked. He's bought another striker when the problem was that the midfield weren't creating any chances. We didn't need him we needed a midfielder who could create chances. January gone now... Kramaric is just another mouth to feed.
seenitall Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 One good season followed by three crap,one's followed by a good one - have we got to put up with two and a half more crap ones? Hope not but it's looking that way - were never going to get anything today but perhaps a point against Stoke would have been useful
MC Prussian Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 If you really believe that the offside goal was the crucial factor in this game then you're clutching. If that goal didnt stand, the next one would. I got the feeling second half Man Utd just turned the gas down a bit. The game was over. If they would have needed five to win, I think they'd have got five. They didn't, so they eased off. That's pretty easy to say in hindsight. I just look at the match and say we played decent football and tried to initiate good counter attacks at times. Up until the first goal, I think our defense (with the help of our midfield) handled the Manchester United attacks pretty well.
Fox Ulike Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Suicidal to me means seeing no other exit and choosing an option that spells downfall from the start. The formation wasn't suicidal. The gameplan worked. Until one particular moment which was out of our control. The crucial element was a linesman who had forgotten his specs at home, allowing Manchester United to score the first in controversial fashion. From then on, we simply gave in and let the heads hang. If at all, I find that attitude disheartening. The team needed a good talking to at half-time in order to come up with damage control. And so they did. Unless the gameplan was to be 3-0 down at half-time I don't think you can say that it "worked".
inckley fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Oh right well if you think I'm wrong then I must be. You've really won me round. God maybe I was wrong about him at the end of 2012/13 too. Thanks for putting me right, if you could just PM me all the answers from now on I'll never have to form my own opinion based on what I see with my own eyes again. Well, if you thought he'd achieved expectations that season (and it's my understanding that you do) then, yes, you were wrong. My view back then was that we should keep him on as manager because we could come back stronger with him in charge, and we did. So that sort of makes me right too. But if you believe, with the benefit of retrospect, that he was the best manager to prepare us for the PL then - at this moment, at least - it looks like you were wrong. And me too. Look, a good friend of mine maintained that we should keep Pearson until the day we went up, then quickly get rid. I disagreed, I said he needed his chance. Others argued he should have gone back in 2013. He was absolutely mocked last summer, even though I'd stood next to him while he cheered Pearson's name (which plenty of his supporters on here, I'm sure, have never bothered to do). Others argued he should have gone last November, then changed their minds, then changed their minds again. He's always stuck with the same point of view. Imagine, on the basis of all of the evidence laid out before us, how much more right than you and me right now. So it's best not to remind us how right you were once upon a time about something. And it's best not to let our emotions and personal preferences get in the way of the very clear picture in front of us. Pearson - I still maintain - is the best option for us right now. But when I argued that three months ago, or felt smugly confident that it was the case back in May, it appears that I was wrong. And, you know, I might be wrong again. Why not just accept that this could be the case?
inckley fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 That's pretty easy to say in hindsight. I just look at the match and say we played decent football and tried to initiate good counter attacks at times. Up until the first goal, I think our defense (with the help of our midfield) handled the Manchester United attacks pretty well. Really? No, no that's just wrong. We absolutely did not play decent football. How can I ever take you seriously again after I've heard you argue this?!
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 That's pretty easy to say in hindsight. I just look at the match and say we played decent football and tried to initiate good counter attacks at times. Up until the first goal, I think our defense (with the help of our midfield) handled the Manchester United attacks pretty well. Which is a reflection MC of your usual blue tinted ness. 3-0 down at half time, suggests otherwise. Handling an opposition 'pretty well', in my eyes, would be holding out until 70 minutes, creating a few good chances yourself, then losing it one nil despite your best efforts. We were miles away from that. But you know that really, I think.
BigMicky Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 It's not Pearson's job to pick the players that the fans want picked. He's bought another striker when the problem was that the midfield weren't creating any chances. We didn't need him we needed a midfielder who could create chances. January gone now... Kramaric is just another mouth to feed. ??? Two months ago folk were complaining as we weren't taking our chances??
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Really? No, no that's just wrong. We absolutely did not play decent football. How can I ever take you seriously again after I've heard you argue this?! I have not taken him seriously for ages. I think MC was one of the ones who claimed Cambiasso was still 'world class'? Apologies if I got that wrong, but if he did, then any notion of sincerity goes out the window.
MC Prussian Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Which is a reflection MC of your usual blue tinted ness. 3-0 down at half time, suggests otherwise. Handling an opposition 'pretty well', in my eyes, would be holding out until 70 minutes, creating a few good chances yourself, then losing it one nil despite your best efforts. We were miles away from that. But you know that really, I think. Do you actually read my posts? I said we played decent football up until United's first goal. I've also been critical about our response following RVP's opener.
MC Prussian Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Really? No, no that's just wrong. We absolutely did not play decent football. How can I ever take you seriously again after I've heard you argue this?! I could take you seriously if you started to draw conclusions from my full comment, not just 30% of it.
ADK Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 We wouldn't have been caught high for the second if we hadn't conceded the first and I think Morgan suffers loss of composure when we go behind so I feel it would be less likely we would have conceded the OG. The first goal is always the most important.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Not defending the line up as such, but to get on his back today is a little harsh. Thought we looked quite strong until the goal and then we just completely broke. I'm not a fan of Vardy, but I do think he's justified in playing him today after his previous performance against United (probably the only game he looked capable at this level). We really could have done with an extra body in midfield.
The Doctor Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 How could you defend him? I have no idea how you can defend - Dropping a goalkeeper who has been part of a solid defence for the past 4 or 5 league games for your 42 year old pal - Playing a guy who wasn't good enough at RB at LB - Playing what has consistently been your worst CM pairing this season - Playing Vardy on the wing and leaving your best winger over recent games, Albrighton, out - Bringing him on and taking the guy you signed to nod in his crosses off (again), who is also by far and away your top scorer - Bringing off 17m of attacking talent when you need a goal, having played one of them way too deep, and after neither of them had a half-chance to get on the scoresheet - Dropping Knockaert after a couple of decent performances You could argue over anything else, but you'd be insane to debate these points. Just like you'd be insane to do anything other than blame the manager's decision to drop his best winger and leave 17m of attacking talent on the bench at home to Stoke, then go on to fail to score, and lose. Pearson's decisions have been mind-blowingly weird this season. I've never wanted him sacked, but he has the lion's share of the blame for us being as crap as we have this season. A) hamer was poor vs stoke and Schwarzer is the better keeper anywayb) de laet has looked fine at lb earlier in the season, and the alternative is konchesky C) were there other options, James suspended and Hammond + cambiasso just returning from injury D) actually a fair point E) Albrighton isn't just on there for crosses, and ulloa didn't really threaten F) so you'd rather stick with players not playing well because of how much they cost? G) agreed, don't know what knocks has done wrong.
LCFCSOULBOY Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Sorry but when you are bottom of the league you have to play your best team to compete. We cannot make excuses week and week out waiting to play the weaker teams around us hoping for survival. They too are doing the same. Unless we get a few results elsewhere we will still find ourselves bottom come that time and could then be dead, buried and with no confidence. We could end up being their road to safety. I do not understand why Pearson does not pick his best team. King and Drinky nice lads but completely over run today. Again Vardy running around like an headless chicken. For those that still have faith in Pearson, do you not see the urgency. We are obviously stuck with him now for the remainder of the season. I just hope a miracle will happen and he suddenly starts to not go with his hunches and treats every game like it is a cup final game
SecretPro Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 It would be nice to just pick a good starting 11 and stick with it. A novelty I know, but it would be nice.
tickler28 Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 The transfer window closes in two days, so there's still time and hope we'll get a decent attacking midfielder in. Not gonna happen
LCFCSOULBOY Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Just can't understand why people still try to make excuses for him support him. Honestly, at times when I look at his line ups and watch our boys go about trying to play to his inept tactics , I think he is trying to get us relegated. Crazy I know, but it baffles me how wrong he gets things. Surely he must have doubt's about his own ability by now. I hate to say this but I do not think I have ever seen such a bad job by a manager in the Premiership. I used to like the guy. Thought he did a wonderful job last season. But this one, just think he is the ruin of us. IMO had we set up differently in previous games we may have gained a couple of vital points. Very sad day again.
SecretPro Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Just can't understand why people still try to make excuses for him support him. Honestly, at times when I look at his line ups and watch our boys go about trying to play to his inept tactics , I think he is trying to get us relegated. Crazy I know, but it baffles me how wrong he gets things. Surely he must have doubt's about his own ability by now. I hate to say this but I do not think I have ever seen such a bad job by a manager in the Premiership. I used to like the guy. Thought he did a wonderful job last season. But this one, just think he is the ruin of us. IMO had we set up differently in previous games we may have gained a couple of vital points. Very sad day again. I can find myself agreeable to this sentiment.
Bettsj2 Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Sorry but when you are bottom of the league you have to play your best team to compete. We cannot make excuses week and week out waiting to play the weaker teams around us hoping for survival. They too are doing the same. Unless we get a few results elsewhere we will still find ourselves bottom come that time and could then be dead, buried and with no confidence. We could end up being their road to safety. I do not understand why Pearson does not pick his best team. King and Drinky nice lads but completely over run today. Again Vardy running around like an headless chicken. For those that still have faith in Pearson, do you not see the urgency. We are obviously stuck with him now for the remainder of the season. I just hope a miracle will happen and he suddenly starts to not go with his hunches and treats every game like it is a cup final game Good post. I'm dreading next Saturday at 2pm when the teams are announced. There's kind of an inevitability that the lacklustre Vardy will play and the impressive Albrighton will be on the bench or not even in the squad. It's becoming beyond odd that Pearson still does the things he does and even odder that some still defend him so vehemently.
inckley fox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 A) hamer was poor vs stoke and Schwarzer is the better keeper anyway b) de laet has looked fine at lb earlier in the season, and the alternative is konchesky C) were there other options, James suspended and Hammond + cambiasso just returning from injury D) actually a fair point E) Albrighton isn't just on there for crosses, and ulloa didn't really threaten F) so you'd rather stick with players not playing well because of how much they cost? G) agreed, don't know what knocks has done wrong. A) He'd been part of a defence which, previously one of the worst in the league, had conceded one goal from open play in four matches. B) There's also Schlupp, which allows you to play two from Knockaert, Mahrez, Albrighton. C) Cambiasso had been on the bench for the previous game. If he'd needed match fitness then that might have been the moment. Plus we're at the other end of a transfer window in which we've signed two players and spent 9m! D) I suspect this was a case of Pearson failing to entirely forget what happened in our previous game against Man U. Whatever, it was a dreadful decision, and it's all very well him constantly reminding people that they don't have a clue what's going on 'because they're not involved in football', but it was a clear error which almost every last Leicester fan would have managed not to make. And not for the first time this year. E) No, I agree, but it would be good to give the pair of them a chance to build an understanding F) The fact that they're worth 17m tells you that, if they have supply, they'll score. We've seen this already with Ulloa. And over the past couple of PL games our midfield have given them nothing. G) It would be a very brave move if he was planning on letting him go over the next couple of days, especially when Vardy is getting the nod ahead of him and is clearly a great deal worse.
tickler28 Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Good post. I'm dreading next Saturday at 2pm when the teams are announced. There's kind of an inevitability that the lacklustre Vardy will play and the impressive Albrighton will be on the bench or not even in the squad. It's becoming beyond odd that Pearson still does the things he does and even odder that some still defend him so vehemently. Your spot on. His defenders mainly Mark W and MC Prussian used to point to individual errors costing us football matches. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Nigel Pearson is the reason were losing matches now.
tickler28 Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 To add to my previous post....even individual errors could have been stopped if selection were better back along and we had counteracted errors with enough goals to win football matches
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