Dan Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 It feels more far-fetched the more time passes by - clinging on to one particular sentence in order to justify your dislike for one person truly shows how little the whole argumentation against the manager is thought through. This isn't about the manager as a professional, it's entirely personal. Always has been, always will be. But desperate times require desperate measures, so they say. Totally agree. Not defending what he said but it makes me laugh how many people are pretending to be offended by it. One of those things that they wouldn't be remotely bothered about if it was someone else. Just a desperate stick to beat him with.
RumbleFox Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Seems pointless to compare them really. O'Neill clearly has a better record of success so far and was an absolute legend. I loved him, we all loved him. I think of him now and get that funny feeling in my tiny nob. Pearson has not done anything yet to be placed in quite the same league but I reckon it is pretty much impossible to try and argue that Pearson is not the best manager since MON. And that, despite our current poor league position, he saved our club from its lowest ebb. I know sentiment should not have a role in football but I say he has earned the chance to be given the time to see if maybe one day he might be able to be spoken of in the same glowing terms as MON. I think he might just do it. I think he might just keep us up and go on to better things next season. I have faith in him. But to compare is just a bit silly really. Those saying MON was better are clearly right but are being to obtuse about it (I was there I remember it you young nobbers know nothing) whilst those supporting Pearson are digging a hole and probably wishing they could back down but wanna act like a proper man 'n' that and hold their ground. MON is clearly the better so far but I feel comfortable being able to say that whilst having confidence in Pearson. I love the big grey, mammonth c@cked silver back and hope he remains with us for many years. Up the foxes!! Rumble X
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Seems pointless to compare them really. O'Neill clearly has a better record of success so far and was an absolute legend. I loved him, we all loved him. I think of him now and get that funny feeling in my tiny nob. Pearson has not done anything yet to be placed in quite the same league but I would argue it is pretty much impossible to try and argue that Pearson is not the best manager since MON. And that, despite our current poor league position, saved our club from its lowest ebb. I know sentiment should not have a role in football but I say he has earned the chance to be given the time to see if maybe one day he might be able to be spoken of in the same glowing terms as MON. I think he might just do it. I think he might just keep us up and go on to better things next season. I have faith in him. But to compare is just a bit silly really. Those saying MON was better are clearly right but are being to obtuse about it (I was there I remember it you young nobbers know nothing) whilst those supporting Pearson are digging a hole and probably wishing they could back down but wanna act like a proper man 'n' that and hold their ground. MON is clearly the better so far but I feel comfortable being able to say that whilst having confidence in pearson. I love the big grey, mammonthes c@cked silver back and hope he remains with us for many years. Up the foxes!! Rumble X I agree that Pearson is the best since MON. No doubt about that. But as of yet, nowhere near as talented or successful. Relatively speaking.
Dan Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Football's changed a hell of a lot since MON was here. I'm not claiming at all that Pearson is better but it's completely different nowadays.
RumbleFox Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Why does it have to be either or? This site makes me smile sometimes. What have we become? Seems pointless to compare them really. O'Neill clearly has a better record of success so far and was an absolute legend. I loved him, we all loved him. I think of him now and get that funny feeling in my tiny nob. Pearson has not done anything yet to be placed in quite the same league but I reckon it is pretty much impossible to try and argue that Pearson is not the best manager since MON. And that, despite our current poor league position, he saved our club from its lowest ebb. I know sentiment should not have a role in football but I say he has earned the chance to be given the time to see if maybe one day he might be able to be spoken of in the same glowing terms as MON. I think he might just do it. I think he might just keep us up and go on to better things next season. I have faith in him. But to compare is just a bit silly really. Those saying MON was better are clearly right but are being to obtuse about it (I was there I remember it you young nobbers know nothing) whilst those supporting Pearson are digging a hole and probably wishing they could back down but wanna act like a proper man 'n' that and hold their ground. MON is clearly the better so far but I feel comfortable being able to say that whilst having confidence in Pearson. I love the big grey, mammonth c@cked silver back and hope he remains with us for many years. Up the foxes!! Rumble X Wow this guy talks sense. Sounds attractive too!
yorkie1999 Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Don't know what the big deal is about telling someone to fvck off and die, it used to be a common saying in the 80's, a period of time where a lot of football fans seem to want to return to.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Football's changed a hell of a lot since MON was here. I'm not claiming at all that Pearson is better but it's completely different nowadays. I think that's simply just a too simplistic argument. Players are still players, tactics are still tactics and scouting is still scouting. Pitches are better across the board now, and were shitter across the board back then. It's all relative. I remember the first million pound player back then in Francis. Similar to a thirty million pound player now. MON (and his back room team) were BETTER.. Relatively speaking.
Corky Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 No one has said Pearson is better than O'Neill. ADK pointed out that O'Neill took a while to get going, clearly shown by 3 wins in his first 17 games (not unlike a run two years ago) and then he managed to get it together and be successful. Just that the wider scrutiny was not as great. There would've been people questioning O'Neill after every game on here, and even with our survival not secure with two matches to play. I've no doubt some would want him out, similarly if Pearson keeps us up and wins the FA Cup- he still won't be universally loved. O'Neill was fantastic but made mistakes and learned from them, hopefully Pearson will do the same.
RumbleFox Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 I bet Pearson's girth is at least as big s MON's full on length though. AMIRITE lads? X
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 No one has said Pearson is better than O'Neill. ADK pointed out that O'Neill took a while to get going, clearly shown by 3 wins in his first 17 games (not unlike a run two years ago) and then he managed to get it together and be successful. Just that the wider scrutiny was not as great. There would've been people questioning O'Neill after every game on here, and even with our survival not secure with two matches to play. I've no doubt some would want him out, similarly if Pearson keeps us up and wins the FA Cup- he still won't be universally loved. O'Neill was fantastic but made mistakes and learned from them, hopefully Pearson will do the same. Spot on. And even if Pearson won the Champions League there'd be some saying it was all down to his assistants Shaky and Walsh and that Pearson should be sacked because "he won't be able to repeat it"
Eddy Kellys Heroes Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Some people think Ebola is Pearsons fault..........but we all know it's the Zionists
inckley fox Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 No one has said Pearson is better than O'Neill. ADK pointed out that O'Neill took a while to get going, clearly shown by 3 wins in his first 17 games (not unlike a run two years ago) and then he managed to get it together and be successful. Just that the wider scrutiny was not as great. There would've been people questioning O'Neill after every game on here, and even with our survival not secure with two matches to play. I've no doubt some would want him out, similarly if Pearson keeps us up and wins the FA Cup- he still won't be universally loved. O'Neill was fantastic but made mistakes and learned from them, hopefully Pearson will do the same. No, when it was pointed out that O'Neill was more successful than Pearson he responded 'was he?' So that was sort of suggesting that Pearson might have been more successful. And his argument centred on how O'Neill did in his first year in the PL, suggesting that it was comparable with how Pearson has got on. And it's not. We've established that it was equally hard, if not more so, for a newly promoted side to stay up in 1996 compared to 2014/15. So we can't use that argument. And if we fall back on the 'but O'Neill isn't as good a manager as Pearson now' argument, which is very debatable anyway, then we'd have to conclude that Pearson was also a better manager than Clough, Shankly and Paisley who were also different managers for a different era. As Col says, it always has to be relative. So we're not the ones suddenly piping up with 'O'Neill was way better than Pearson', it's a response to what someone else has said. Take Grewks for instance, with his 'this is one of our youngest and best sides ever'. It isn't. The average age of most of our line-ups over the past twelve months has been older or equal to what it was for most of O'Neill's first year in the PL. And 'best'? Well that's laughable. Or, if you like, take Grewks saying repeatedly that Pearson has had more of an impact on the club than O'Neill. Can any sane person seriously equate a manager taking over a club on two separate occasions, on both of which they were hot favourites to go up, and taking them up twice (at the third attempt, second time round, and with very generous funding), then struggling - with a manager who took us up instantly and led us to four consecutive top half finishes, two European forays, two domestic trophies and another final while very nearly breaking even on spending? I know which sounds like the bigger impact to me, even if Pearson's achievements are worthy of considerable praise. So the idea that a bunch of posters stuck in the past suddenly burst out of the woodwork, hysterically comparing Pearson to someone who probably wasn't as good as him anyway, is so far off the mark it's incredible. I'm happy to point out where people who favourably compare Pearson to O'Neill are wrong, and I think it's reasonable for our fans to look at what we did right the last time we were promoted, and haven't done so well this time, but if you want to hold Pearson up as an icon - and I think it's not entirely silly if you do - then it might be best laying off the suggestions that he was better than our best ever manager.
Webbo Posted 22 January 2015 Posted 22 January 2015 Why does it have to be either or? This site makes me smile sometimes. What have we become? Wow this guy talks sense. Sounds attractive too! I've heard he's a n ugly bastard.
ScouseFox Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 as an aside i have finally found a plus if we do go down. we can sing e i e i e i o again. that's what has been missing this season imo
Deucalion Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I doubt Pearson will be sacked after being given the transfer window. If it was going to happen, it would've happened around Christmas, so we might as well get behind the team until the end of the season.
Webbo Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I doubt Pearson will be sacked after being given the transfer window. If it was going to happen, it would've happened around Christmas, so we might as well get behind the team until the end of the season. I think you're right.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go.
Clever Fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. Totally agree. That's the part I cannot understand why he won't play wingers and why he didn't target their mobile players. It was clear before the game that Di Maria, Blynd and Rooney where going to have a big influence and yet he never targeted them. Not that their easy players to stop anyway but at least you set up to do just that. As we were never going to be good enough to take the game to them.
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