inckley fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. How could you defend him? I have no idea how you can defend - Dropping a goalkeeper who has been part of a solid defence for the past 4 or 5 league games for your 42 year old pal - Playing a guy who wasn't good enough at RB at LB - Playing what has consistently been your worst CM pairing this season - Playing Vardy on the wing and leaving your best winger over recent games, Albrighton, out - Bringing him on and taking the guy you signed to nod in his crosses off (again), who is also by far and away your top scorer - Bringing off 17m of attacking talent when you need a goal, having played one of them way too deep, and after neither of them had a half-chance to get on the scoresheet - Dropping Knockaert after a couple of decent performances You could argue over anything else, but you'd be insane to debate these points. Just like you'd be insane to do anything other than blame the manager's decision to drop his best winger and leave 17m of attacking talent on the bench at home to Stoke, then go on to fail to score, and lose. Pearson's decisions have been mind-blowingly weird this season. I've never wanted him sacked, but he has the lion's share of the blame for us being as crap as we have this season.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 How could you defend him? I have no idea how you can defend - Dropping a goalkeeper who has been part of a solid defence for the past 4 or 5 league games for your 42 year old pal - Playing a guy who wasn't good enough at RB at LB - Playing what has consistently been your worst CM pairing this season - Playing Vardy on the wing and leaving your best winger over recent games, Albrighton, out - Bringing him on and taking the guy you signed to nod in his crosses off (again), who is also by far and away your top scorer - Bringing off 17m of attacking talent when you need a goal, having played one of them way too deep, and after neither of them had a half-chance to get on the scoresheet - Dropping Knockaert after a couple of decent performances You could argue over anything else, but you'd be insane to debate these points. Just like you'd be insane to do anything other than blame the manager's decision to drop his best winger and leave 17m of attacking talent on the bench at home to Stoke, then go on to fail to score, and lose. Pearson's decisions have been mind-blowingly weird this season. I've never wanted him sacked, but he has the lion's share of the blame for us being as crap as we have this season. About sums it up... It's interesting that so many people put in the caveat of 'I never wanted to see Pearson sacked' or 'I'll get slaughtered for saying this' or ' he's still the best man for the job' etc (add your own defensive statement), when actually, if you really think about it, an awful lot of his selections and decisions that season have confused most of us, at least at times. Today being no exception. Basically, his team selections today gave us just about zero hope of coming away from that game with anything. That's bad management. No excuses, that's poor today.
smudgerfox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I've always defended Nigel if only because his critics are so abusive and disrespectful of someone who is certainly one of our best managers ever. His record of course , is not anything like as good as MON , but he is certainly better thank anyone else since Jimmy Bloomfield in the 70s who, incidentally as hounded out by people who thought he wasn't good enough. And we must take account of when NFP took over the club - after administration, League One, we were not a pretty sight. Many at that time were predicting terminal decline for the club. But NFP is making a step up this season and it shows. You cannot play one of the best clubs in the country away with a right footed left back who himself is adjusting to play at a new level. The glaring fact that we do not have a Premiership standard left back has not been addressed and it should have been. When Konchesky last played in the Prem he became a national joke - why would he do any better this time? To play our two weakest centre mids in a. 4 4 2 was reckless. If that's all you've got add a third just to make sure we're not outnumbered and outplayed. Don't skew the formation to accommodate the non scoring Vardy play a winger who ca provide the service Ulloa who does score, thrives on. And the tactics surely must to stay in the game as long as possible - let the crowd get on their backs and hope you can nick one. A narrow defeat isn't the end of the world. Instead we play wide open as though we're Real Madrid and end up having to be pleased we didn't get thrashed. It's catastrophic planning on a grand scale - just as the feeble set piece record is. Pulls and Pardew and even Dyche and Bruce aren't going to make mistakes like that. And just what has Hamer done wrong?
weller54 Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. Yer, the starting eleven were set up to lose the game.. Brilliant Pearson!!!
Webbo Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Maybe Nige was saving some players for next weeks must win game?
Clever Fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 How could you defend him? I have no idea how you can defend - Dropping a goalkeeper who has been part of a solid defence for the past 4 or 5 league games for your 42 year old pal - Playing a guy who wasn't good enough at RB at LB - Playing what has consistently been your worst CM pairing this season - Playing Vardy on the wing and leaving your best winger over recent games, Albrighton, out - Bringing him on and taking the guy you signed to nod in his crosses off (again), who is also by far and away your top scorer - Bringing off 17m of attacking talent when you need a goal, having played one of them way too deep, and after neither of them had a half-chance to get on the scoresheet - Dropping Knockaert after a couple of decent performances You could argue over anything else, but you'd be insane to debate these points. Just like you'd be insane to do anything other than blame the manager's decision to drop his best winger and leave 17m of attacking talent on the bench at home to Stoke, then go on to fail to score, and lose. Pearson's decisions have been mind-blowingly weird this season. I've never wanted him sacked, but he has the lion's share of the blame for us being as crap as we have this season. I cannot disagree with anything you say. Mind Baffling performance from Pearson today.
inckley fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 About sums it up... It's interesting that so many people put in the caveat of 'I never wanted to see Pearson sacked' or 'I'll get slaughtered for saying this' or ' he's still the best man for the job' etc (add your own defensive statement), when actually, if you really think about it, an awful lot of his selections and decisions that season have confused most of us, at least at times. Today being no exception. Basically, his team selections today gave us just about zero hope of coming away from that game with anything. That's bad management. No excuses, that's poor today. What we're really saying, with the benefit of hindsight, is that we'd most probably have been better off with a different manager in charge this season. That's how I feel, even though at no specific moment - now included - have I wanted him gone. Right now I wish he had, a long time ago. It just doesn't feel like the moment. It's hard sometimes to expect you haven't been wrong and - I'm proof of this - very easy to keep on saying the same thing in the hope that it eventually turns out to be true!
Deucalion Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I see the game in a similar way to how Pearson said he saw it in a post-match interview. Basically, the game turned on Man U's offside goal midway through the first half. Before that, we were containing them pretty well and having the odd moment of attacking possession from which the moment of magic which could have won us the game might have come from. Does anyone really expect us to go to Old Trafford and dominate?
steveherbe Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I'm edging closer to the Pearson out camp, I dont want to, but todays baffling team selection does him no favours. If bloody Vardy starts next week I may just go back to the Swan and Ruhes rather than watch us play with 10 men - or if Morgan starts, 9 - or if Drinkwater starts, 8. Too many passengers, not enough Wasyls!!
Harry - LCFC Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 How could you defend him? I have no idea how you can defend - Dropping a goalkeeper who has been part of a solid defence for the past 4 or 5 league games for your 42 year old pal - Playing a guy who wasn't good enough at RB at LB - Playing what has consistently been your worst CM pairing this season - Playing Vardy on the wing and leaving your best winger over recent games, Albrighton, out - Bringing him on and taking the guy you signed to nod in his crosses off (again), who is also by far and away your top scorer - Bringing off 17m of attacking talent when you need a goal, having played one of them way too deep, and after neither of them had a half-chance to get on the scoresheet - Dropping Knockaert after a couple of decent performances You could argue over anything else, but you'd be insane to debate these points. Just like you'd be insane to do anything other than blame the manager's decision to drop his best winger and leave 17m of attacking talent on the bench at home to Stoke, then go on to fail to score, and lose. Pearson's decisions have been mind-blowingly weird this season. I've never wanted him sacked, but he has the lion's share of the blame for us being as crap as we have this season. You wouldn't be 'insane' to debate these two. Kramaric had a poor game (he'd done nothing actually) and I had no issue with him coming off. Albrighton and Schlupp have looked good, nothing too outrageous that I can see in the manager to playing them ahead of him. I'm also not too appalled by De Laet starting ahead of Konchesky. He hadn't done too bad there before today although I'd still have gone with our usualy LB. The rest I agree with. I think he made a series of incorrect decisions and I hold him responsible for our defeat more than anyone else.
Onikage82 Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Pearson is the man, once he gets his reinforcements, watch he'll take us the heights we've not seen in a long time. Just need to survive this year, we will grow so much if we do.... patience. If we go down, I wouldn't be bothered, this man will come back stronger.
Deucalion Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I'm edging closer to the Pearson out camp, I dont want to, but todays baffling team selection does him no favours. If bloody Vardy starts next week I may just go back to the Swan and Ruhes rather than watch us play with 10 men - or if Morgan starts, 9 - or if Drinkwater starts, 8. Too many passengers, not enough Wasyls!! It's not worth stressing yourself whether Pearson is manager or not as you have no control over it. I just suspect that the people who do have control over it have no intention of sacking him. And possibly the are right to do so, who knows? Even if we had different owners who were more likely to pull the trigger, now would be a terrible time to do it. First of all, he has lost by two goals at Old Trafford, it's hardly crisis time is it? Also, our form has picked up from that terrible run and before today, we had won 4 out of 6 games in all competitions. Lastly, Pearson has signed two players and has another on the way in. Pearson should have time to get the best out of the players he has brought into the club. If our form does not remain better, than with around 8-10 games left might be the time for a change.
Mark_w Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. You never try to defend Pearson so I don't see how that's at all noteworthy. If we're going to look at the situation objectively, here's how the managers of sides in the bottom six have got on at Old Trafford this season... Manchester United 3-0 Hull Manchester United 4-0 QPR Manchester United 3-1 Leicester Burnley, Villa, West Brom haven't played there yet. But clearly, setting up a relegation threatened side to get something at Old Trafford isn't as easy as perhaps some people are making it out to be. But whatever let's crucify him for making one change from the team that beat a strong Tottenham side at White Heart Lane. Obviously losing by two goals at Old Trafford and getting three points from the two games against Man United is atrocious for a side that cost a minute fraction of the price of Manchester United. I think you're right we were never likely to get anything from that game, but I don't think it'd have been at all different if we put Albrighton on the right or didn't take Kramaric off, or if Nigel Pearson did anything different at all really. United are ****ing miles ahead of us, and at Old Trafford, for a side like ours, you're basically relying on them having an off day if you're going to look like getting anything. And after we beat them 5-3 last time out, let's face it, they weren't going to have an off day.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. I agree Col
StanSP Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. I think our formation and personnel were definitely to set up to have a go!! Kramaric, Vardy, Schlupp, Ulloa? When Kramaric and Ulloa didn't start vs Stoke we all cried out for our most expensive purchases to start and today they did and still Nige can't win? I don't see how playing 4 attacking players like those can be seen as set up not to have a go. On the day Man Utd were better than us tactically and we were never in the game but I doubt Pearson planned for the players to put in a dire performance.
Corky Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today. Both in tactics and starting 11. We were NEVER going to even draw that game today. It was like men v boys. Man u away was always gonna be difficult, but I thought we'd at least set up to have a go. So who would we have put in? Cambiasso, who you don't rate? Hammond, who plenty of our supporters wondered why we actually signed him? He should've played Albrighton instead of Vardy. Schwarzer or Hamer- hardly any difference. Strongest CB pairing. He didn't pick the appalling Konchesky and the proven failure Nugent. He played our top scorer and our record signing. He made two selections that could be considered odd, one slightly less given the grief Konchesky has received.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Nige is the type of bloke who would let you have the last on offer pack of Stella at the shops and if you don't want that at the helm of your football club then I don't know what you dickbags want.
Monsell1976 Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 He isn't getting sacked, even though his poor results, tactics and performances should have seen him gone, in my opinion. There is no point in reopening this thread, as he is staying, and just opens up old arguments for and against, and if we are not careful this could spill over onto the terraces.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I think our formation and personnel were definitely to set up to have a go!! Kramaric, Vardy, Schlupp, Ulloa? When Kramaric and Ulloa didn't start vs Stoke we all cried out for our most expensive purchases to start and today they did and still Nige can't win? I don't see how playing 4 attacking players like those can be seen as set up not to have a go. On the day Man Utd were better than us tactically and we were never in the game but I doubt Pearson planned for the players to put in a dire performance. No, our formation was suicidal. There is setting up to 'have a go', then there's setting up to just fail. We needed some sort of game plan. Personally, I'd have stuck an extra man in midfield, probably Cambiasso, then played with Schlupp out wide left and Albrighton out wide right. I'd have started with Ulloa, tried to get the ball out to the flanks for Schlupp and Albrighton to run at the full backs and get crosses in. If the crosses were cleared, the extra body in midfield could have battled to win the second ball. What was the game plan today? Playing away at Man Utd, with a midfield two of King and Drinkwater is crazy stuff. And indefensible I think. Setting up to 'have a go' meant having a plan which would give us just a sniff of a chance at Old Trafford. As it was, it was over after forty minutes.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 You never try to defend Pearson so I don't see how that's at all noteworthy. If we're going to look at the situation objectively, here's how the managers of sides in the bottom six have got on at Old Trafford this season... Manchester United 3-0 Hull Manchester United 4-0 QPR Manchester United 3-1 Leicester Burnley, Villa, West Brom haven't played there yet. But clearly, setting up a relegation threatened side to get something at Old Trafford isn't as easy as perhaps some people are making it out to be. But whatever let's crucify him for making one change from the team that beat a strong Tottenham side at White Heart Lane. Obviously losing by two goals at Old Trafford and getting three points from the two games against Man United is atrocious for a side that cost a minute fraction of the price of Manchester United. I think you're right we were never likely to get anything from that game, but I don't think it'd have been at all different if we put Albrighton on the right or didn't take Kramaric off, or if Nigel Pearson did anything different at all really. United are ****ing miles ahead of us, and at Old Trafford, for a side like ours, you're basically relying on them having an off day if you're going to look like getting anything. And after we beat them 5-3 last time out, let's face it, they weren't going to have an off day. I've often defended Pearson. Turn it on its head..you never try to do anything other than defend him. I've said it before, your preoccupation with not even considering his weaknesses, whilst knocking anyone who does, verges on the slightly odd.
Mark_w Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I've often defended Pearson. Turn it on its head..you never try to do anything other than defend him. I've said it before, your preoccupation with not even considering his weaknesses, whilst knocking anyone who does, verges on the slightly odd. I always defend his position as manager because my opinion on the matter has never changed. I don't bother defending his tactical decisions (Swansea for example) when I think he's got something clearly wrong. You always don't defend Pearson when we lose. So saying 'I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today' is about as pointless as me saying 'I'm finding it very easy to defend Pearson today' after we've won. It's just not worth saying because it's bloody obvious.
Fox Ulike Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 Nige is the type of bloke who would let you have the last on offer pack of Stella at the shops and if you don't want that at the helm of your football club then I don't know what you dickbags want. Well try telling Ben Hamer that right now. Dropped for no real reason... Just to make way for a 42 year old who's played 4 league games in two seasons. If i were Ben I'd be feeling pretty hard done to, and not too convinced about Nige's man management skills. Ditto Albrighton. I Wonder what he thinks about watching Jamie Vardy huffing and puffing on the wing at Old Trafford.
StanSP Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 No, our formation was suicidal. There is setting up to 'have a go', then there's setting up to just fail. We needed some sort of game plan. Personally, I'd have stuck an extra man in midfield, probably Cambiasso, then played with Schlupp out wide left and Albrighton out wide right. I'd have started with Ulloa, tried to get the ball out to the flanks for Schlupp and Albrighton to run at the full backs and get crosses in. If the crosses were cleared, the extra body in midfield could have battled to win the second ball. What was the game plan today? Playing away at Man Utd, with a midfield two of King and Drinkwater is crazy stuff. And indefensible I think. Setting up to 'have a go' meant having a plan which would give us just a sniff of a chance at Old Trafford. As it was, it was over after forty minutes. Would you have had a go at Pearson for not starting Kramaric, our most expensive signing? I know there was uproar after Stoke for not starting him so don't get me wrong and I apologise if you weren't one of them. The key failure today was not applying pressure on their defence/wing-backs and Daley Blind. We gave them too much respect and perhaps Pearson should take some blame for that for maybe not telling the players to get stuck in a bit more from the start. They had unbelievable amounts of time on the ball from the back to pick their desired pass. I agree starting Vardy on the wing was a non-entity from the beginning.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 I always defend his position as manager because my opinion on the matter has never changed. I don't bother defending his tactical decisions (Swansea for example) when I think he's got something clearly wrong. You always don't defend Pearson when we lose. So saying 'I find it very difficult to defend Pearson today' is about as pointless as me saying 'I'm finding it very easy to defend Pearson today' after we've won. It's just not worth saying because it's bloody obvious. So what? At least I try to give an argument. You're presence on the forum is pointless. You always say the same things, and never even try to discuss. It is odd. It's like Nige is your dad.
tickler28 Posted 31 January 2015 Posted 31 January 2015 May as well close this thread now. I said get rid in early November... way to late now to bother...beds been made and we have to lie in it like it or not. I've stopped thinking about it but feel everything I ever said that was strongly refuted by certain members of Foxestalk has been proven true time and time again. People keep saying give him time...a chance...he's learning. For all I've witnessed he's learnt nothing and has no tactical awareness nor ability to pick the correct team. Inept doesn't even cover it but hey what can we do....support Leicester till I die...up the foxes!!
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