sylofox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Shock manager drops a ballock. Rather he did it yesterday in a game we would have been lucky to get anything from. Why people are judging him on yesterday I don't know. I think people should calm down and wait till after palace and judge him on a winable game. Not on something dreams are made of.
inckley fox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Shock manager drops a ballock. Rather he did it yesterday in a game we would have been lucky to get anything from. Why people are judging him on yesterday I don't know. I think people should calm down and wait till after palace and judge him on a winable game. Not on something dreams are made of. I imagine they are judging him on the other 22 games too. We are bottom after all, and we did lose to Stoke in our game before this one. It's not as if criticism is entirely out of context.
sylofox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 I imagine they are judging him on the other 22 games too. We are bottom after all, and we did lose to Stoke in our game before this one. It's not as if criticism is entirely out of context. We also beat a good spurs team away and have a winable game coming up.
fleckneymike Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 We also beat a good spurs team away and have a winable game coming up. We also beat a good Spurs team's reserves. Our record against those around us is pretty poor Burnley 1pt QPR 0pt Villa 3pt WBA 0pt Palace 0pt Sunderland 1pt We aren't good enough to pick and choose when we win
sylofox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Some people seem to be assuming that if we'd set up differently we'd have won yesterday, against world class players, at home. Sometimes you just have to admit that the better team won. Or cos we got a freak result at home we were going to do it away. We have still not lost by more than 2 goals. Be nice if someone could put up how many games we lost by 3 or more in our last to prem seasons.
davieG Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Or cos we got a freak result at home we were going to do it away. We have still not lost by more than 2 goals. Be nice if someone could put up how many games we lost by 3 or more in our last to prem seasons. http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/95098-premier-league-201415-stuff-it-in-here/?p=3289389
dayday Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Some people seem to be assuming that if we'd set up differently we'd have won yesterday, against world class players, at home. Sometimes you just have to admit that the better team won. I'm sick of hearing this,what happened to having a go... Yes they are a better side we all know that,but ffs let's them walk through us at will
AKCJ Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 I'm sick of hearing this,what happened to having a go... Yes they are a better side we all know that,but ffs let's them walk through us at will Who says we've let them do it. We've obviously not set up to lose the game but their quality has shone through. Nigel was tactically outshone by someone who has won the Bundesliga, La Liga and the Champions League. How awful of him.
dayday Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Who says we've let them do it. We've obviously not set up to lose the game but their quality has shone through. Nigel was tactically outshone by someone who has won the Bundesliga, La Liga and the Champions League. How awful of him. So it's stage fright now,no he was not tactically outdone,he never put the right team out in the first place for this to happen !!!
shailen Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 We also beat a good Spurs team's reserves. Our record against those around us is pretty poor Burnley 1pt QPR 0pt Villa 3pt WBA 0pt Palace 0pt Sunderland 1pt We aren't good enough to pick and choose when we win Exactly this. To even suggest we rested players for the United game where we planned to be in better shape for the Palace game is shocking. Simply, Pearson got the team selection wrong, or the players that played did not perform. As simple as that.
sylofox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/95098-premier-league-201415-stuff-it-in-here/?p=3289389 Had seen that and says a lot about the teams around us. Also says if we tighten up a little and can score a few more we should be ok. it also misses out sotton 8 sunderland 0 As bad as we have been that is not on our record.
inckley fox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Who says we've let them do it. We've obviously not set up to lose the game but their quality has shone through. Nigel was tactically outshone by someone who has won the Bundesliga, La Liga and the Champions League. How awful of him. It was a dismal, dispirited performance by a side who never matched their opponents for effort and energy, let alone quality. There's no point in defending that on the grounds that you'd expect us to lose anyway, because right now you'd also expect us to be relegated, and - on a game-by-game basis - expect us to lose to pretty much every other side that we come up against, bar 3 or 4. We can't afford to not compete in certain games, just because they have more quality than us, and their manager's won more stuff. If we don't defy expectations at some point, we'll go down. And yes, that'd be pretty awful.
shailen Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 So it's stage fright now,no he was not tactically outdone,he never put the right team out in the first place for this to happen !!! How do you know what the correct team was? Do you see them everyday. I guarantee you if we won that team would have been the correct team.
dayday Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 How do you know what the correct team was? Do you see them everyday. I guarantee you if we won that team would have been the correct team. It's called square pegs in round holes
AKCJ Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 So it's stage fright now,no he was not tactically outdone,he never put the right team out in the first place for this to happen !!! Oh get your head out of your arse ffs. Next week is a big game, yesterday's was not.
AKCJ Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 So it's stage fright now,no he was not tactically outdone,he never put the right team out in the first place for this to happen !!! Oh yeah, silly me. We'd have won 8-0 if Marc Albrighton played wouldn't we?
inckley fox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 How do you know what the correct team was? Do you see them everyday. I guarantee you if we won that team would have been the correct team. We lost, though. So that's an immense 'if'. And one of those guys who we thought shouldn't have been in the team gave away a goal (the guy he was replacing had only conceded one in open play in four games), and two of the guys who most people felt should have been in the team came on and conspired between them to set up our only goal. That's about as close as you'll ever get to evidence that a manager's got his team selection wrong.
dayday Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Oh get your head out of your arse ffs. Next week is a big game, yesterday's was not. Of course yesterday was a wave a white flag game,what a cock
sylofox Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 So it's stage fright now,no he was not tactically outdone,he never put the right team out in the first place for this to happen !!! I think his big mistake was Vardy and not Albrighton. Vardy seems a favourite and most on here had him as a cert at the start of the season I did not. Yet I am not slagging him like them that laughed at me when I said he was not good enough for a regular start. Step up now Bert and tell me he is our number one forward? Not anti Nige but do wonder why he persists with some players.
AKCJ Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Of course yesterday was a wave a white flag game,what a cock In comparison to next week, yes it was. If we go down it'll be because we haven't won enough home games against the sides in and around me. Not because we didn't 'have a go' away at Old Trafford. Get a grip you clown.
shailen Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 It was a dismal, dispirited performance by a side who never matched their opponents for effort and energy, let alone quality. There's no point in defending that on the grounds that you'd expect us to lose anyway, because right now you'd also expect us to be relegated, and - on a game-by-game basis - expect us to lose to pretty much every other side that we come up against, bar 3 or 4. We can't afford to not compete in certain games, just because they have more quality than us, and their manager's won more stuff. If we don't defy expectations at some point, we'll go down. And yes, that'd be pretty awful. We never go out to not compete in games. That would be classed as match fixing. Sometimes a team can have a bad day, United played well first half yesterday, their quality won them the game. if you're suggesting we rested players for the 'more important' Palace game, why would we do that. It's a week away, we don't have any cup matches or European games before that. I agree that we need to get a few results that defy the odds, but it's not a case of being resigned to defeat if we don't.
dayday Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Oh yeah, silly me. We'd have won 8-0 if Marc Albrighton played wouldn't we? If you know anything about football,then you would have known Albrighton is a out and out winger and Vardy is a centre forward,there is a massive difference,it's not me being clever,it's common sense. So rather coming down on your high horse,give me some logic in your thinking.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Some people seem to be assuming that if we'd set up differently we'd have won yesterday, against world class players, at home. Sometimes you just have to admit that the better team won. This is the case, despite the strange selection.
shailen Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 We lost, though. So that's an immense 'if'. And one of those guys who we thought shouldn't have been in the team gave away a goal (the guy he was replacing had only conceded one in open play in four games), and two of the guys who most people felt should have been in the team came on and conspired between them to set up our only goal. That's about as close as you'll ever get to evidence that a manager's got his team selection wrong. I agree that the changes were odd. Absolutely. But maybe Pearson saw something we didn't in training from those players. For me, Nugent should start every game. But you have to trust the manager is putting his best team week in week out. As for the substitutions, United backed off by then, because as LVG said after he was scared of a repeat of the 5-3. So naturally we were going to be more of a threat going forward. I am not arguing he got his team selection wrong. I can see the logic in choosing Vardy as a psychological threat (although I do not agree) over Albrighton, and the fact that they may try limit his threat by doubling up on him, and others becoming more free to express themselves. Schwazer was another strange one, but he had a good debut, so why fix it if its not broken. Finally a good manager does not react too heavily to form. Gareth Bale had a torrid first season in the PL, and recently Aaron Ramsey struggled. Both managers stuck with them and look at the players they have become. Maybe Vardy fits the bill over the players he has from his attributes, not his form. 'Form is temporary, class is permanent' .
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