Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 July 2010 Posted 5 July 2010 Who's getting ahead of thmselves exactly? People are just optimistic about the future, I don't think anyone expects us to murder the league or anything. It's the style of football that people are expecting that's raising a few eyebrows, I think, not expectation about where we'll finish. The idea that we'll be playing adventurous, attractive football doesn't seem to be based on much. What he did at Swansea was solid, not spectacular, and it was hardly done with the flair people seem to be raving about and will adopt immediately.
davieG Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 Posted by foxache on Bentley's ......In perpective!Note a lot of Swans fans have been making reference to being bored by Swansea's tactics last season, (including the bloke who said his son took a book to read at matches). Swans' home form 2009-10 was: P23 W10 D10 L3 Scored 21, Conceded 12. Seems to confirm 'mogadon, football. Dig a bit deeper though and.... Swans' home stats 2009-10: Games 23 Goals 21. Goal Attempts 293 On Target 153 Off Target 140. 293 Goal attempts in 23 games, thats more than 12 every game, hardly the mark of a defence obsessed team, (and incidentally more than our own LCFC). Would suggest the actual problem for the lack of goals lay with the quality of the strike force, not the approach of the manager! Surely if our lot could create nearly 300 chances for Fryatt & co, you'd hope for a fairly decent goals total.....perhaps!!
Guest Bilo Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 Hang on, you've just pooh-poohed a post for being laden with opinions rather than solid facts, but then followed it up with a post laden with opinions rather than solid facts in your attempt to prove him wrong! Ah well, I don't actually have any facts about Sousa's time here yet, cos they don't exist. Whereas Swansea (the poster, not the club) had over a year of football to base facts on but chose to stick with conjecture based on not a small amount of bitterness. The best fact is that Swansea not only improved their league position over the one Martinez managed, but it was the club's highest for 27 years. Seems a bit daft therefore to say the manager who achieved that for you was gash unless you have something solid to back up, which he didn't. Still, pooh-poohed.
marbelladave Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 The baseless speculation in this thread is a hoot, people pushing their own likes and dislikes onto Sousa in an attempt to determine how we will play, and all this before the poor chap actually arrives... Personally I am rather excited about the (soon to be made) appointment, as some of you know, I have consistently voiced the opinion (for at least the last 12 months) that the weakest part of Pearson's management style was his tactics and matchday skills. I thought he often sent out teams that were poorly set up and tactically inept, furthermore we were overcautious and rarely able to change a game once the pattern was set. I made these points consistently throughout last season and was on occasion savaged for doing so but despite this, I still maintain that we got most of our results through a combination of determination, fitness and luck rather than superior play. I often suggested was that we needed a new coach, who could take charge on matchdays and set us up with some aggression and tactical ability, the nerve to try different things and change things around if things were not going well. Again a suggestion that did not get much support, but with Sousa's reputation of being rather more a coach than an English style manager we might well be about to find out whether I was right or talking out of my arse! So it would appear that you should be careful of what you wish for... Roll on August... :scarf:
Jimbo Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 The baseless speculation in this thread is a hoot, people pushing their own likes and dislikes onto Sousa in an attempt to determine how we will play, and all this before the poor chap actually arrives... Personally I am rather excited about the (soon to be made) appointment, as some of you know, I have consistently voiced the opinion (for at least the last 12 months) that the weakest part of Pearson's management style was his tactics and matchday skills. I thought he often sent out teams that were poorly set up and tactically inept, furthermore we were overcautious and rarely able to change a game once the pattern was set. I made these points consistently throughout last season and was on occasion savaged for doing so but despite this, I still maintain that we got most of our results through a combination of determination, fitness and luck rather than superior play. I often suggested was that we needed a new coach, who could take charge on matchdays and set us up with some aggression and tactical ability, the nerve to try different things and change things around if things were not going well. Again a suggestion that did not get much support, but with Sousa's reputation of being rather more a coach than an English style manager we might well be about to find out whether I was right or talking out of my arse! So it would appear that you should be careful of what you wish for... Roll on August... :scarf: If the Swansea fans are correct in what they say about Sousa, rather than just a little bitter, then one of Sousa's biggest downfalls is that he is very stubborn, more stubborn than Pearson. He won't change his game plan, he sticks to it, whether it's working or not (a bit like Capello!)
Daggers Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 The guy was being compared with José Mourinho earlier, is that really a fair comparison to make? As fair as saying that Finners & Vinnie Jones are twins
Goddard Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 As much as this Swansea geezer may be bitter, some of the replies from the foxes faithful is just laughable. To be fair, this guy hasn't really even said Sousa will fail, he's posted more of a slur on his character and coaching techniques. If you all think he is going to come to Leicester and it's going to be a fairytale season then fair enough, but in reality, the odds are most likely stacked against you. I appreciate the optimism but sometimes you have to take a step back. We could easily reach the end of September with no more than 5 points in what looks a tough run of games. Sousa is going to need time to settle in, but I have no doubt that if we are in that predicament at the end of September, a number of you will no doubt be piping up... Yet again.
marbelladave Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 If the Swansea fans are correct in what they say about Sousa, rather than just a little bitter, then one of Sousa's biggest downfalls is that he is very stubborn, more stubborn than Pearson. He won't change his game plan, he sticks to it, whether it's working or not (a bit like Capello!) This is exactly what I mean... We have had a huge range of views from Swansea fans, some of which flatly contradict what you say in your post. I could counter that some fans have suggested that he is quick to make changes when things are not going to plan, double substitutions at half time being an example. The information we have on Sousa as a manager is pretty thin on 'facts'. We 'know' that he guided Swansea to within a point (or was that a goal?) of a playoff spot and that he likes to play controlled, passing football. All that after taking over from the popular Martinez with the team in some disaray. Pretty good so far. Swansea's best finish in 20+ years, getting better! But what else do we really know? We are also told that he plays conservative, defensive football, yet the stats in DavieG's post suggest that his team makes a lot of chances, more than us in fact, hardly defensive... Having relied on the loan market significantly under Pearson, we are told that Sousa does not like this system preferring to bring through his own young players Good thing or bad... Do we even know if this was Sousa's policy or the Club's, again... I could go on about how I want him to develop a passing game with us, how I want him to play Gallagher as a central midfield play maker, how I want Hobbs and Morrison as our regular starting centerbacks and how I want to see N'Guessan deployed as a central striker. However these are my ideas and I simply do not have the faintest idea what our new manager will see when we get into full pre-season. As I said elsewhere, should be fun finding out...
CosbehFox Posted 6 July 2010 Posted 6 July 2010 It's the style of football that people are expecting that's raising a few eyebrows, I think, not expectation about where we'll finish. The idea that we'll be playing adventurous, attractive football doesn't seem to be based on much. What he did at Swansea was solid, not spectacular, and it was hardly done with the flair people seem to be raving about and will adopt immediately. Speaking to a couple of Swans who appeared more level-headed, it's nice passing before the half-way line and the wingers were a massive part of their attacking force. I was told by one of them before the game at the Liberty that if Dyer played well for them, the whole team seemed to and it was more than noticeable at the Liberty that afternoon. However, they nearly lost the win at the end being too clever with distributing the ball within the defence. We'll wait and see. My immediate thoughts are that he needs a decent coaching/scouting team around with a basis in British football and he's better than the other options mentioned. My disappointment lies that I think Sousa will need time to assess the squad etc. and we already appear a week behind everyone else in training with a lack of pre-season games coming too. That's not his fault though. However, someone in the mould of Keith Hill, Lee Clark, Paul Tisdale or Andy Scott would have needed similar time to get used to the workings of a bigger club but at least have a base knowledge of British football which would have produced useful at a time when we are not flushed with money. The biggest concern being Sousa needs time and Mandaric has never been a chairman to give time. With increases in ticket prices, the fanbase will sadly want some success to an extent.
Goddard Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 As much as this Swansea geezer may be bitter, some of the replies from the foxes faithful is just laughable. To be fair, this guy hasn't really even said Sousa will fail, he's posted more of a slur on his character and coaching techniques. If you all think he is going to come to Leicester and it's going to be a fairytale season then fair enough, but in reality, the odds are most likely stacked against you. I appreciate the optimism but sometimes you have to take a step back. We could easily reach the end of September with no more than 5 points in what looks a tough run of games. Sousa is going to need time to settle in, but I have no doubt that if we are in that predicament at the end of September, a number of you will no doubt be piping up... Yet again. oh what a prediction.
lcfc_jme Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 oh what a prediction. Cheers Trisha, didn't know you were psychic, s'good to know.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 oh what a prediction. Predict how many thai brides will fit in Robbie Neilson's suitcase. And why your at it, whats the score going to be on Saturday?
Leicester_Mad Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 that post by the Swansea fan was pretty spot on. Stubborn. If Dyer played well the team does...
Swanseajack Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 I really feel sorry for you lot being stuck with that arrogant asswipe. Perhaps you shouldn't have been so quick to rib that other Swansea fan who was just giving you lot the heads up on him though. The guy is clueless and doesn't have a clue about his team. There were so many things that baffled us about him and his actions. I know he took us to our highest league position in 27 years but my god was it boring! The guy claims to have great contacts but he just name drops! Also, to send dobbie on loan to Blackpool just says it all considering how he's playing this season! The guy has no man management skills whatsoever as I'm sure you can all see. I do feel sorry for you but thanks for taking him off our hands as it saved us sacking him! Best of luck for the future because if he is any part of it then you will need it! But at least the scruffy f***er cut his hair for you it's a start!
Finnegan Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Better late than never, for Alex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK7ci6UDBeQ
Babylon Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Perhaps you shouldn't have been so quick to rib that other Swansea fan who was just giving you lot the heads up on him though. Perhaps we only need one to do it rather than the 6753 we have per week. It's boring.
blueharmie Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 I really feel sorry for you lot being stuck with that arrogant asswipe. Perhaps you shouldn't have been so quick to rib that other Swansea fan who was just giving you lot the heads up on him though. The guy is clueless and doesn't have a clue about his team. There were so many things that baffled us about him and his actions. I know he took us to our highest league position in 27 years but my god was it boring! The guy claims to have great contacts but he just name drops! Also, to send dobbie on loan to Blackpool just says it all considering how he's playing this season! The guy has no man management skills whatsoever as I'm sure you can all see. I do feel sorry for you but thanks for taking him off our hands as it saved us sacking him! Best of luck for the future because if he is any part of it then you will need it! But at least the scruffy f***er cut his hair for you it's a start! as much as i hate wales, that post is spot on.
Finchy Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 I really feel sorry for you lot being stuck with that arrogant asswipe. Perhaps you shouldn't have been so quick to rib that other Swansea fan who was just giving you lot the heads up on him though. The guy is clueless and doesn't have a clue about his team. There were so many things that baffled us about him and his actions. I know he took us to our highest league position in 27 years but my god was it boring! The guy claims to have great contacts but he just name drops! Also, to send dobbie on loan to Blackpool just says it all considering how he's playing this season! The guy has no man management skills whatsoever as I'm sure you can all see. I do feel sorry for you but thanks for taking him off our hands as it saved us sacking him! Best of luck for the future because if he is any part of it then you will need it! But at least the scruffy f***er cut his hair for you it's a start! Woahhh hey now, Paulo Sousa is many things, but one thing he is not is a scruffy fooker!
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