cityfanlee23

For the first time in forever I purposely avoided the match, didn't watch it, didn't google the result, I actually forgot the game was on until just now so I'll just say, what an awful performance.

Are coaches allowed to work for both international and club teams though? Managers are and I can’t imagine international coaches have more work to do than a manager, surely he could work with us alongside his role?

Not disagreeing with your point but just to add Cags wasn’t in the squad until Smith, Shakey and Terry came in and we instantly improved. Defensively we are awful but confidence is also at rock bottom, we are bad but we aren’t this bad. I even said defensively we were massively flattered last season, whenever teams attacked us they looked dangerous, a mix of bad finishing and controlling possession flattered our defensive record for sure. Our defence could improve massively though, no doubt in my mind Moyesy would have improved us defensively and offensively, he apparantely didn’t want to come here in the end but i do think Ruud is not addressing the basics.

I’ve never seen a group of players who needed to hear this speech more in my life. Get him in. Id genuinely take him for the rest of the season right now.

Someone else commented earlier that Nigel had mentioned the importance of them scouting players characters, agree with that post from earlier, it looks like we have zero interest in player character anymore.

Massive bias for me on Rohl, but Urs is absolute priority if we can't get Danny.

To this day I still can't understand this, wouldn't spend £4m on Corberan, would spend £55m or whatever it was on players, most of which couldn't care less about the club.

12th and 6 points off the playoffs with a squad that were destined for league 1 and no money, 18 signings, 14 on free/loan deals and 5m spent on the other 4, Mckenna did an incredible job also. £5m is peanuts imo, £5m for a man who can change the entire ethos of a football club like for example Enzo did, compared to a £5m signing like Ayew. Managers are worth their weight in gold if they are done right, players are a far bigger waste of money in the modern football era when compared to a good manager, just look at Arne Slot, he cost Liverpool £10m, there are very few players who cost £10m and have made the impact Slot has, look at Pearson, worth far more than most of the players he signed. Honestly I don't get this idea that spending £5m on a manager is expensive when you see the absolute dross we've bought over the last few years, he's hardly unproven, he's far more proven than Enzo was and he's turned a league 1 club who were in crisis and have an owner who has constantly refused to pay wages, refused to repay loans, told the fans they need to find someone to buy him out etc. Rohl is one of the most exciting managers in the football pyramid.

It's hard to really tell what we will do next season because there are so many unknowns from players who haven't cut it in the prem, but don't want to be in the championship and may push for a move abroad, but I don't actually worry (too much) about us in the Championship even if the budget is tight, I've made a few assumptions here, but the core of this team is easily good enough for a playoff/automatic push. Assumptions made: Players Sold - Ndidi Ricardo (Both him and Ndidi don't deserve to be going down, Ricardo may be forced to stay after his injury though if his options are limited but assuming he leaves) Kristiansen Mads Winks (He won't want to drop down again, seems like a bit of an ego) Faes (please god) Ward Iversen (Vardy retires/leaves to USA) Stays: Fatawu (long injury and may not get the move he wants) Okoli (may be unlikely if he still has not settled, but if we can keep him he will tear up the championship) Optional game time: Jake Evans, Monga? Golding Signings needed: Striker Backup GK RB CM x2 CB if Okoli goes Possibly a CAM if Mcateer gets interest in summer again But there is every possibility players like Winks don't get a move either, and in that case we wouldn't need 2x CM's. Iv

Yep fully accept that, only bite the bullet if we can convince someone to walk, if not we might aswell wait until summer.

I'm going to annoy a few on here I'd expect as i've said it approx 378 times at this point, but my friend trio are lifelong Wednesday and Bournemouth fans, Danny is the man. £5m buyout, if you think LCFC is in a mess, wait until you see Wednesday, Danny Rohl would come here, maybe not now (although the lure of the prem would be massive) as he's a principled bloke it seems and he wants to keep going for the playoffs with Wednesday, but he's literally turned around a ship in far bigger crisis than we have been, and has spent basically nothing getting this League 1 squad from guaranteed relegation to playoff contenders. The job he's doing there is absolutely massive. This is the sort of manager every single fan should be behind. Heavy metal German football, tactically fluid, young and hungry manager that is on his way to the top, he would have our current squad top of the league in the championship, absolutely zero doubt.

The most frustrating part of Enzo ball was how slow it was for the majority of the game, Mads to Vestergard to Mavididi, backwards pass to Justin, Across the back 4 to Riccy, Onto the other wing with Fatawu, Pass back to Winks, sideways pass to KDH.... And fans wondered why teams just sat in a deep block against us. Fans spent months arguing that teams sat in a deep block because of how strong our team was, and just couldn't accept it was because we took 50+ passes to even attempt to get into the box giving opposition defenders weeks to plan. I saw on so many occasions the opponents players literally walking across the middle of the pitch to get into a new position because of how slow we were. The only time we actually looked good that season was in the early part of the season where teams didn't really know our system, then a snore fest where we collapsed and almost threw away a 14? 17? point lead, and then the final handful of games where we basically dropped Enzoball and went all out attack and looked exciting, but apparently that was also Enzoball? Massive thanks to Enzo for his job in turning the ship around, he really did turn around the feeling at the club from desperation to hope again, but i'd crawl over broken glass before having to watch that football again.

If we are accepting relegation now we might aswell bite the bullet and get in a new manager tomorrow and give him a few months to sound these charlatans out.

I've seen him mentioned a few times

No, my heart would love for him to go again, my head says if we go down we need to have our future striker sorted and play them week in week out, the last thing we need is Vardy keeping out a player who needs a good run in the Championship, getting promoted and our new striker isn't then ready for the step up because Vardy cut his game time in half.

So either we are making a massive error, and bringing in new coaching staff for a manager we will sack within a fortnight, or we are making a massive error by backing the manager who has given up on the idea of us actually scoring a goal and seems to have accepted relegation. I mean, new coaches may bring a new sense of enthusiasm if the players like them, but that's just wishful thinking. This should have happened the moment Ruud came in, now it seems too late to actually fix anything, or it's part of a longer term strategy to go down with Ruud and NOT come back up.

I remember this one which was a few weeks before it was confirmed, just look at that unity.

And that's precisely why so many are protesting amongst so many other issues. The foundation built by Vichai and Nige has been destroyed.

I agree, complete mismanagement from the board, however, I just can't understand why nobody else has come in, I very much doubt the board would have blocked Jap Staam coming in on a short-term contract to try to help us. It doesn't seem like Ruud cares about it, because either he accepted he couldn't bring anyone in when he took the job, or he was lied to and would have a big upper hand in any compensation should he leave, especially if they also lied about transfers. I can't think of any situation where the club would say no to bringing in someone like Stam for a few months on an emergency short deal, I think it's Ruud who doesn't want the help at this point.

Absolue Priority: Danny Rohl Urs Fischer (unlikely) Claude Puel (I'm genuinely serious, he's a builder and has an eye for players) Gamble: Marti Cifuentes (currently at QPR and has been slowly turning them around) Kasper Hjulmand Gary O'Neil (not sold on him, but I thought his wolves team looked quite unlucky through their bad run) Henrik Rydstrom Abel Ferreira

I keep saying this, and I will continue to. It's all good and well saying "No manager would keep this lot up" (this of course is probably nonsense) Even if we park this issue and accept relegation, please, someone tell me, what is Ruud doing right now to prove he is going to rebuild us in the championship and bring us up at the first time of asking? Systems take time, and foundations take time to build, but there HAS to be something that shows it can work long-term, under Pearson we were on a torrid run most of the season, but we were playing well for the majority of games and were losing to 1 mistake, we were actually in games and should have been nicking points, under Ruud we are down and out the moment we conceded, and we are getting absolutely hammered, we have absolutely zero defensive structure or grit, zero attacking awareness or movement. What is Ruud doing that is justifying so much defence for him? The team is awful, he's inherited 5+ years of mistakes, but what is HE doing that is actually showing any promise? What is the evidence that he can drop down to the championship and rebuild us on a VERY tight budget to build a team and foundation of play that can be promoted, and stay up?

Would take Puel right now. Would rip your arm off for him. Give him a rebuild.

I'm done tonight, these club, these players, this manager can all do one. Every single one of them can go.

Right now it will feel like an upgrade