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Anyhow, on this topic: IMO current atrocity justified by historical atrocity does nothing but guarantee future atrocity. No matter who is carrying it out and whatever the history may have been.

I doubt it too, but IMO dead is dead and anger at that death is what it is, regardless of whether it's that or an Israeli guided missile hitting a civilian area for whatever reason. There should be a distinction between intent and deed, but at the same time I can understand someone who has just witnessed the violent death of a loved one wouldn't see it that way.

Yes. Shows that despite all of our advances in other areas, we as a species seem to repeat atrocities again and again in this matter.

Because Cold War bullshit meant we had to pick a side, and seeing as the Americans and other "Western" powers picked that side, so the UK had to too. Apparently. Morality has zero place in high level geopolitics. And again, if you think that's disgusting and indicative of humans being the worst of themselves, you'd be right.

One word. A filthy one. Realpolitik. Edit: to expand on this, the big powers simply did it because it suited them geopolitically to do so. What's "right" for them was (and is) what they say it is. And if you think that's disgusting, then you'd be absolutely right.

Around 725,000, according to UN figures. So they certainly had and have a case regarding the betrayal.

British and French politicians agree to divide the area into separate spheres of influence for themselves a century ago, in what a lot of the Palestinian Arabs saw as a betrayal. In 1948(?) British, French and American powers agree for the creation of a new "Jewish" state under the powers of that previous agreement in the same area. A lot of the Arabic population again saw this as a betrayal, despite the obvious need for such a state to be established after the horror of the Holocaust. Since then, a combination of both parties wanting the entire region for themselves (geopolitics) and historical fvckery based on religious ideology have made it so that enough people on the two sides loathe each other that things like this happen, and keep happening.

Unfortunate for Japan, really. Looked mostly great going forward but their defence wasn't good enough. Do expect Wales to beat them, they do everything at least a little bit better than Argentina do.

Japans defence letting down their attack, sadly. Every time they pull it back they let Argentina in to score again.

Looks like they're going to have to do it again now. Argentina brutal coming forward.

Cracking game this so far.

Hoping Japan can do the business here.

Sadly so. As above, it is a massive failure of the UN Security Council that they cannot or will not prevent this kind of thing from happening. NB. Just for clarity, by "complete subjugation" I'm thinking where one side or the other has complete control, and the other side cannot fight at all and are functionally enslaved. That's clearly not the case here at the present time.

It has, and there's been some interesting points put forward about it too. I do still think that the logical conclusion that advocating for the death penalty is accepting the death of innocent people as a corollary is pretty clear and obvious, though.

Yeah, as others have mentioned, there's really only one of two ways this ends. Either with the complete extermination or subjugation of one side or the other, or the bigger powers that be actually show a modicum of responsibility, stop picking sides and use their strength to get the two sides to make peace, and enforce it. While dealing with the ideological differences that drive the thing in the first place. Of course, the status quo leading to the former is much easier for the big boys than the latter, and therefore more likely.

I think so. Trip is a trip and yellow is standard for that.

"A man once jumped from the top floor of a burning house in which many members of his family had already perished. He managed to save his life; but as he was falling he hit a person standing down below and broke that person’s legs and arms. The jumping man had no choice; yet to the man with the broken limbs he was the cause of his misfortune. If both behaved rationally, they would not become enemies. The man who escaped from the blazing house, having recovered, would have tried to help and console the other sufferer; and the latter might have realized that he was the victim of circumstances over which neither of them had control. But look what happens when these people behave irrationally. The injured man blames the other for his misery and swears to make him pay for it. The other, afraid of the crippled man’s revenge, insults him, kicks him, and beats him up whenever they meet. The kicked man again swears revenge and is again punched and punished. The bitter enmity, so fortuitous at first, hardens and comes to overshadow the whole existence of both men and to poison their minds."

The entire ideology that keeps them afloat.

Yeah @Finnegan I'll sort out the donation ASAP, Scotland have played out pretty much exactly as you predicted.

I simply cannot understand those who advocate for the death penalty when it is so obvious that innocent people will and do die as a result of it being part of any justice system, simply because the system we have is not and probably never will be perfect.

Well, that was an almighty mess.

Yeah, such teams often gas past 60 minutes. We'll see if that happens here.

Samoa certainly not going to die wondering.

Exactly this. The hardliners are in control in both cases and it shows. I'll be honest though, IMO it's not just the two regimes, it's the entire set of ideology that drives them both that needs the restart. Or better, consigning entirely to history.

Think it's been the case throughout history tbh, we just get to know about it more now because of the digital age.