dmayne7

You're definitely on the wind up now . Did you watch today? So many times he just backed off and let Justin make the decision (a player who needs all the help he can get at the moment).

Clearances made doesn't equal the best defender . He makes a least 1 massive error every game, sometimes more. And that doesn't have to be gifting the opposition a goal, it could also be that he's caught miles out of position, dives in when he shouldn't. The whole defence takes responsibility for how crap it's been (and the whole team because of how open we are) but as a defender, your job is to not make mistakes first and foremost. Faes always makes big errors and it's not like he's got the ability to completely dominant forwards for 90 mins either (which is pointless if you're then gifting up a huge chance). Don't think Okoli has been great but he's miles ahead of Faes. VK been poor, still much better. Even Justin who has been awful on the whole has still been less shite than Faes. Faes had a fantastic game against Bournemouth but that's been it. Otherwise he's been delivering 5/10 performances at best. Pretty much every goal that Justin has been at fault or blamed for, Faes has been involved in someway. I genuinely cannot fathom why anyone would think he's competent. He's only being picked because he's slightly less slow than Coast/Vestergaard and I wouldn't be surprised if it's also because he'll kick up a massive fuss if he gets dropped (speculation of course).

Nope. Terrible comparison as one has a tiny sample size. And in the case of Faes (player A), it would be more like 20 errors Vs other defenders, say Okoli (Player B) with 100ish clearances and 5 errors (random guess and something that compares against your 200). In that case, player B is clearly a better defender and that's without factoring in what else that might bring to the team.

Great point and yet another example where stats can be used to support any argument.

Well if you want to acknowledge that, then you have to acknowledge how many massive errors he makes every game. He is utterly abject.

You're not wrong but ultimately the responsibility falls to the board for leaving somebody so out of their depth, to take charge of the game. If they were competent we would never be in that situation. He did a cack job but it wasn't what he was employed to do so I think the level of abuse levelled at him is a bit embarrassing when I suspect the real target is still Cooper (for what he left us and the mood he created), and the board for above reasons.

I'm not disagreeing that changing to that system, a notoriously difficult one, isn't high risk. But we don't know if they've been working on that for weeks. We played it in pre season as well. It was absolutely crap and the biggest issue was that he made no changes at half time, just like Cooper. But the reason Cooper got sacked is because the performances had been utterly shambolic or did you think they've been good? So keeping things exactly the same would have been madness. That first 30 mins against Chelsea was the most passive I've seen in 25/30 years of supporting so I'm pretty sure if we'd been exactly the same in terms of setup, everyone would have lost their mind. Point is, this is a coach who probably never expected to manage a game and he's thrown in at the deep end. He tried something and it didn't come off. His failure to change it when it was clear it wasn't working will probably cost him his job. The fault lies completely with the board for failing to get Ruud in place in time and for also being in a position where one of Cooper's cronies had to take charge. Everyone is angry at that performance so he's the fall guy and I understand that. Ultimately what we're talking about is entirely subjective so whilst you might disagree with my opinion, it's quite literally impossible for me to be wrong.

Definitely this, although as cack as JJ has been, Choudhury at RB scares the **** out of me. He's the only player who's more casual than Faes and that's not what we need. Any vaguely competent right backs in the youth team? And Winks in for Wilf if he's fit.

And? I didn't say it wouldn't. It's just a weird thread to slag him off for changing the system and personnel when he would have been slagged off for keeping it the same. Let's be fair, it was utterly shite and still too close to what Cooper what did (so if the thread was how it was similar that would be fair enough, although damned if you do and damned if you don't)

I can see why they call you evil.

When you look at the Brentford players, Mbeumo is the only really quality player (Wissa maybe in that conversation), otherwise they just have a lot of decent players. But it shows what playing to a system you understand can do. They managed to look leagues ahead of us. Massively concerning how you turn all that round in such a short space of time.

Faes 😆

It's not, Faes has got that locked down.

Taking a touch there was so stupid.

He's comically bad. Problem with Okoli being injured is there's no way we'll go for a Coady and Vestergaard pairing.

That effort from Ayew

Unlikeable and absolutely cack. What a winning combo

No you probably don't but the style of play is exactly the same. Which do you want? Somebody sticking with the same approach as Cooper which has been diabolical or somebody to actually try something different?

Which then means we're starting with negative momentum and more pressure on RVN to get a result as one game is done the pisser

He's picking a pretty similar lineup to what Cooper has been doing? Change of shape but exactly the same style of play. It's only Coady and Thomas in who haven't really featured.

He's crap at the moment but even Cafu would be getting hammered in this system/structure. When Ricardo came in, we were being exposed in exactly the same way. Think it's compounded by having Faes next to him who's been even worse this season.

That's one all on Faes. He's 2 yards behind the other defenders who are pretty much in a line

Everyone in the team is culpable when it keeps happening. Even when Ricardo came in we still got pumped down that side. Structure of the team is crap

How?

He's being serious, so won't be long before he pisses off